Top intelligence analyst for Yorkshire police says 7/7 was false flag

[Kurkum]

Top police intelligence whistleblower is sacked for reporting to his seniors that 7/7 has the hallmarks of state terrorism.

"Tony Farrell had been employed for twelve years as ?Principle Intelligence Analyst? for South Yorkshire Police, 13th largest of the 44 police forces in the UK. His job involved producing a yearly ?Strategic Threat Assessment Matrix? to determine how the police force had to prioritise its activities.

Assessed ?threats? ranged from ASBOs (anti-social behaviour orders) to the terrorist threat presented by local mosques. Having a statistics degree, it was his job to translate the different ?strategic threats? into a ?matrix? of relative numerical weighted probabilities.

In 2010, one week before the 5th anniversary of 7/7, Tony (who had never previously doubted government versions of events) stumbled across ?9/11 Truth? material on the web. Like so many millions before him, he was shocked to the core by this experience. He quickly realised that there was a great mass of evidence relating to 9/11 kept hidden by the mainstream media. As a Christian, Tony consulted his church minister, who suggested that he consider, whether the same might be true for the London 7/7 bombings?

Something he had not suspected ?in his wildest dreams? then started to unfold. After reading much of the available but publicly-unreported witness statements and other evidence relating to 7/7, Tony found that he could only conclude that the official 7/7 narrative was ?a monstrous lie.? Instead of the official ?suicide bombers? narrative, which he and all of his colleagues had believed without question, he realized that the weight of evidence strongly points far more towards 7/7 being an event stage-managed by British intelligence than anything else."

Watch an interview with Tony Farrell and read the rest of the article:
www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/10/uk-police-intel-expert-government-not-islam-real-terror-threat/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=uk-police-intel-expert-government-not-islam-real-terror-threat

Here's a quick clip (4 minutes) from a recent Radio 4 program I heard, an interview with someone who's written a book about conspiracy theorists. He makes some interesting comments about why he thinks men become conspiracists, why it's mostly men, etc.

On eof the things I reckon conspiracy theorists most like is the inversion of their true status in life.

Generally no-marks, by adhreing to conspiracy theories they get to say they, uniquely, have seen the truth, are free from self-deception or gullibility, have secret knowledge, understand how the world truly works, etc etc. It is very similar to the way some religious cultists behave, when you think about it.

Cogito -- if you don't even know who Sibel Edmonds is, then what on earth are you doing commenting on this thread?

What on earth!!! What on earth!!!???? Bit hoity-toity aren't we today? LOL! Look up the word 'conversation' in the dictionary, perhaps?

Well, just tell her if it's so flipping important.

Don't bother. I looked up the name on the tinterweb... (so help me, I'll regret that) She was someone with embarrassing information on FBI and other US intelligence service cock-ups & cover-ups pre 9/11. Sadly, conspiracy theorists always interpret both of those failings as 'malicious intent

I do sometimes wonder, if someone thinks a complicated conspiracy is more likely than incompetence/mistake/coincidence, what their attitude in their daily life is to other people making mistakes. Not big mistakes, just the not-paying-attention variety, e.g. forgetting to put sugar in their tea/coffee; would it be taken as an attempt to comment upon/control their weight? Forgetting to record Torchwood, as I did last night something on TV as trying to stop them from seeing something that would add to their evidence about their pet conspiracy? Being late as a sign that you were "elsewhere" doing something nefarious?

It doesn't sound like much of a life to me .

Yes, I am hoity-toity when it comes to people flaunting their ignorance. If you know zilch, then keep it shut. Don't embarrass yourselves.

That radio 4 interview is great, especially the bit about how conspiracy theorists respond to criticisms by expanding their alleged conspiracy to include those criticisms.

As a Christian, Tony consulted his church minister, who suggested that he consider, whether the same might be true for the London 7/7 bombings?>>

So it was his minister's? idea?

Kurkum, I just phoned the ruler of the world and he said this is bullshit. I can give you his number if you like. :o

I have an elderly relative that is the conspiracy theorists' dream. Believes everything from Diana being murdered 'for going out with a pakistani' (her words) to the Da Vinci Code being 100% accurate. And yes, sadly, she does see every minor incident IRL as having suspicious hidden meanings. Being charitable, I call it 'eccentric' but I think the real problem is paranoia

I'd be interested in the minister's account of that particular conversation. I can imagine it would be somewhat different.

I am hoity-toity when it comes to people flaunting their ignorance
That's my slogan of the day.

Cogito the Diana thing is odd, because you have to believe that the Royal family are so rabidly racist they are prepared to act against their own interests in pursuit of that racist agenda. Diana was far more effectively neutered being left to run around with the Dodi Fayeds of this world and turn into mildly diverting Eurotrash than being dead and martyred. And if dating a Muslim was so bad, why wasn't she killed years earlier during her more serious relationship with Hasnat Khan?

Damn, I'm getting drawn in and taking it too seriously, aren't I? Off to read Private Eye to top up my rationality/scepticism levels.

"If you know zilch, then keep it shut"

So, on that basis, we won't be hearing any more from you, I trust....?

Do conspiracy theorists have too much scepticism (mistrust everything) or too little (completely gullible to bizarre ideas)?

I'm not so sure about gullible. However, I think they are hardwired to be sceptical and then go out of their way to look for anything that chimes with their suspicions, however bizarre it seems to everyone else. Evidence, supposition, coincidence, anecdote, rumour... if it can be bent to support the theory it is reclassified as 'proof'.

Conspiracy theorists aren't sceptical, they are gullible. Harmless if they keep it to other over-excited and like-minded souls, quite horrible if they start lambasting real people who are suffering, such as the McCanns. It's one thing to say 'ooh, David Kelly's death, there are things that look a bit odd', it's quite another to start upsetting his family.

I think it says in the Conspiracy Theorist's handbook that if you can't prove it is untrue then it must be true. (much the same as religion as it happens so it makes sense that this guy is both)

They don't seem to grasp the principle of looking for the simplest/most likely explanation first. If I hear a noise at my front door and there is an envelope on the floor addressed to me then I will assume for now that it was put there by the postman. A conspiracy theorist might think that this was a ruse to cover up the kidnapping of the postman and that masked men were infiltrating houses in the area and planting envelopes to make it seem like the postman had been.

I think I might start a thread on conspiracy and gender in the Feminism section.

Kurkum your posts are revealing something of a superiority complex...

Oh, please do start that thread. It fascinates me too.

Have a theory that those with a naturally paranoid bent have a (possibly rare for them)strong emotional reaction which they often deem an 'awakening' on reading a CT such as 9/11 Inside Job and find it hard to accept that others don't have the same sense of 'at last, I'm not alone, there are others like me, I'm not strange, I'm a who is not mad but special, accessing arcane knowledge and Truth'.

They have strong emotional involvement in defending this position on which their sense of self and self worth increasingly anchors, so they genuinely get upset, or sneery about 'sheeple' who just don't have the same response.

Because to accept that they are wrong means they are small and misguided instead of big and clever(er) than everyone else.

If you've spent most of your life feeling suspicious and like an outsider, then you find out that actually you are one of a special group of enlightened ones who know the Truth, you're not going to want to go back to where you wee before. You finally belong. That is something Truthers are invested in.

Plus it all makes complete sense to them, so they can't see why anyone else would wilfully remain unenlightened.

For the benefit of those few souls who genuinely wish to pull their heads out of the sand and open their eyes to some not pleasant truths.

Who is Sibel Edmonds?
Sibel Edmonds began working for the FBI as an interpreter shortly after 9/11. She became an extremely important whistleblower but the US government acted swiftly to gag her. She is subject to gagging orders to this day.

Edmonds revealed information about extraordinary corruption and criminal activity at the top levels of the US establishment. In this interview, she discusses top neocons preparing to carve up Iraq four months before 9/11.

"The monitoring of the Turks picked up contacts with Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle in the summer of 2001, four months before 9/11. They were discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country. The UK would take the south, the rest would go to the U.S. They were negotiating what Turkey required in exchange for allowing an attack from Turkish soil. The Turks were very supportive, but wanted a three-part division of Iraq to include their own occupation of the Kurdish region..."

You can read more here: Who's Afraid of Sibel Edmonds Interview in The American Conservative

Hello , hello I have my tinfoil hat on - I can't hear you......

It is quite scary in your world isn't it Kurk?

You really must stop.

Miffster - you are the voice of reason.

I give you wallace Stevens;

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