Rabbis call for extermination camps

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And this is nothing new. Watch this: .

Imagine the outrage if Christian bishops or Muslim imams demanded the mass death of Jews in concentration camps. So where is the outrage when leading rabbis call for death camps and genocide for the Palestinians?

I just wonder what the reaction would be if the Welsh produced a holy book which said their ancient gods entitled them to the entire land of England from which they'd been driven out centuries before by the Angles, Jutes, and Saxons. Would most people say, "Fine - you go and kick those Anglo Saxon descendants right out of their homes that they and their forebears have lived in for centuries and take the land back". After all, it's yours by "divine" right!

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Says a lot about the mentality of some in the IDF.

Apparently this design and others like it are quite popular with some troops

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www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm

Many orthodox Jews are against Zionism and the state of Isreal.

QB: I fully agree that many Jews loath Zionism and what the Israeli Government is doing and of course some ultra Orthodox don't even recognise the State's right to exist, given the Messiah has yet to appear.

However, what is becoming ever more alarming is that any voice of dissent or criticism either in or outside Israel is now being accused of treason or being a "self hating Jew". Anyone else who criticises is labelled "anti-Semitic", even though, with supreme irony, the Arabs are also a Semitic people and the Palestinian Arabs, given that they've remained in the region throughout history are probably more Semitic than many of the Israelis living around them.

I don't get all theis 'right to exist' bollocks. Israel has no more right to exist than the UK or Albania does. Nation states are just useful administritive fictions that are only useful as long as they serve the people in them.

They aren't magic belonging spells.

You might be interested in the history of what happened.

I just cannot fathom how it is right for one people to force another out of their homes and not to be criticised for it. Yet if it were to be reversed, they would talk of the new holocaust. You cannot justify this, no matter what.

Orthodox Jews lived peacefully alongside the arabs until the English messed up and the Americans saw the creation of the Isreali state as a way to stir up the middle east.

Perhaps if the uk, the states and other countries had been prepared to take more Jews before and after the war this situation could have been avoided.

Of course it wasn't fair and the Palestinians have every right to feel aggrieved but it's done now and better to look to the future and for both sides to try and find a compromise that they can both live with. Unless you think the Israelis should be completely driven out and the whole lot given back to the Palestinians or for the Israelis take the lot. What solution do you suggest?

JohannaM - don't understand your point about the IDF - your link showed nothing? I

Oh sorry - I tried it out and it seemed to work.

Maybe this one will be more effective!

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7960071.stm

Yes Its true, many orthodox Jews are against Zionism, and are called self loathing if they speak out against it. Honestly it is so sad to me that people who were once persecuted so badly, can turn and do the same unto others while many of thier own people argue against their actions. It would be good if a compromise could be reached but there is too much bad blood, too many feelings of anger. I think the land should be shared and reperations paid to the Palestinians to rebuild a state of their own. But the realities are far from simple. Also, maybe the Israelis should be made to limit thier military for a period of time as the Germans had to after the second world war.

Dunno, just throwing random suggestions out there, they prob aren't the best. Its a much trickier problem than can be solved on MN

The loons generally have trhe loudest voices.

Agree that the land originally allotted to the Palestinians should be given back and kick out those nutjob settlers. Reparations would be good. Wonder what the Palestinians would bring to the table other than a total ceasefire and a promise to live at peace with Israel - as with this deal they would be the ones to gain the most and giving little.

They Israelis will make no concessions military wise - especially with how things are kicking off in the middle east.

I think they need to give the Palestinians land that they can completely self Govern and help to build up their economy and create the infrastructure they need as long as the Palestinians are prepared to disarm all terrorists.

I agree that Isreal should deal with the Nutcase settlers. It must cost them a fortune just to try and keep them safe anyway.

Jerusalem, I think should become a neutral city controlled by elected Palestinians and Israelis or better still elected members from each faith.

I seem to have read somewhere that once the Israelis had made the Palestinians living in Israel to wear the equivalent of a yellow star. Fortunately the world outrage forced them to abandon that idea. There are Israelis and Palestinians that just want to live together and get on with a normal life. Sadly the people in power only want to increase their own power.
Personally I am fed up with the Israeli land grab. Don't steal the land and then say Oh they are firing rockets. Don't make it really difficult for people to get medical health and moan about rockets. Don't almost totally wipe out an area, use phosphorus bombs on schools, destroy olive groves, kill innocent people on ships in international waters and then complain about a handful of rockets.

Sure the Palestinians have a lot to answer for but then don't complain about the bombs as I seem to have read in my history book about a lot of British soldiers being bombed by Israelis.

Just look at the standard of living on either side of the border and you will see who has the dirty end of the stick.

I think what angers so many people is that Israel appears to be the only nation that is allowed to flagrantly ignore UN Resolutions.

[Perhaps my memory is failing but didn't we go to war because (allegedly) Saddam Hussein was also ignoring similar UN rulings? ]

Yet no one must condemn Israel for fear they'll either be labelled an anti-Semite or a self hating Jew. Armed to the teeth by the US the country is inviolate and it seems that Israel is the only country in the world that cannot be condemned for anything it does - no matter how heinous or illegal.

'cannot be condemned' - nearly everything I read about Israel condemns them and paints them in a negative light.

Also, 'handful of rockets' is a big deal if you live within their reach and are often targetted - how would you know it's a handful (how many is a handful)- they are not reported in the International press.

Oh come on!! The press regularly talks about Palestinian terrorists but we never hear about Israeli terrorism do we? At least not in the mainstream press.

Look at the way the Flotilla incident last May was reported?

It's become a rogue state - and until the US stops arming it (or better still sends it the bill for the last 40 years or so) it will continue to act with impunity. Too many people seem to regard it as "gallant little Israel" standing up to the aggression of the wicked Arabs. The constant playing on the Jewish holocaust is also a clever ruse to keep everyone else (a) feeling guilty and
(b) being loath to condemn Israel, whatever it does.

The OP is right - imagine if a group of other religious leaders had made similar comments about the Jews? Do a Google search on "Rabbis call for extermination camps". Nothing from any of the British or US Press. The silence is deafening!

Really? during the blitz they did of Gaza a few years ago, the overall feeling was, I thought against how far they went, the little boy shot when cowering with his father in Gaza was big news. Sharon muscling his way onto The Temple Mount. Same with the flotilla, any of the comments I read were against Israel's actions. I always get the impression that overall Israel is quite heavily criticised in the public opinion. I don't agree with many of their actions but I can sort of understand the mindset behind them and that's the problem that needs to be dealt with. Is till think overall that Israel shows more restraint (heavy and often unjust as it is) than their Arab neighbours would show towards them if they had the same position of power.

We also get nothing of what really went on in Iraq and what's going on in Afghanistan - where is the reporting of all the innocent men, women and children killed and wounded - and that's a lot close to home.

I read a lot about the condemnation of Israel in the press actually.

Israel is the only democracy in the region. That's why it's championed by the U.S. and because of a strong Jewish lobby in U.S. politics.

Not that I ever condone the outrageous actions by the Israeli government and military.

But I do feel that brutality is much in evidence on both sides.

These rabbis are nutters. Tiny number of nutters. And if you take them to represent the views of the Jewish people as a whole, then that makes you a nutter too. It's the equivalent of saying all muslims condoned 7/7 or 9/11.

It's ironic that Israel is run by a far right political agenda.

Apart from that the solution will never happen because both sides suffer the same religious mindset/zeal. Neither antagonist has moved on since the days of brimstone and thunder.

just read this and thought might be relevant here.

I am quite educated about this subject and I still do not understand how the successive US administrations can be kept on such a tight leash.

none of the muslims i know deny the holocaust.

#I do however think that in newham where i live it is strange that schools commemerate holocaust rememberance, but dont commemerate other genocides, when there is probably only 3 or 4 jewish people in the school, and a higher percentage of kosovans/bosnians, somalians, etc it is sort of giving the impression to the kids that this is important but what your parents lived through is not as important, and this history is more important then yours. these kids are part of the society so their history is now part of the identity of the society.

as for the op, are you really suprised by this?

Maybe the Holocaust we commemorate should just be one of many?

Should we remember the Russian/Vietnamese culls of the middle classes and educated?

In schools we should have our children taught about the wars we fought...not holocausts.