Rabbis call for extermination camps

[Kurkum]

imemc.org/article/60435

And this is nothing new. Watch this: .

Imagine the outrage if Christian bishops or Muslim imams demanded the mass death of Jews in concentration camps. So where is the outrage when leading rabbis call for death camps and genocide for the Palestinians?

I won't follow your links, it's absolutely disgusting. You don't have to "imagine" the outrage because it happened and apart from the nutty supremesists (who denied it happened) we all agreed it was deplorable.

Sooo - these rabbis feel that extermination camps (like the germans did to jewish people) are the way to go?

So I take it they have no problem with it when the germans did it, right? that was ok?

What a bloody fruitloop.

But there are insane people hiding in all religions. Judaism is no different.

I am quite sure that the vast majority of jewish people will be utterly, utterly horrified by this. Especially since it will remind them of the past and in many cases, personal loss.

I would have to read a more balanced article to form an opinion - that paper seems very biased towards the Palestinian side. ANYONE who calls for genocide will rightly by judged harshly by the majority of moderate, right thinking people. There are extremists everywhere.

"progaganda b*llocks"

No, no it's not.

There are extreme Rabbi's within Israel who genuinely do say that the Palestinians are the descendants of the Amalekites and that they therefore have a God given order for Genocide.

However the people who say this kind of thing are the extreme nutters and don't have a particularly high profile. They're not "leading rabbis" and that's why there's not much outrage about this, we don't hear about every extreme nutter in the Middle East, just the high profile ones.

And this isn't anything new, the extreme Rabbi's have been saying this for years. Go and have a look at this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Hess

badger - there are 'extreme nutters' everywhere that would like all sorts of outrageously bad things to happen to people they don't like but these people are minimal and thus these things are unlikely unless someone goes it alone ie a kid with a shot gun in an american school. the palestinians did bring to rein hammas who openly state they want jews wiped off the face of the earth, israeli's (other than the odd stupid rabbi in the back streets) would never say this, they wouldn't want this either having said that i am neutral int he israeli/palestinian situation but an observer from a distance. arab states (although not all) unite in their hate of jews, israel is an excuse. the same arab fanatics openly display they hatred of christians etc on the streets on the UK too, burning placards at any opportunity too displaying hate filled words such as kill the pope, ffs

I know quite a few Rabbis, I can assure you that the insane extremism is more roundly condemned by most rabbis and Jews than supported.

I am outraged that a minority of extremist rabbis are calling for this. don't presume all rabbis or all Jews are supportive of this rubbish

I am sure there are Palestinians and clerics who would call for mass extermination of Jews. extremism on both sides, within every religion in the world.

It doesnt surprise me at all I am afraid, I would hope it would never happen. I don't think it ever could, but I have been shocked by Israels actions in the past and so would never underestimate them again.

I dont think that all Jewish people share the views of the rabbis, or even all Israelis and I hope it remains that way.

i know lots of people who are israeli and if i were to ask them if they wanted this they would be speechless as what a terrible thing to ask them, what a stinking insult, if anyone wanted this it would be a minimal group of nutters. we have nutters here on a small scale ie right wing followers but none assumes that ALL british people have the same views as this minority

Lulumaan - i agree with you totally, they would do it in a blink of an eye, if they can martyr their own they certainly wouldn't turn down the chance to cook a few jews would they

"there are 'extreme nutters' everywhere that would like all sorts of outrageously bad things to happen to people they don't like but these people are minimal and thus these things are unlikely"

I agree completely, it's a handful of nutters and most people are not supportive of them.

However you called the article "progaganda b*llocks" and were very rude to Kurkum when the fact is that the article is quite probably true. That the article was published seems very possible given that there are a few people that really do believe in that sort of thing.

That those few people are an extreme, don't have support and are therefore unlikely to get their way doesn't make the article "propoganda b*llocks".

there is ALOT of propoganda blollocks that gets fed to the west straight out of that region to people such as yourself more than likely, alot of press in the west. that is what propoganda is, it feeds people information and guides their way of thinking to fit in with theirs to suit them. the op's posting headline pissed me off. i read it as a labelling of all israelis out to murder the palestinians, it left a bad taste in my mouth, that is how nazi germany started......

badger - i just reread op's opening thread having read yours and my initial thought was that yes, my calling the op a fucking twat was a bit over the top but then i read the op's post again. Their post was deliberately dramatic and written to make an impact and stated that these comments came from 'leading rabbis' thus giving out the impression that israeli's were behind this idea. their posting was deliberately written to fuel anti israel feeling.

"i read it as a labelling of all israelis out to murder the palestinians"

That's not how I read it and that's not what the article says.

The article simply says that a magazine has published an article calling the Palestinians Amalekites and talking about genocide.

The article also makes clear that it's a right wing group of rabbis behind it who disagree with the mainstream opinion of other rabbis. So in that way the article is actually surprisingly fair minded. They could have left that out to make it sound like the rabbis who believe that nonsense are closer to the mainstream.

But it didn't.

Something happened, it was reported on and a slightly wider context was explained.

I really don't see the problem or the need for abusive attacks.

"Their post was deliberately dramatic and written to make an impact and stated that these comments came from 'leading rabbis' thus giving out the impression that israeli's were behind this idea."

Actually that is a fair point.

There's more propaganda in that original post than there is in the story that it links to.

i responded in anger purely by the op's dramatic wording, i didn't get as far as clicking on any link, the op's wording pissed me off. i have already read far too much anti semetic arab literature over the years and assumed this was just more of the same from the website's headline when i did eventually click on the attached link

badger - i should have read the attached article and not read op's post as from what you said the attached links article was not so attacking. come to think of it, i thought arabs dismissed the holocaust as a mere fabrication.....

'i thought arabs dismissed the holocaust as a mere fabrication'

Do you think this now?

again, i have heard it said and read about it that (again, i think the more fanatical view) is that it never really took place. i met a teacher who had a childs parents complain that they didn't want their child to be taught this subject as it was untrue. I have seen placards held in the news/documentaries involving the more fanatical elements some reading about the holocaust being a lie. but i cannot imagine that most people could think this. what is there to gain, why would it be made up, it's not exactly something to be proud or brag about, something to show off about.

rhadegunde - here here

when you hate so much you can be drawn towards the extremists who create their own history, makes it easier to hate your enemy. Can't really blame them for wanting to believe the worst - so much hate and injustice. Each side pointing the finger at each other - feel like banging their heads together, telling them to behave and play nice.

To those of you who doubt that these are leading rabbis:

news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/870000/images/_870953_rabbiblair150.jpg

Rabbi Yosef meets Tony Blair (BBC)

www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3945494,00.html

Rabbi Yosef called for genocide

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'Rosen's article, which created a lot of noise in Israel, included the text of the ruling in the Torah: "Annihilate the Amalekites from the beginning to the end. Kill them and wrest them from their possessions. Show them no mercy. Kill continuously, one after the other. Leave no child, plant, or tree. Kill their beasts, from camels to donkeys." [...] Rosen does not hesitate to define the "Amalekites of this age" as the Palestinians.'

'The true outrage is that most of those authorised to issue Jewish religious opinions support the view of Rabbi Rosen, as confirmed by Haaretz newspaper. At the head of those supporting his opinion is Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, the leading religious authority in Israel's religious national current, and former chief Eastern rabbi for Israel. Rosen's opinion also has the support of Rabbi Dov Lior, president of the Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), and Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, the chief rabbi of Safed and a candidate for the post of chief rabbi of Israel. A number of political leaders in Israel have also shown enthusiasm for the opinion, including Ori Lubiansky, head of the Jerusalem municipality.'

Source: weekly.ahram.org.eg/2008/892/re72.htm