Great. Another baby dead as social services fuck up - WARNING, DISTRESSING

[ImFab]

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I can't bear to hear another story of a beautiful baby dead because his mother wasn't capable of caring for him and social services weren't up to the job. When will they learn?

Here.

yogi,you are opining on folk personality and job suitability and dredging up stuff you recall from other threads

its indiscreet
not appropriate
and quite high handed of you

so no dont divert by having go at me

and ease up on the cod psychology

you want to look a bit harder then.

You are correct that i pointed out that given your own posts detailing drink and drug misuse and the fact that you have lied and exagerated frequently on here that maybe you could do with some further therapy.

How nice of you to help MNHQ out. having given them two days of delete frenzy yo feel the need to yet again draw attention to yourself Supertheory.

i think you are proving all those people saying you do it for attention correct.

yawn

Er no it's you who is now drawing attention to all that crap.

And it wasn't me that caused that. i only posted to defend myself to the masses that piled in

but screw that shit

Back to the thread

cod psychology?

Would you like to point me to where i have mentioned anything from any previous threads?

I don't know the details of Fabs past. I am aware she has had a number of threads about her history but i can assure you i have read very few.

I base my opinions on knowing the job that Sw do and the fact that onlyyesterday Fab stated repeaedly that she would rather have been dead than gone through what she did.

amateure psychology maybe, but that would indicate to me that she is yet to be in an emotional postion to be dealing with serious cases of abuse.
I don't suppose there are many of us that are able to deal with that level of horror on a daily basis.
Which is why it annoys me when people are so quick to judge a SW for not owning a crystal ball.

i just cant stop thinking of that poor boy,he must have been screaming for his mother.sorry. probably tmi,but its all i can think.that poor poor little baby.

I agree with Yogi. Being a sw must be one of the toughest jobs out there. I only see a fraction of it in the court; I don't have to go to people's houses, be threatened, be actually hit, spat at etc, etc and then find out a baby died on YOUR watch and the Daily Mail is now doorstepping.

I don't see how op can get huffy about her past being 'used as a stick to beat her with' when she posts that she would rather have died as a child than go into care.

That is a really extreme and distressing thing to post and to feel and I agree that unless you had to a large extent grappled with those demons, social work would be a hard profession - as would any profession when you have to deal with the vulnerable and the hopeless day in and day out.

This is surely one of the few scenarios where "What about the menz?" is entirely appropriate.

The child had two parents. It is clear from the report that the father was well aware of the mother's incapacity (and if wasn't, then more fool him). Yet, I don't see anywhere that he sought custody. I'd like to see him included in the bulletpoints of people to be held responsible.

notjustapot - Idon'tbloodybelieve it made that very point about the men much earlier on, and it was not picked up on.

It is so sad that we just automatically assume that the fathers have no role in this case - remember that poor 7 year old who starved to death in Birmingham and her dad was all over the press complaining about SS? No one ever asked where he was, why he wasn't seeing her, why he wasn't taking some responsibility for his own child.

I have worked in front line child protection and here are the facts:

• They are frequently under staffed, and therefore case loads are very high.
• They are severely under funded, no money for respite, residential placements for children etc.
• There is a severe shortage of foster carers
• There is however money to pay for senior managers who sit behind desks and do christ knows what, except criticise front line staff, and add to the already ridiculous amounts of paperwork.

saying that I had an excellent manager who acted quickly in risk situations, and thankfully we didnt have any tradegies. However i will admit that the constant stress of this job made me very ill, and i got out after 18 months. should also add that i did not practice in England which i believe have added pressures of larger populations.

just thought i would add my tupence worth. Not saying there arent bad social workers, of course there are, but working conditions do make the job a million times more difficult. Also i had a wonderful childhood and have a good life, that did not prevent me from empathising with people and doing my job well.

I know that threads on here often take on a life of their own, but when discussing a case like this, it seems spectacularly bad taste to dredge up vendettas apropos of nothing. I can't see that yogi has done anything but address posts relevant to the OP, until randoms started sniping. Let's try to keep this on topic.

I think that ideally social workers should have more power to remove children from alcohol-abusing neglectful parents, but for that to ever work, we need to overhaul the care system so that we can be sure we aren't throwing children from the frying pan into the fire.

actually isnt up to you to decide whats on-topic.you see that's how discussion work.people opine.others agree or disagree.things go off at tangents.and some people erroneously think they can instruct a thread about how it should progress

Woolly - is it correct that another factor is the amount of data entry SWs have to do? I saw an astonishing stat around the time of the Laming report into Baby Peter that child protection SWs have to spend 80% of their time feeding computer systems. If true, no wonder they are missing signs of neglect and abuse.

I do hate this excuse that SS are damned if they do and damned if they don't, though. All anyone expects is that they do their job - protect children who are vulnerable and leave alone families that are fine. No-one excuses doctors who fuck up by saying 'oh, he might have removed the wrong kidney but if he hadn't operated everyone would have moaned about that...' do they?

I'm not dictating to anyone- it's up to them what they post. I am free to comment though that I think it's in poor taste on this occasion.

opining on personality and job suitability based on mn posts is also poor taste

not when the posts are partly discussing the idea of said poster taking up a specific role.

the subject was raised by the poster.

if you post something on a public forum you are surely inviting comment.

Indeed Beer.

maybe my first post was a little too blunt. For that i apologise.

But where SM gets the idea this is some weird grudge i dont know.

don't make things up never said it was "mean grudge".it was bit unkind

Imfab if you google the general social care council you will find all the info on training requirments there. Hope this helps

I don't expect anyone to agree with me, and tbh I don't really care, but the fact that I have struggled in the past does not make it a for gone conclusion that I wouldn't cope with being a SW. I am actually a very strong person when it comes to anything but myself. Just as I put myself last after my husband and children and how I have coped fine with a load of shit thrown my way with my children's health. I have made a decision now not to post anything at all about my past as it is apparent it can be used against one.

Thank you to every one who has helped with links and access course details.

Do you know what Fab, I'm actually inclined to agree with you. Sometimes these things really do make us stronger - almost unhurtable, we can't be touched because we have been there and survived the worst - it might stand you in really strong stead for this kind of work.

Anyway, good luck if you decide to do it.

I will drink to it.

Thanks Ingrid have for me.

I haven't checked out anything yet as my little one is off school poorly .

Sorry to hear that. Hope he/she is better soon.

imfab start a career thread about sw that might be fruitful

get useful links and support there

best foot in door is a 1:1 discussion with sw
and you know what sw come from varied backgrounds some of them have been to school of hard knocks too.and it doesnt make them at a disadvantage.

do take care and unfortunately you do need to be circumspect what you post online,mn is public and can be reproduced.dont stop posting,just take this as an eye-opener