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Shit, it's really kicking off in Egypt....

270 replies

headfairy · 28/01/2011 12:22

watching reuters footage coming in, they've got tear gas and the police are shooting protesters now. Bloody terrifying!

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MummieHunnie · 02/02/2011 13:17

The Yemenite President must have been getting concerned to do that? Wow!

Megglevache · 02/02/2011 13:19

And Mubarak has said he isn't standing in september although his son who's been groomed for the position is most likely his successor.

AbsDuCroissant · 02/02/2011 13:19

Yip - the writings on the wall.

I just don't understand the mentality of someone like Mubarak (or Mugabe for that matter) - he must be so deluded if he still thinks that being president is a good idea.

article on Saleh

Apparently though, there are tour operators offering discount holidays to Egypt. What a great time to go Hmm

Megglevache · 02/02/2011 13:21

Yes Abs I saw them in the travel agents today- how bizarre...

AbsDuCroissant · 02/02/2011 13:22

I wonder how the Saudis are feeling? Especially since they took in Ben Ali.

Very interesting article in Economist a couple of months ago about Saudi Arabia.

Megglevache · 02/02/2011 13:24

Likely to be stocking up on the Tenalady given that the oil there is scarse.

coughs peak oil

MmeLindt · 02/02/2011 13:25

I am really really pleased that we filled our oil tank at the beginning of the winter

LittleMissHissyFit · 02/02/2011 13:37

Chatter is that the National Petroleum Company were ordered to protest on behalf of the regime.

cnn Ben Wedermand is saying that his mobile and office number have been given out and he and his office are receiving calls all denouncing the pro-democracy demos and complaining about the coverage. Odd thing, many, many, many calls but all by women (who would not typically be able to take to the streets)

Also very interesting hypothesis about why the regime was allowed to stay/security in the region/no threat to neighbours.

Gist of it was as follows:

This peace process has been rumbling around for decades, time and time again the meetings are hosted in Egypt, facilitated by Egypt or arranged by Egypt. But no resolution is ever reached. Papers that have come into the possession of AJ recently allude to inexplicable delays by the opposing sides.

The idea was floated last night that he needed to look busy, to look helpful and the longer the situation continued, it strengthened the reason he was still in power, wielding almighty power over his citizens, abusing human rights, etc etc.

Not saying this is the case, but it certainly is not beyond the realms of possibility.

Meanwhile anyone that spoke out against the rights issues, would be branded terrorists and vanish/come to harm. Allegedly. Grin

duchesse · 02/02/2011 13:42

Does anybody else feel that the BBC is being very partisan in this tumult? Not the people on the ground, but the studio team. Am watching BBC24 and was shocked that they 1) interviewed a protester without also interviewing a pro-mubarak person and 2) allowed the protester to basically put out a call for more demonstrators on live international television. I feel that the forces of order are behaving extremely well, but are being slated for not intervening and really feel that world media are being manipulated not by peaceful revolutionaries but potentially by Muslim extremists. I think that the West (that's you Obama!) should be VERY wary of intervening on this one- Egypt could end up with a far far worse government after all this is over.

begonyabampot · 02/02/2011 13:50

worse government for who duchesse - the West or the Egyptian people?

duchesse · 02/02/2011 13:53

Do you really think an extremist Muslim government in a secular country like Egypt would be better for them? And 50% of the population in particular.

slim22 · 02/02/2011 13:54

its time you let them decide for themselves

MmeLindt · 02/02/2011 13:55

Agree, Slim that the West should not interfere. But I can see this getting nasty today.

slim22 · 02/02/2011 13:56

gobsmacked.

slim22 · 02/02/2011 13:57

what the hell do you care, what the hell have you cared so far?

MmeLindt · 02/02/2011 14:00

Slim
Is that addressed to me?

slim22 · 02/02/2011 14:02

of course not, to Duchesse

slim22 · 02/02/2011 14:03

tis as bad as it gets already, anarchy. if there was a transitory gvt, even led by the devil at least the country would be open for business

duchesse · 02/02/2011 14:04

slim- you seriously believe that the world media have a benign influence on what's going on? If the Egyptians want to change government, of course they should. But I think it ill-placed to get world leaders like Obama having words because of something he's seen on TV- he's only doing to address his own people's concerns.

duchesse · 02/02/2011 14:07

And the trouble with having media there is that a very misleading impression can be contrived of how many people are involved (think of "doughnutting" in parliament). I do not profess to understand something because I've seen it on 24 hour news. Of course the real situation is infinitely more complex but it's being distilled into news- worthy bullet-points. Reductionism is a very dangerous tactic in such situations imo.

duchesse · 02/02/2011 14:09

And can anyone remember the million+ people demonstrating on the streets of London almost exactly a decade ago? Nobody said we had anarchy then. If we'd been a bit rowdier maybe there would have been cause for more concern but it was just a demonstration. France has violent demos all the time but no-one says there's anarchy. Is it cos it is the Middle East?

slim22 · 02/02/2011 14:10

I posted a cartoon link earlier which was as dumbass as you could think...and was a bit ashamed of myself.
But you have just illustrated my point. Dumbass is all you will get from me in response to this.

duchesse · 02/02/2011 14:12

erm, hello? Are you insulting me?

slim22 · 02/02/2011 14:14

My dumbass answer to your half articulate argument. sorry, this is too close to home, am tired. Good night

EldritchCleavage · 02/02/2011 14:47

Reductionism is a very dangerous tactic in such situations imo.

I entirely agree. I am very wary of people like e.g. John Simpson who get parachuted in from London to opine, and are then broadcast in preference to correspondents who have been posted there for a while, or local journalists with far better contacts.

While BBC coverage is often very good, it is also often far too unqualified and a bit bullet-pointy.