Police Interfering With Democracy

[compfan]

Oldham By election BNP Candidate removed physically by police from a hustings debate so he could not take part. In the general election they came 4th in that seat. And we preach to other countries about democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????

UK POLICE STATE.

There was a hustings.

The BNP candidate was not invited.

The BNP candidate decided to attend anyway and stage a sit in at the table alongside the other candidates.

He was asked to leave.

He refused.

So the Police had to be called and he was removed.

So who was in the wrong?

The muppet who wasn't invited but thought he would turn up anyway and stage a sit in?

Or the Police who were called to remove a gatecrasher who had no right to be there?

And who hurt democracy more? The uninvited muppet who delayed the hustings or the police who remove the muppet and got things moving.

As if the BNP aren't amusing enough they've demonstrated before how they believe unwanted guests at political meetings should be treated:
www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/news/BNP-ejects-reporter-meeting/article-1835184-detail/article.html

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear....

Oh and it's worth pointing out that the hustings was organised by a community association who choose to invite 5 out of the 10 candidates who are standing.

4 out of the 5 who weren't invited understood what that meant and didn't try and stage a silly stunt.

The BNP don't quite seem to have got their head around the tricky and complex details of invites, maybe they weren't invited to many parties as children, and managed to blame the hall where the event was held rather than the organisers who actually did the inviting. They published the halls phone number on their web site and told their members to phone up and complain.

Thanks for that badger.

Just goes to show you that when you hear the full context, things often change.

uk police state? hahahahahahahahahahha

so the BNP candidate wasnt invited and the police were CALLED to remove him.

i see no problem here. so is this a good time to use the humphy smiley to the OP?

OP you really are an idiot. But well done for missing the point in quite so spectacular a fashion.

If we bung a few quid in the Police Benevolent Fund do we think they could be persuaded to remove all of Griffin's lot.... put them somewhere nicely far away where they can be white and supreme together?

So a small-minded idiot, who came such a distant fourth in the last election that he only just held on to his deposit, had a strop and decided that he was ENTITLED!!!??!?!?!? to sit in on a meeting he wasn't invited to and that the organisers had no obligation to invite him to?

And then, rather than making his point with style, grace and humour, decided that the best thing he should do is sit there like a toddler not wanting to go to nursery until the police had to be called?

Wow. What a hero of the revolution

I hope they throw the silly twat in the cells for a while for wasting police time.

(By the way compfan, if you're a BNP supporter, you'll probably need to look up the long words that have been used here in a dictionary. As I suspect you'll have very few if any books in your house, you'll be able to find a dictionary in the library. That'll be the big building you've never been in with the word LIBRARY outside.)

"I hope they throw the silly twat in the cells"

I hope that they don't.

When the BNP are out and about doing things you can pretty much guarantee they'll do or say something stupid and reveal themselves to be the idiots that they are. So you get candidates fighting people in the street, the comparison of rape to force feeding women chocolate cake and this idiot having a tantrum worth of a 2 year old and his supporters desperately trying to claim, in complete denial of the facts, that he was the victim.

If he were locked up and denied the opportunity to demonstrate the gross flaws in his character and intellect he might actually get a few more votes.

WOW is there is some real totalitarians on these boards.

My idea of a democratic hustings is all candidates are invited and the voters are allowed to ask questions then they can decide who to vote for.

You lot prefer the North Korea version where only 'approved' csndidates are invited and other candidates who try and participate in the democratic process are physically removed by the gestapo like police.

Gestapo-like? Now be a dear and look up 'hyperbole' in a dictionary....

North Korea, now that's a cuntry Nick Griffin would love the UK to follow.

"WOW is there is some real totalitarians on these boards."

"You lot prefer the North Korea version where only 'approved' csndidates are invited and other candidates who try and participate in the democratic process are physically removed by the gestapo like police."

That you have to come out with utter nonsense like that rather than try and defend what this idiot did makes it pretty clear that even you consider it indefensible. In order to dismiss our views and reactions it's necessary for you to construct an elaborate fantasy where we're all North Korean totalitarians. That's really rather revealing about your own confidence in your claims of there being a police state.

"My idea of a democratic hustings is all candidates are invited and the voters are allowed to ask questions then they can decide who to vote for."

You do understand that this was a hustings organised by a community group that had the right to choose who they wanted to attend?

You do understand that only half of the candidates standing were invited?

Unlike the other four who weren't invited the BNP candidate took it upon himself to go where he wasn't wanted and then tried to hold up the debate with his sulky childish foot stomping until the police had to be called.

The BNP candidate decided that he knew of no limits to his own power, didn't respect the decision making of the community group and then tried to twist what happened with his own rather silly propaganda. And isn't that kind of, well, totalitarian?

Personally I'm more than happy for the BNP to be in the spotlight, because when they are you're almost guaranteed that they'll score a spectacular own goal and jam their foot very firmly in their mouth.

However it wasn't my hustings and, unlike the BNP, I respect people's freedom to arrange their own political meetings as they see fit.

Personally I'm more than happy for the BNP to be in the spotlight, because when they are you're almost guaranteed that they'll score a spectacular own goal and jam their foot very firmly in their mouth.

Couldn't agree more.

"Personally I'm more than happy for the BNP to be in the spotlight, because when they are you're almost guaranteed that they'll score a spectacular own goal and jam their foot very firmly in their mouth."

Like this lovely own goal :)

A quick fact check as to what happened makes the candidate out to be acting as little more than a selfish and frustrated child.

At least the Monster Raving Loony party admit that they're out to make a joke of themselves :)

The BNP were probably thinking that they'd end up being expelled in the same way that they expel those that they don't want from their rallies and that they'd get a nice photo out of it:
www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00684/Dominic_Kennedy_684617a.jpg

Unfortunately they forget that the rest of the country has a bit more respect for the political process than they do and the best photo they could manage was this:
www.saddleworthnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/DSC_0029.jpg

D'oh!

Oh oh oh, can I cry Godwins Law please?

Is it honestly that hard to grasp that if someone isn't invited then it means they don't go?

compfan Are you also outraged on behalf of the other candidates who didn't get invited and didn't go?

As I say, in a democratic husting it should be standard to invite all candidates.

The BNP beat both UKIP and Greens in that seat last May, so have more democratic mandate in that seat than them but they were invited.

Clearly the organiser has the same twisted view of freedom of speech and democracy as some of the stepford wives on this thread.

compfan I would assume that seeing as there are other non-BNP candidates not invited, that there will be a later hustings where they will all get a chance.

If all candidates except the BNP candidate were invited then I'd get your point. But they weren't.

General Election 2010 result Oldham

Labour Phil Woolas 14,186

Liberal Democrat Elwyn Watkins 14,083
Conservative Kashif Ali 11,773

BNP Alwyn Stott 2,546
UKIP David Bentley 1,720

Christian Gulzar Nazir 212

Majority 103

Turnout 44,520 61.2

So on what basis other than the organisers own political prejudice were the BNP not invited? The greens were but didnt even stand in that seat last May as were UKIP who were beaten by the BNP. Why should he not be allowed to make his policies known to the voters like everyone else?

As for the other candidates this includes the Buss Pass Elvis Party & Monster Raving. Howeverm, they should have had an invite as well.

If that's your idea of a hustings then you are entirely free to organise such an event and to invite whomever you want. You're free to do this because, of course, we don't live in a police state and this isn't North Korea.

That's assuming that the BNP has enough money left to hire a hall, of course. How much did the BNP have to pay Unilever for sullying the good name of Marmite? And how much in other legal costs and cases it has lost? Hundreds of thousands, wasn't it? Good work.

BadgersPaws you're right. I was wrong. It's much better to let these brain-donors out because there's nothing that anyone else can do to them that generates more ridicule than what they do all by themselves.

"So on what basis other than the organisers own political prejudice were the BNP not invited? "

I think that the Delph Community Association didn't want to associate themselves with a party as offensive as the BNP. Call it political prejudice... I call it 'good taste' :)

Let's just quickly name the BNP candidate so that Google searches will bring this page up, Derek Adams, there you go.

And again for good measure Derek Adams, the BNP candidate for Oldham, Derek Adams, the childish foot stomper who when not invited to the party decided to gate crash it, Derek Adams, the man who does not respect the decisions of people to invite who they want to invite.

"Clearly the organiser has the same twisted view of freedom of speech and democracy as some of the stepford wives on this thread."

I presume that you don't mean me? I'm more than happy for the BNP to be given some spotlight time, I'm delighted in fact for them to get some attention. Because whenever they do, as I've said above, something delightful like this happens.

"So on what basis other than the organisers own political prejudice were the BNP not invited?"

Well that's up to the organisers. They don't need to explain themselves, in this free country they can invite who they want to the meeting.

However that's not good enough for the BNP, respecting the free choices of the electorate of Oldham isn't high on their agenda.

However by not respecting it and in attempting to trample their choices into the ground they've just succeeded in making themselves look like the childish idiots that many suspect them to be.

"BadgersPaws you're right. I was wrong. It's much better to let these brain-donors out because there's nothing that anyone else can do to them that generates more ridicule than what they do all by themselves."

I know, it's great isn't it :)

We've gone from claims of a Police State to the grisly reality that the BNP just don't respect peoples' right to choose.

And the first response to the truth about what happened was to label people North Korean loving totalitarians.

This sort of thing does more damage to the BNP than a thousand anti-fascist demonstrations ever could.

A part of me suspects that compfan is a double agent who is secretly really rather please that they've managed to make the BNP look like a complete bunch of numpties :)

BadgersPaw

I think the over 381 comments on the video on youtube indicate that it is far from an 'own goal'

Seems your a bit out of step with public opinion! Most people don't want to be told what to think or who to vote for.

"So on what basis other than the organisers own political prejudice were the BNP not invited? "

I think that the Delph Community Association didn't want to associate themselves with a party as offensive as the BNP. Call it political prejudice... I call it 'good taste'

I wouldn't exactly call inviting Labour good taste considering they have killed tens of thousands of innocent iraqi civillains in the last 8 years. How these people think they have the moral high ground i dont know.

Let's just back away and think for a moment what the BNP thinks actually went wrong and what it thinks should have happened.

We have a community group who arrange a hustings and invite half of the candidates. All of the uninvited candidates except one accept this. The one who doesn't accept this, Derek Adams, decides that he's going to attend anyway. He takes a seat at the top of the table and refuses to move delaying the start of the meeting. The organisers eventually call the police and ask them to remove the uninvited guest, which they duly do.

So what's wrong with that and more interestingly what should have changed?

Did the BNP want the police to ignore the phone call from the organisers?

Did the BNP want the police to walk away and not resolve the problem after they attended?

Do the BNP want to take away your right to call a meeting and choose who you want to attend?

Do the BNP want the right to dictate to you who should attend a political meeting that you organise and arrange on private property?

Do the BNP want the right to be exempt from the law about being asked to leave private property?

Do the BNP want the Police to ignore the law when it comes to their activities?

And finally what part of all of this makes us a "Police State"?

"I think the over 381 comments on the video on youtube indicate that it is far from an 'own goal'"

It's a massive own goal when people begin to look into the story behind the video and come to understand that what they're watching is basically a child's tantrum. It's certainly not about a police state, it's not even a nanny state, well that is unless it's someone's nanny who's decided that it's time for a naughty child to go to bed. In that situation you might see a very similar response from the child as we saw from Derek Adams.

It's a massive own goal when people start to post this video and have to support it with lies about the police interfering with democracy rather than the truth about them removing, upon request, an uninvited person who was delaying a democratic debate. If an argument has to be supported by lies, hyperbole and fantasies then it's not really much of an argument.

It's also a massive own goal when a defender of this very silly politician has to resort to labelling his critics as North Korean sympathisers and totalitarians rather than admit that they were wrong in giving the impression of the police interfering with democracy and actually answer the critics of what this fool got up to.

"Most people don't want to be told what to think or who to vote for."

Most people also don't want to be told that they don't have the right to choose who they want to speak at a hustings.

"I wouldn't exactly call inviting Labour good taste considering they have killed tens of thousands of innocent iraqi civillains in the last 8 years. "

Well thankfully we live in a free democracy and if people choose to not invite the Labour candidate because of that then they have every right to do so. Well that is unless the BNP get their way and that right is taken away.