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Police Interfering With Democracy

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compfan · 10/01/2011 11:44

Oldham By election BNP Candidate removed physically by police from a hustings debate so he could not take part. In the general election they came 4th in that seat. And we preach to other countries about democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????

UK POLICE STATE.

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compfan · 10/01/2011 20:31

I imagine the BNP or any political group would like to be able to put their policies over to the electorate in a free and fair manner.

Do you know what happens in countries where political groups are removed from husting by police, where ballot boxes are tampered with etc. They usually descend into some form of civil war.

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KalokiMallow · 10/01/2011 20:36

compfan Has anyone stopped the BNP talking? Or just not invited them to a hustings in which all candidates weren't invited anyway?

Snorbs · 10/01/2011 20:37

Do you know what happens in countries where people can barge into private meetings and the police are powerless or uninterested in getting involved? You get anarchy.

Or can I barge my way into a BNP meeting as and when I like and sit at the table without getting a bunch of thugs violently dragging me out as happened to Dominic Kennedy?

BadgersPaws · 10/01/2011 20:37

"I imagine the BNP or any political group would like to be able to put their policies over to the electorate in a free and fair manner. "

Well they can and I'm fully in favour of that, because as said when they get the chance to they invariably end up looking like fools. That they choose to stoop to levels like this and try and make out that a Derek Adams' childish tantrum and subsequent ejection from privately arranged hustings to which had not been invited is the sign of the death of democracy speaks volumes about their faith in their own policies.

"Do you know what happens in countries where political groups are removed from husting by police, where ballot boxes are tampered with etc."

Well once again I'll ask what exactly should have happened? What exactly should the police have done? And why should people loose the right to invite whomever they want to speak at a meeting?

Chil1234 · 10/01/2011 20:47

Helpful hustings tip..... Your man in Oldham is quite at liberty to take a leaf out of Jack Straw's book & stand on a soap-box in the town centre with a megaphone spouting his rubbish to anyone who'll listen. I think he'd get a much bigger audience, he'd have the entire stage to himself and, unless they start throwing rotten fruit, the 'gestapo' police would probably give him a very wide berth :)

BadgersPaws · 10/01/2011 20:52

"Your man in Oldham is quite at liberty to take a leaf out of Jack Straw's book & stand on a soap-box in the town centre with a megaphone spouting his rubbish to anyone who'll listen"

But that might mean actually engaging in a debate and having to explain his opinions and policies.

Why do that when it's much easier to stage a sulky tantrum, delay the ability of others to debate and pretend that it's all about the death of democracy rather than a gatecrasher being moved on?

Personally I'd love to see the BNP actually try and have a proper debate, but that's not the sort of thing that they're interested in, and you can see why.

Chil1234 · 10/01/2011 21:05

I remember seeing Griffin trying to engage in a proper debate on QT and it was remarkable. Like some rambling stream of consciousness from a low-budget performance artist that had once seen an episode of Alf Garnett but hadn't quite got the joke...

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compfan · 10/01/2011 22:16

BNP Candidate explains what happened;

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compfan · 10/01/2011 22:17

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ThatVikRinA22 · 10/01/2011 22:27

www.dowegiveafuck.com

jkklpu · 10/01/2011 22:39

Having a "ticket" to watch the hustings is not quite the same thing as having an invitation from the organisers to participate, is it, though, Compfan?

As Badger - demonstrating saintlike patience - has explained several times, a mtg organiser can invite whichever candidates they choose.

I wonder if Mr Adams' parents' ambition for him when he was a boy was that he grow up to be "a credit to the nationalist cause".

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compfan · 10/01/2011 22:47

As he explains the sign said question the candidates......

HE IS A CANDIDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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KalokiMallow · 10/01/2011 22:49

It didn't say all the candidates though.

BadgersPaws · 10/01/2011 23:00

"BNP Candidate explains what happened;"

Oh dear....

This was released today, I think the penny has dropped that this isn't coming over so much as "the death of democracy" but "silly childish tantrum" and now he's trying to limit the damage from yet another wonderful own goal.

And he still can't explain why he thinks that having a ticket means he can sit on the top table (he must be a nightmare at Weddings), why he thinks he can ignore the opinions and rights of the organisers and which laws he thinks that he should be exempt from so that he can get his own way.

Oh and there's a moment when he tells a bit of a lie too, well at least one, and he says that all the other candidates were at the hustings. So he still has to lie to try and defend himself.

I certainly agree that he's a credit to the party, keep thumping in those own goals and the BNP will never amount to anything :)

BadgersPaws · 10/01/2011 23:03

"As he explains the sign said question the candidates......"

So that means that he can gatecrash the top table, ignore the wishes of the organisers and delay a democratic debate?

Still I'm glad he did what he did, as I've said when put in the spotlight the BNP normally mess it up in spectacular fashion.

ThatVikRinA22 · 10/01/2011 23:07

ok...as a police officer and in the spirit of fairness i watched the link

i love the fact that 9 people liked it and 0 didnt! own goal anyone?

badgers you really do have the patience of a saint...i however do not, but then again im a horrible nasty fascist police officer arent i....sorry i forgot.

BadgersPaws · 10/01/2011 23:17

"badgers you really do have the patience of a saint'

Well engaging with them is genuinely the best way of dealing with the BNP, it de-mystifies them and shows them up the be the buffoons that they are.

Plus I'm still hoping that I might get a response from the OP on exactly what went wrong, what should have happened and what the police should have done.

Niceguy2 · 10/01/2011 23:33

I'm an immigrant. Ok I've been here since I was 2 but technically I am an immigrant and certainly not of "white" descent.

So in theory I'd have the most to fear and the most to lose from the rise of the BNP.

But you know what? I'd fight to the death to defend their right to free speech and to stand in a fair election.

A while back when there was a huge outcry on Nicky G going on Question Time, I was very vocal in saying that he should!

I laughed my socks off when he showed himself up to be the baffoon everyone thought he was. All he needed to do was keep his gob shut and let everyone attack him then get the sympathy vote. Instead he opened his mouth and the world suddenly realised that he was indeed nutty.

But my "support" for the BNP goes as far as ensuring they get the same chances as everyone else and abide by the same laws as everyone else.

So it doesn't matter if the BNP candidate thinks he should have been invited....he wasn't.

I've been to many countries in my travels and seen a lot of things. I can see many places where the UK is/has gone wrong. But I tell you one thing. The fight against racism is something the UK people should be rightly proud of. I can't think of any other country I've been to where people of so many ethnic backgrounds co-exist in peace. It's not perfect, hell the world isn't. But by and large we've got it right.

So compfan. Please feel free to keep posting about what an injustice the BNP face. Because the more you talk, the more stupid you reveal yourselves as.

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compfan · 10/01/2011 23:35

The video has 68 LIKES and 5 DISLIKES it now has 451 comments, the majority in support of the BNP's right to take part in a hustins for the election.

OWN GOAL

As for Vicar in a tutu yeah in case your interested the police are extremely unpopular these days. Even a ex chief policeman was in the papers yesterday saying you are starting to resemble Blackshirts
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345139/Met-chief-Sir-Paul-Stephenson-attacks-rise-police-black-shirts.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Look at the comments even the 'respectable' middle classes who were always the police's biggest supporters are thinking your becoming sinister. Your dowegiveafuck.com answer says everything.

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KalokiMallow · 10/01/2011 23:40

compfan Do you honestly rate number of youtube comments as something important?

It was an invite only hustings. It was not vitally important that he attend. He was not singled out to not attend. And when he sulked like a child, he was removed.

What exactly is your problem?

ThatVikRinA22 · 10/01/2011 23:42

daily mail?

im working class so i guess that explains it.
you know ive never know the police were unpopular...i thought id joined just to be loved....im all upset now.

BadgersPaws · 10/01/2011 23:43

"The video has 68 LIKES and 5 DISLIKES it now has 451 comments, the majority in support of the BNP's right to take part in a hustins for the election."

If the video spoke for itself then Derek Adams wouldn't have needed to then do a sequel where he tries to explain it some more.

I genuinely do support the BNPs right to take part in a hustings, as long as they're invited by the organiser because I also support the rights of people to invite who they want to a meeting.

"OWN GOAL"

Yup and Derek Adams has to keep on lying to try and save his own face, all the other candidates were there were they?

And once again I ask what should have happened?

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compfan · 10/01/2011 23:48

What should have happened?? Well, if I was the organiser I would have said 'Oh you're a candidate, please do take a seat and give an answer to the audience for each question. I want my hustings to be impartial and help voters make an informed choice as to who they think would be best to represent the area. We do live in a democracy after all.'

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KalokiMallow · 10/01/2011 23:54

compfan Do you think it is ok to barge into an event with no invite and then refuse to leave?

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compfan · 10/01/2011 23:55

So can you explain PC Tutu how the police rush to remove a candidate from a hustings, but this far left thug throwing darts at a BNP press conference outside the house of commons in front of cameras doesn't get arrested?

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