IAN HUTLEY HAS BEEN GIVEN A MINIMUM OF ______40 YEARS

[RTKangaMummy]

JUST ANNOUNCED SO NO DETAILS YET

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At least he's been sentenced to this amount of time.
We signed away our rights re the death penatly and therefore the death penalty will not be returned.

Would just like to add one more thing:-

Practically everyone remembers the names of James Bulger's killers and rightly so but these two are not the only child murderers of children. Who remembers Mary Bell?. You haven't heard of her?. She murdered two children and she and her daughter now have complete anonymity. Its not the only time that anonymity in such cases has been granted.

exactomundo, tortoise
i also read he had barricaded himself in the house and boarded up all groun floor windows, and would lie in wait allnight with his shotgun ready to shoot any intruders.
OK, burglary must be awful, but he was much more of a danger to society in my view

j bulger's killers also benefit from new identities now though, don't they?

Haven't read the whole thread but I believe that in cold blooded, pre-meditated murder it should be a life for a life.

anyone who harms a child should be shot.

TM - isolated & frightened yes, but not as isolated & frightened as a teenager bleeding to death from a gunshot wound (even if he is a burglar, he is still a human being and it demeans humanity to treat him otherwise)

Another thing that just came back to me - he was very biased against gypsies (telling neighbours that Hitler had the right idea with them) and the boy who was killed was a gypsy.

I remember disussing the TM case with a colleague and she said the teenager who died should have been hanged because he was trespassing/attempting burglary. I remember feeling v. shocked at her comment, not least because she herself had a 17 year old son. There but for the grace of God....

I don't mean to diminish the horror of being burgled repeatedly at all, as jomjams and others have made clear how distressing it is to be victim of that - but TM's crime was much worse and he was treated as some king of hero in some quarters, that's what I found most worrying.

Tony Martin was well known to the police long before that shooting. He had threatened walkers/ ramblers etc, been racially abusive to groups of gipsies, travellers ( nowhere near his property) and also been involved in violent disputes with people who he deemed to be trespassing on his property but who actually weren't.
Granted the youths in the shooting were also known 'crims' and were trespassing but shooting a kid in the back?
As for Huntley - surely 40 years and a lifetime of being attacked by other prisoners is enough. Or shall we set up public executions like Saudi and throw stones too?

were the sentences really added on - they often run together so he'd serve just 20 years?

The thing that irritates me most about the criminal justice system is that time served on remand counts in full against your sentence. But remand prisoners can't be made to work and have many privileges - so its not the same as after conviction.

Prison isn't exactly cushy but you don't have to worry about a roof over your head, where your next meal is coming from, the heating bill or any ther debt except ciggies to the other prisoners. You get your clothes washed and these days they are even your own clothes. You get a choice of food and the comfort of your religion (and most prisoners soon aquire one as you can ask for a different diet). Of course you aren't mixing with very nice people and sometimes they can throw boiling water at you if you're a child killer but at least you aren't dead.

I would hate prison personally but a lot of prisoners find it a pretty easy life.

"Threads like these really depress me tbh. This man was given a trial, found guilty and will spend the rest of his life in prison. What more does anyone want?"

Aloha - once again you put it so much better than me

"I would hate prison personally but a lot of prisoners find it a pretty easy life."

• hmm any prisoner officers here?? Certianly friends of mine who do voluntary work in the local prison haven't said that any of the prisoners find it an 'easy life'.

"Threads like these really depress me tbh. This man was given a trial, found guilty and will spend the rest of his life in prison. What more does anyone want?"

how about this:

what we want is a reassessment, and bringing back the death penalty for cold-blooded murder.

Oh I so don't want the death penalty back. If killing is wrong, it's wrong.

"what we want is a reassessment, and bringing back the death penalty for cold-blooded murder."

But does it work??? America, among many other countries, still imposes the death sentence - yet vilent crimes are still on the increase!

Doesn't a death penalty make murderers out of juries, judges, politicians and executioners? If I was on a jury and knew that the person was likely to be executed if convicted that would weigh so strongly on my mind - I bet it would make it more difficult to convict on this sort of case. So more murderers would get off. And if I was on a jury, did convict and the person was executed, I would feel that I personally had killed someone, because I could have saved a life but didn't. No matter what someone has done I just don't think it is our decision to take life from anyone.

couldn't agree more

I agree tony martin was not a hero, I agree he was unstable- Im just not entirely sure that he should have been jailed (although I'm not entirely sure what the alternative would have been) and my sympathy for the shot man is non-existent. And as for the other one trying to get compensation? No no no.

No to the death penalty- it's barbaric

The death penalty hasn't doesn't work in America because

i) the death penalty has been handed over too many times without a real establishment of guilt, ii) the society condones violence,
iii) the police violence against poor blacks has made them lose hope

Jury and Judges handing over the death penalty do not become murderers; they are dispensers of justice, provided effort has really been made to establish guilt.

But if I were judge or jury I would feel like a murderer, therefore it would affect my judgement. We don't have any choice about sitting on juries.

so if doesn't work there (and in other countries in the world) what makes you think it would work here??

what makes anything work

You have to analyse why something hasn't worked, and then eliminate the reasons for it.

The British society is far more just and far less violence happy than the US, hence if, and I repeat if, effort is taken to ensure that lynching or handing out sentences without proper establishment of guilt, the penalty will work.

Cold blooded murder just shouldn't be allowed without the consequence of one's own loss of life.

I think torture should be brought back for extreme sickos like this,I'm afraid. I just don't agree with the death penality, as think it is letting the person off lightly and I don't think prison is a good enough punishment when you read of the benefits they get inside.

I wish he could be stretched on a rack..............!

Will opt out of this arguement now for fear of reprisal!

Well, it's an old chestnut BUT - what do we do when we subsequently find we've executed an innocent man or woman?

Miscarriages of justice are, sadly, relatively common in this country. Think of Sally Clark - a very recent example. I find it hard enough to bear that on top of losing two of her babies, she then spent several years in prison. It would be unbearable if she had lost her life.