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IAN HUTLEY HAS BEEN GIVEN A MINIMUM OF ______40 YEARS

152 replies

RTKangaMummy · 29/09/2005 10:52

JUST ANNOUNCED SO NO DETAILS YET

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NomDePlume · 29/09/2005 13:14

Sorry, but the burglar took the risk when he trespassed on PRIVATE property. If he hadn't have been there, he wouldn't have been shot. End of.

LOLcod · 29/09/2005 13:15

lol at ndp in her sakia impersonation

bundle · 29/09/2005 13:15

reasonable force anyone?

expatinscotland · 29/09/2005 13:16

Saskia from Big Bro, innit?

NomDePlume · 29/09/2005 13:17

I don't watch Big Brother...

teeavee · 29/09/2005 13:18

I always think that if my ds ever goes 'off the rails' when he's 16 and ends up going out to burgle a property with undesirable friends, God Forbid (but who can know for sure), I hope to God there's no Tony Martin waiting at the top of the stairs in the midlle of the night with shotgun cocked, intent on murder!

Jimjams · 29/09/2005 13:22

And if he hadn't been trying to burgle someone else's house he wouldn't have been shot. Of course TM shouldn't have killed him, and yes he was unstable (although many have suggested that that was because he was burgled so many times). My sympathy is someone limited (read non-existent). Burglary is horrible. horrible, horrible. Unfortunately it is very hard to get a conviction for burglary short of someone tackling them and stopping them on their property. If someone gets shot, well I'll save my sympathy for the properly innocent caught up in drive by shooting, or who have had hear attacks when faced by burglars.

teeavee · 29/09/2005 13:24

burglary is horrible - but being killed is...

bundle · 29/09/2005 13:24

jimjams reasonable force?

Jimjams · 29/09/2005 13:34

bundle I think the problem with reasonable force is that if you have been burgled time and time again then wanting to stop someone can lead you to being very unreasonable. In the heat of the moment (dark, little shits in your house yet again).

I lived in an area where being burgled was a routine part of life. And they were innocent little boys whowere up to high jinks. They were teenagers who carried knives (and left them in the bedrooms). I doubt they would have hesitated to use them, they were sharp enough.

I don;t agree with like for like. I think 40 years for Ian Huntley is fair enough, it's a reasonable sentence, I don't agree with the death penalty. But if someone gets shot burgling someone else, well what goes around comes around. I'll not waste any sympathy on him. I don't think that Tony Martin is some sort of freedom fighter hero with the greater good on his side. But I think he was driven to the position he ended up in because of the number of times he had been burgled and frustration at not ever getting anywhere.

We knew who burlged our house- we found some of the stuff on sale in town, so got some stuff back, they were done for handling and got fined (big wow- despite the fact they were going through the house with a knife). And they came back and tried to break in again, at which stage our landlord and a few mates had "words", (and it was just words), we weren't burgled again, although a friend was, 3 days after moving in.

Jimjams · 29/09/2005 13:35

sorry were not innocent little boys- they were 16, 17 year olds who were breaking and entering to feed drug habits.

Jimjams · 29/09/2005 13:38

BTW what happened to the burglar who was wounded by Tony Martin. Last I heard he was suing him for compensation for loss of earnings (!!!) Does anyone know what happened there? Even if you think Tony Martin was a dangerous vigilante you have to admit that that is a mockery.

teeavee · 29/09/2005 13:40

Hadn't heard that, Jimjams! Is it true, or is it Daily mail, i'm wondering?

aloha · 29/09/2005 13:40

I am fiercely against the death penalty and have fairly 'liberal' views on prison policy but I have to say I largely agree with Jimjams. I think it is blase in the extreme to paint this strange, isolated, frightened man as a cold-blooded murderer who was out to kill for kicks. How was he to know they weren't going to kill him? Some burglars do kill people, esp ones on drugs. They lock old people in cupboards and leave them to die slowly. They stab and shoot. If I lived alone miles from anywhere and young, fit drug addicts were in my house at dead of night and I had a gun, I really couldn't say that I wouldn't shoot. He'd been burgled many times before. The boy was young and yes, it would have been better if he hadn't died, but he was playing a very, very dangerous game.

teeavee · 29/09/2005 13:42

Don't want uk to become like us though, gun culture, defending property over and above human lives, that's all

teeavee · 29/09/2005 13:42

for us read USA

sparklymieow · 29/09/2005 13:52

I'm confused, I thought he was sentanced when he was found guilty!

teeavee · 29/09/2005 13:53

I think the minimum length of the sentence hadn't been determined until now....?

sparklymieow · 29/09/2005 13:56

wasn't he given 50 years in total but they are now saying he has to serve at least 40, is that right???

peacedove · 29/09/2005 14:00

murder of schoolgirls, and the man who did it wasn't a mental case!

IMO he deserves the death penalty, and the criminals do not deserve Grade I while the NHS patients get Grade II.

I agree that society needs to look at itself and reform not just the sentencing but a lot more.

Burglaries are simply not comparable to murder of children. Violation of private property leading to killing - that is incredible. Why is burglary difficult to prove?

tiredemma · 29/09/2005 14:00

Sparkley- up until the day after Ian huntley was found guilty, it was the decision of the home office to set the tarif on how long any prisoner should serve before they are eligible for parole.
Because of various people rattling on about human rights etc, it was then decided that the judge involved in the case should set the tarif. Because there was so many cases pre- Ian Huntley that had to have thier tarifs reviewed, it is only now that the judge has got round to re-looking at Ian Huntleys case and decide how long he should be locked up for.

teeavee · 29/09/2005 14:00

link here (I hope)

sparklymieow · 29/09/2005 14:05

right!! I see, glad he is locked away anyway. I still feel sad when I see Holly and Jessica's picture. And DS was 3 when it happened and he remembers it too.

tortoiseshell · 29/09/2005 14:16

I read an interesting article about Tony Martin - yes the burglars were in the wrong, but Tony Martin was completely unstable. He in the past had stormed round to his brother's house and shot all the windows out of his house because of some disagreement. And as I understand it, the burglars were running away from his house, and he not only shot at them, but emptied his gun into the back of the one who died. It's got to be wrong, unless death is a suitable punishment for burglary. Tony Martin had already declared he was going to kill the next person who trespassed on his land.

sansouci · 29/09/2005 14:17

haven't read the thread but in his case, i'd say "hanging's too good for 'im."

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