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Julian Assange, wikileaks and these rape claims

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sherby · 03/12/2010 21:28

I have just read the basis of the two rape claims against him.

How is it possible to issue a warrant for rape charges against him? Even going by the womens statements it isn't rape, there is no 'non-consensual' sex.

Am I missing something here or does it stink to high heaven?

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Ryoko · 08/12/2010 12:24

I think it's more about what he hasn't published then what he has, the US has found the mole they know what data he had access to.

We all ready know about the insurance policy documents in case something happens to the guy that must contain the most juicy of secrets he has.

Only question in my mind is does wikileaks actually have what ever the documents are the US is frightened of.

StewieGriffinsMom · 08/12/2010 12:49

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MrsGuyOfChristmasBorn · 08/12/2010 12:59

SGM and Ryoko - good points.

genXmum · 08/12/2010 13:03

I doubt he has something extremely serious on the US. The documents Wikileaks has are on the lower end of security levels. It's info that 3 million people had access to, which means foriegn spies most likely had access to it already, just not the general public.

The rumor is that wikileaks is going to dump internal documents from the Banking sector and we'll get to find out about corruption that lies therein.

If only wikileaks could spill the beans on FIFA. Now that would be interesting....

wubblybubbly · 08/12/2010 13:06

It was charges relating to espionage Michael Mukasey referred to last night.

He seemed to think that extradition could be possible on that basis. The death penalty wasn't mentioned.

Nickiename · 08/12/2010 13:08

if I were him, I'd be getting over to Sweden pronto. I'd rather do six years in a Swedish prison than face the prospect of being dumped in the US by our craven, belly-crawling government to spend the rest of his life in a supermax hell-hole.

StewieGriffinsMom · 08/12/2010 13:25

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genXmum · 08/12/2010 13:41

SGM, you are correct, Roman Polanski has lead the way on this...

genXmum · 08/12/2010 14:14

The cyberwar is heating up.

StillSquiffy · 08/12/2010 14:30

Is now the time to invoke Godwins Law and mention that the Swedes were very happy to give safe passage to the Germans in the war, so long as they got favours in return.......?

Xenia · 08/12/2010 17:59

He will have all sorts and it will be revealed if he's damaged.

Operation Payback against Mastercard who withdrew services to wikileaks last week is just the start of what might happen.

It will all be very interesting.

MrsGuyOfChristmasBorn · 08/12/2010 19:32

I wonder why he didn't go to Switzerland when he had the chance?

BaggedandTagged · 09/12/2010 04:07

"I'm not sure I would go back to Sweden: a trip to France or Switzerland who don't deport convicted rapists back to the US would be much safer for him."

Not fair on the Swiss. The RP debacle was the fault of the Americans. Swiss extradition law states that they cannot extradite where the perp has already served their full sentence. They asked the US to provide paperwork showing that this was not the case- i.e. that had Polanski not absconded before sentencing that he would have served additional time, as common belief at the time was that he would have served his sentence whilst on remand. The Americans were unable or unwilling to produce this evidence so the Swiss had to let him go.

Given Polanski's (completely inexplicable) support in the US and from his fellow Hollywood luvvies, maybe that was a bit convenient for the US. They look like they made an effort and can blame the failure on the Swiss.

On a separate note, there was a nauseating article in some glossy mag with Polanki's wife who said that "the situation has been completely misled". He shagged a comatose 13 yr old ffs. Not much scope for miscomprehension as I see it.

Ryoko · 09/12/2010 15:33

Everyone needs to watch the film Enemy of the state, it has new meaning now it's all coming true.

I'm in full support of the cyber attacks on Visa, it's disgusting that the US government so long screaming about how great freedom of speech is, can suddenly start demanding everywhere from Amazon to the guys bank to stop dealing with him, frankly closing his bank account is nothing more then theft.

China must be having a good laugh at the USA now, and there do as we say, not as we do attitude.

We will never forget the hypocritical actions of the USA and this is only the beginning if you ask me, take down wikileaks and 100 more will pop up (IMHO at least) if Assange dies in someway or is imprisoned in the US for 999 years, America's internet systems and companies are going to be under constant cyber attacks the like of which they have never seen.

This is a critical time for the internet, is it going to be left as a place of free speech or locked down by the USA?

Prolesworth · 09/12/2010 15:59

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TheCrackFox · 09/12/2010 16:33

I honestly don't know why America is getting its knickers in a twist over Wikileaks - it is not like there is any information that we didn't already suspect that has been released.

America is making an arse out of itself over this.

wubblybubbly · 09/12/2010 16:46

Good article Prolesworth. Thank you for the link.

It lead to me to search for the letter from WAR, which I've linked to here. It makes interesting reading.

I was also somewhat surprised to note that Assange is yet to be charged with the alleged offences. This does seem to add fuel to the political motivation claims. I think it is unusual for bail to be denied and extradition sought where formal charges are yet to be made.

This really needs to be cleared up and dealt with through the proper legal channels. Pronto.

MrsGuyOfChristmasBorn · 09/12/2010 18:25

link here to sign petition agains the US crackdown

edam · 09/12/2010 23:12

second what wubbly said, Prolesworth, thanks for the link. Comments underneath are predictably depressing, though.

dittany · 09/12/2010 23:26

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wubblybubbly · 10/12/2010 00:09

Have charges now been brought?

wubblybubbly · 10/12/2010 00:39

Sorry, just googled, it doesn't look like he has been charged yet.

Found this link to a piece on The Ministry of Truth, which covers the allegations in a little more detail.

My brain is struggling to make sense of it, so apologies if it's crap. I'll try to process it again in the morning.

KittyFloss · 10/12/2010 01:42

It's America going round and apologising beforehand that I don't get, afaik the leaks so far have been "no shit sherlock" as someone upthread said. Fair enough the spying on the UN stuff, but he must have some juicy shit if they are getting so het up.

This whole thing is just mental really, I think the rape thing is seperate, make him stand trial. The whole fannying about with charges etc is just adding fuel to the flames. If they were raped I feel very sorry for those women, that will be one one the most watched/reported on trials in history, with everyone and their aunt having an opinion.

Btw the "conspiracy theorists" are very much arguing over this whole wikileaks being a "false flag" CIA effort to shut down the freedom of speech on the internet Grin. You can never please a conspiracy theorist.

KittyFloss · 10/12/2010 01:47

I also think there is no way on earth Assange could be "suicided", look at David Kelly, still doubts and conspiracies around him. Assange is far too high profile, imagine the furore if he had a sudden heart attack Hmm.

I imagine they actually have him on a drip, wrapped in bubblewrap lol.

claig · 10/12/2010 07:41

'Btw the "conspiracy theorists" are very much arguing over this whole wikileaks being a "false flag" CIA effort to shut down the freedom of speech on the internet'

I haven't read the conspiracy theorists, but that makes a lot of sense. I think this is theatre and not real. The whole thing has been going on for so long and all the big leftie lawyers are queuing up to get involved, and lefties believe it all. It is something out of a James Bond movie.