Wanna guess how the Prime Minister's baby is being fed?

[foxytocin]

Go on, have a guess then open the link.

here

You know how it is on Mumsnet: you bumble along thinking most posters are pretty much reasonable and you can shoot the breeze, agree, argue, laugh, cry, gnash teeth and share top tips with a whole load of other people who you have something in common with at least.

But then, just to disrupt the status quo, someone who has never hitherto come across as being wholly unreasonable drops a bomb with a completely mad thread and you truly can't believe that they are trying to formulate a persuasive argument out of it.

This thread is one of those for me.

Personally I think making comments that a parent 'looks a bit cack handed' while carrying out childcaring tasks undermines the ideal of both parents being hands-on and actively involved in caring for their children.

lol at nameymacnamechange.

FWIW, I did not comment in my OP what this child is being fed. I asked posters to have a guess and a few did! I don't know what was in the bottle either.

a load of MN assumptions about me what was in the bottle followed quickly, however. and I am a nutter for asking the question?

After some posters have pointed out that it can be EBM or Formula, you can't tell and anyways it has been said that the baby is mostly breastfed. I did have a cynical laugh. Yes, cynical, mad old me had to think that he is making sure he is covering everyone in certain voting demographics with that answer. you know, breast and formula feeders? he wouldn't want to ostracize anyone now, would he?

If I had been judgey my opening post would have looked something like this: tut tut

so Sam went sterilizer shopping too? no one ever told her that you don't need to sterilise when using EBM then. Or she may need a linky to RTKangamummy's thread to save on a tedious job.

Just contrast this with the crap given to Denise Van Outen. Anyway I digress, I don't care how this baby gets fed, only my own concern me, but I don't think it's terrible to wish for such a high profile mother to promote breastfeeding. Not that this is her responsibility and whether she wants to stay silent on bf/ff/mf is entirely her choice.

Its not as if despite the ' breastfeeding Nazis, mafia, fanatics, whatever', it's the norm. It would save the NHS money too as Foxytocin points out. Usual caveats around those who couldn't breastfeed, but most of us can.

or maybe she just wanted to sterilise. maybe she sometimes gives formula

i agree that you are doing far more harm than good with this thread foxy, even if your intentions were good

and in your second post you implied that it couldn't be EBM and if any of the posters that far knew about breastfeeding they would know it couldn't be

so you DID comment on what it was. you said it was formula albeit in a roundaboiut way

For all you know Sam may have had real problems bf her first child to put her off for life. Her son was disabled plus the fact she worked full-time. I real cannot understand why anyone is judging them for this. The woman has lost a child and whether he was not bf would not have made any difference.

and you know, if you wanted to start a thread on why you felt this picture was wrong. Why the media are yet again promoting formula and claiming that it makes DC a "hands on" Dad then you could have done that

but you didn't. you started a thread about HOW the baby is fed.

there is a huge difference

This op is eye wateringly misogenistic.

The couple have said they are 'mostly breast feeding' ie mixed feeding.

When in public, with the world's press breathing down your neck, you might not wish to breast feed. Is that too hard to understand? I mean seriously, I cannot see any woman not understanding that.

Absolutely - the argument wavers all over the place. The OP scathingly implied that none of us know what EBM looks like ( variously enormously ime, from watery grey to creamy and thick)

Maybe the OPs having a confusing day- she said she was off to work about lunchtime but still seems to be here!

Only half way through page 3, but just had to comment on Foxytocin's assertion that she'd "do a fab job at breastfeeding and looking after 4 too if my dh was worth what hers is". What an outrageously stupid comment to make.

Foxytocin, you have absolutely no idea what is going on in SamCam's life other than the fact her DH is the PM (which I should imagine is going to be pretty tricky when you have a 6 week old baby).

What a shame it is you who is using David Cameron's photo op to serve your own agenda.

Oh, please! Man feeds own child a bottle! Yes, it's a politcal ad! SMA has funded his entire campaign, that's just it.

Get a friggin' life.

Man feeds own child a bottle. Photos of it released.

BFD.

Ah yes, the rich women have no problems line.

Utter women-hating bile.

Oh, and one of her 4 children is dead.

What Foxy and her ilk fail to graps is that it's women like them that put so many off breastfeeding.

The whole worthy, knit-your-own-lentils, fairtrade coffee morning, home knitted sweater, vegetarian sandle wearing, make up free, tits out in Tesco brigade.

Just incase I was wrong - checked your profile Foxy - you have a picture of your placenta on there. I rest my case.

But presumably in the same way that rich women don't get cracked or invertd nipples - they also don't suffer any grief.

If this society was more supportive of breastfeeding she'd (every woman, not just SamCam) have support for her possible PND, medications, mental trauma, physical workload or whatever reason) it could be that may not enable her to breastfeed.

How about support for her choice if she just doesn't want to?

Or who knows, maybe she has to take drugs that don't allow for BF - I know two women with severe colitis who couldn't for that reason.

Or maybe it's just her own damn business.

And nope, he doesn't look cack handed at feeding her at all. He's holding her well and has the bottle tipped up as she's nearing the end of it.

Looks like, well, a person feeding a baby a bottle.

Sorry, missed quotes there!

'If this society was more supportive of breastfeeding she'd (every woman, not just SamCam) have support for her possible PND, medications, mental trauma, physical workload or whatever reason) it could be that may not enable her to breastfeed.'

yes i'd missed that gem!!!

"i'd have a cook, cleaner, driver, nanny.."

not sure how any of those things can ensure successful breastfeeding to be honest.
just because someone is rich does not mean they will have good support breastfeeding, be physically able or be confident enough to do it in public

although cleary SC IS successfully breastfeeding and sometimes uses a bottle. either of formula or EBM

if someone had posted on here saying "i really don't want to breastfeed in public, is it ok give baby a bottle of EBM/formula" would you have jumped down her throat?

What crap being given to Denise Van Outen wahwah?

On the original thread on here (few months ago now) - most people were generally neutral about her choosing to formula feed.

Its just her banging on about it and her transparent attempts to make money out of every little fart from her baby that most people (who are bothered either way) are annoyed about.

Myabe he is "cack handed" with the bottle because Florence is usually being BF?

I'm not going to say that I don't care whether she BF's or not - I have a certain amount of curiosity about it, I would prefer it if all mothers could and would BF.

DC has said in an interview that SamCam is mostly BFing - why chhose to ignore that?

Foxy your threads are usually fairly well thought out and sane but you are sounding slightly unhinged about this.

And there's a whole heap of difference between breast feeding in public ie a quiet corner of Starbucks, and public meaning hundreds of cameras beamed on you waiting to get a photo up on the net before you've managed to wind the baby.

That you can't conceive that, is astonishing. If I didn't know better I'd assume you were a man 'cos I just don't see how any woman wouldn't understand that.

Even if dc did look cack handed in the photo ( which he doesn't) I'd rather see a father bonding with his child through getting stuck in with the day to day tasks involved with childcare, than a father who fails to do so out of fear of not doing it exactly 'right'.

But then perhaps along with her misogynist attitude, the OP also gets off on ridiculing caring and involved fathers

That's what I thought Violet.

I think it's massively important that we see men, high profile men, doing the ordinary stuff with their kids.

Well I agree with,

"They are welcome to feed their baby anyway they like.

when they stick her picture in the baby being fed from a bottle, they invite the public to comment."