And He's Off - David Cameron's Speech

[LadyBlaBlah]

Has anyone seen the young Tories in the crowd/being interviewed?

I thought William Hague at 16 was bad

I haven't read Adrian Mole, but it sounds like he was right.

Let's make it easier for employers to treat employees like shit to make themselves richer

The 'mess' we are in - we owe 50% of gdp, low compared to other countries. We need govt income to rise not spending to fall.

The tories will put 600,000 public sector workers on the dole and 700,000 private sector employees will follow.

How lovely.

Do you really think Labour would have done different? Don't forget that Denis Healey ended up going cap in hand to the IMF.

Let's not forget the words of one of the wisest women of the 20th century, Margaret Thatcher. We ignore her words at our peril.

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"

One of the wisest women of the 20th century??
Now I know you're having a laugh

I think she managed to sum up in that one sentence, what great thinkers had been grappling with for years. BooBooGlass, read more of her thoughts carefully, and you will see why I am not joking.

Hello all,
I'm not as clever as a lot of you and i struggle sometimes to understand what on earth their all on about but i think it actually helps me see more clearly.
I grew up one of four children and watched my dad work every waking hour (and then some) trying to pay the bills and feed and clothe us all while my mum took care of us, They offen had to make a choice between paying the water bill or taking us out somewhere for the day because back then there were no tax credits or anything that wld have made a signifiant difference to my parents cash flow situation...because that's correct my friends i grew up in the reigns of Maggie Thatcher and John Major.
When i had my son in 2006 i couldn't believe how much help and support i was given compared with what my parents had (and i say that as someone who went into labour at her desk!) i am by no means someone who sits on the sofa waiting for the benefits to roll in; that is a disgraceful stereotype to inflict upon people who need help especially in this day and age! i am all for people voting for what they believe in and what is best for this country but i will always vote for what i am a working woman, a working mother...and at that a working pregnant mother i vote Labour with bloody good reason, the torys are great if you own your own business, your a farmer etc.. but i'm not so i vote for the party that represents me.
Ooooo that was a bit of a rant wasn't it?

aren't we back to the less people have, the less people spend argument though?

if women are forced back into the home we are in a world of trouble... not only in terms of the loss of their physical and mental input in the business world
the consumption of those, generally underpaid, workers becomes almost entirely lost
the feel of a household changes massively also things no longer seem possible
we will just wonder what next grim attack looms ahead and keep the shillings we have left hidden under our matresses

also the changes in hb will ensure that we really do end up with a right and wrong side of the the tracks environment
this seems like nonsense, all of it just nonsense that will move us backward socially and economically
again not something clegg or cameron can ever truly appreciate

"I don't think that most of the employers in this country are like that. I think this is socialist rhetoric, the kind whipped up by Lenin, and is really designed to harm relations between employers and employees"

One of our biggest employers is Tesco

And if people had a clue how they operate they would be horrified. I sound a bit MI5 not 9 to 5, and wish I could expand, but I can't. At least not until DH gets a new job.

"Child benefit is unique in the UK as the only benefit paid primarily to women."

Nope. Got it in NZ. Australia too if i remember correctly.

"I don't think that most of the employers in this country are like that. I think this is socialist rhetoric, the kind whipped up by Lenin, and is really designed to harm relations between employers and employees."

To be fair, I think a lot of employers ARE like that. DH works for a company who are in the Times top 50 companies to work for, and he is getting a raw deal (a promo with no pay rise, regularly working over 60 hours per week, having working hours on contract increased unilaterally and then being told, think yourself lucky you have a job...) And this is no small company, it is a massive international firm. It makes you wonder, if they, who are supposedly such a great employer, are doing this sort of stuff, what are the rest up to??!?

I think the poster meant the only benefit in the UK paid to women, not that the UK is the only country to pay child benefit.
At least that's waht I thought

claig - are you employed by Tory Central Office perchance? If you're not, then I know you are just being an agent provoateur, as no-one who saw Theresa May on NN last night could have been impressed. She was almost as bad as Syeeda Warsi on the World at One today. What a shame the few Tory women are so lacklustre.

And Cameron's speech was pants. Even the Tory faithful wish he'd shut up about the Big So Shitey. Let it go Dave!

I agree with you Ethelred. We are now in tough times, and workers' rights will decrease and employers will seek to extract more out of their workers, because employers now have the upper hand, since jobs are scarce. I think this is inevitable. Evntually when we come out of this, the balance will shift towards employees again. Employees now will need to work harder for less pay rises in order to hold onto their jobs. I think it is a result of the economic crisis that we have been landed in. Employers are now tring it on by floating ideas like staff need to clock out while taking cigarette breaks. It is not nice, but I think it will only be like this in the short term, and may be a price that we all have to pay to get out of the mess.

I am a young graduate, working for the public sector with a young son, high childcare costs and a self employed partner earning decent money. I foresee a lot of This morning in the future, a lot of tea - drinking and relying on my partner for everything... because quite simply I won't be able to afford to work if there is still a job for me. Really excellent, DC, thanks a lot!

RainbowRainbow, I don't work for Tory Central Office. I don't agree with lots of what they say. For instance I don't believe in their global warming story. I only caught the last bit of Theresa, where the man in the audience was shouting at her about how easy priosners had it. I thought she dealt with him very well. I will have to watch teh whole thing. Where did she go wrong?

I agree with you about Big Society, I think it is just bullshit and spin. I think that is typical of so many politicians, but I don't think it is a big deal really, they all spin to some extent. It is the big lies that really count and that is where the last lot were the masters.

Interested to hear why most people on this thread seem to think Labour deserve any kind of reprieve after their time in office? Wondering whether this is ConLib bashing for the sake of it or whether you all are being objective?

(I say that as a working mother who doesn't 'belong' or offer blind allegiance to any political party)

Loopeylu - I don't think Labour deserve a reprieve. I think all political parties are shite and slag them all off.

Claig is being really scary this afternoon...I have this image of her sitting next to a Maggie photo channelling the "where there is discord" speech.

Lot more entertaining than Dave though.

I like the word "magnificent" though. It has a touch of the Widdecombs to it.

claig in my minds eye seems like that young lad from big brother who got it on with rebecca
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magnificent (big love for that)

Thanks for reminding me of the great 'where ther is discord' speech.

"Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope"

it doesn't get any better than that. Straight from the heart. Churchill himself would struggle to match that. If only Dave would have started the conference speech off like that, he would have had a 45 minute standing ovation.

Off topic but when I first ne dp's mad old rich tory aunt I was snooping about in their big house as i had never been in one like it and she had a gilt framed soft focus photo pf john major next to her bed!On a bloody doilie thing

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