And He's Off - David Cameron's Speech

[LadyBlaBlah]

Has anyone seen the young Tories in the crowd/being interviewed?

I thought William Hague at 16 was bad

You don't want to be a winner? You don't want your family/neighbours/friends to be successful? It's not a zero sum game where if one person is a winner someone else is a loser. But a country with no ambition and no aspiration would be (maybe already is) a miserable place.

he has only started, he will remove the stifling socialist red-tape, he will tear up their politically correct rules and regulations that were designed to stifle business. He will free up the productive, inventive capacity of the British people. Because he wants people to succeed, he wants business to thrive and to employ people. He is not a jealous, stifling socialist who punitively taxes success. he wants all of the people to succedd and to keep the wages that they earn and he wants to allow them to spend their hard-earned money as they please. He will eventually reduce incentivise enterprise and encourage dynamism. He is the exact opposite of the all-controlling, smothering, suffocating quagmire of socailism.

its all very personal with some this politics lark

So basically he said a big fat nothing about anything?!

reduce taxes and let people keep the money in their pockets, he won't waste on grandiose, pious, politically correct, progressive schemes

He believes in the British people, not in the socialist central planners of the British state

I am going to make and market a BiG Society Stickerchart

It could tick so many boxes for The Ham

I would be being entrepreneurial, and all the while contributing to enforcing the Big Society

I could have little tick lists on like:

Have you checked on your elderly neighbour?

Have you complained about your school and had a 'meeting' to discuss setting up an inferior but very selective alternative?

Have you voluntarily given up your winter fuel allowance?

Have you confronted some sofa sitting benefit claimants and told them to "get a job"?

you are right, big society is bullshit. But we know that all politicians bullshit. But the Tories bullshit less than the socialists, because the socialist entire philosophy is built on bullshit.

We'll make a Tory of you yet LadyBlaBlah... Leaving the sarcasm to one side, checking on an elderly neighbour would be a really lovely thing to do.

you are running a small business. You will soon wake up and realise that the Tories are the party of business. Ask any small shopkeeper or self-employed taxi-driver or self-employed plumber, they will nearly all support the Tories, for one simple reason, the tories support them and their businesses. It is business that creates jobs. Not all of us are capable of creating successful businesses. We need to support the people who are capable of doing so, because they employ the rest of us.

I already do check on my elderly neighbour. I might write to Dave and tell him.

Or just give myself a sticker.

Honestly the bureaucracy in setting up a new business was erm, zero

I am not sure what could make it any easier

He will eventually cut corporation tax, reduce employers' NI contribution, free up the rules for hiring and firing. He will create an environment that supports rather than suffocates the entrepreneur. First he will have to sort out the economic mess that the progressives bequeathed him. After he has managed to undo what the socialists did, he will then be able to revitalise the country and help the people of the country to thrive and prosper, the things that the socialists were always ideologically intent on preventing.

If you are socially responsible and an entrpreneur than you are exactly the kind of person the 'big society' (or 'small state') needs.... looking out for other people, generating wealth, creating employment and not expecting the state to interfere where they're not needed or take more money off you than strictly necessary. :)

Which party made it attractive not to work? When did this happen? I lived on benefits under Labour and it most certainly was not comfortable, nor atttractive,. Was there some kind of secret benefit I was missing out on?

The reason people cannot work is because wages are too low when compared to the cost of living/housing, so in order to work they either need high paying jobs (difficult when you have young children and are a single parent) or you need benefits to top up the wage.

Claig I work for a small business and the owner is worried about the raising VAT which would kill his already struggling business as if the prices he pays go up, the prices his already struggling customers pay go up.

Looks like I will back to 'sitting on the sofa waiting for the benefits to roll in' again soon

The rules for hiring and firing?

It is not difficult to fairly hire nor is it difficult to fairly fire in the UK. What are you talking about?

If wages are too low didn't Labour have 13 years to do something about that? Aren't they meant to be the party of the working man?

"Claig I work for a small business and the owner is worried about the raising VAT which would kill his already struggling business as if the prices he pays go up, the prices his already struggling customers pay go up."

the employer is right to worry about VAT. The Tories don't want to increase VAT, they have had to do so due to the profligacy and waste of the socialist shower. Eventually, he will be able to lower VAT again, but we are in for some hard years because of what the socialists did.

See, the rules for hiring and firing being relaxed?

Its back to the old argument - it is us women who will suffer.

People complain about maternity rights etc. because they "suffocate" small business. That is until it happens to them, their wife or their sister.

There shouldn't be a need for laws, people should not discriminate anyway. But the pursuit of greed needs reigning in

I never said Labour were perfect, they are just the lesser evil. The tories are taking money from the pockets of those who need it most.

Claig - sorry but you have not answered the question, about hiring and firing?

"It is not difficult to fairly hire nor is it difficult to fairly fire in the UK. What are you talking about?"

I mean things like NI contributions etc. I think he will reduce the rights of workers temporarily in order to allow employers to take on people more easily and not be locked into obligations that they may not be able to meet, if their business is not as successful as hoped.

i fail to see how he is supporting small businesses
also saying small business owners support the tories is only right to the extent that a large number of that particular group are core tory voters anyway

after a while the small business start ups and owners will become exclusively tory as there will be no benefits to prop up those in need thus eradicating all hope and entrepreneurial zeal in lower socio economic groups
complete poverty and a greater them us divide, on every level, does not stimulate new small business start up imvho

"Its back to the old argument - it is us women who will suffer."

yes we will all suffer, they are not denying it. We are in a crisis, and we will all suffer to get out of it. But they are capable of leading us out of it, and once we are out of it, we will suffer less, as our rights will increase again. We have to survive the storm to see a brighter day.

Sorry I really do not follow.

What do you mean by obligations? Right to Redundancy Payments? Right to fair treatment at work?

Employees usually make businesses successful.

Employer NI contributions are a cost to doing business., that businesses have been aware of for a long time.

Have you heard of the agency workers directive? The Equality Act?