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So, white working class children are being failed by schools and society in general.

214 replies

mrsruffallo · 15/07/2010 11:00

Held in contempt by the middle classes (much evidence of that on here)
Industry no longer provides these people with a job for a life, dismissed as chavs, it seems that these are the the people that it is okay to ignore.....

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southeastastra · 15/07/2010 18:07

agree so many kids are just angry from such a young age too.

daftpunk · 15/07/2010 18:09

Will try and find you a link but ds2 wants me to go and play football with him....

claig · 15/07/2010 18:09

I think this problem of white poor boys underachieving all over the country has been persistent and politicians have not given it the same urgency as they give other cases of underachievement

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7721837.stm

Let's see if the new lot change things or if it's just more of the same

CliqueOff · 15/07/2010 18:09

Entitlement and Blame.....the reason Britain is failing it's yoof.

southeastastra · 15/07/2010 18:09

(was agreeing with 18.05 post)

but the report says money has been used to target the failing black teenagers so the gap isn't as wide so realisitcally they have to do the same for these boys.

though i have no idea what

CliqueOff · 15/07/2010 18:14

I'll high five for someone agreeing.

[immature emoticon]

CliqueOff · 15/07/2010 18:14

high five myself!!

tethersend · 15/07/2010 18:22

Dp, that's a completely different thread.

Unless you are claiming that white wc boys are underachieving across the country as a result of a few muslim children being withdrawn from music lessons in some schools?

I suspect you are trying to shoehorn that topic into this discussion.

Go and start a thread if you feel strongly about it.

chibi · 15/07/2010 18:29

when i came to the uk i started teaching at a school mainly made up of white working class students

their parents mostly worked on a nearby industrial estate, unemployment was v v v low

there was a real antipathy to education, both from parents and students - i had to work v hard to help make my subject relevant (and didn't always succeed)

students who worked hard were mostly mocked (there were some exceptions)

some of this came from parental attitudes - i think they had v v negative experiences at school themselves and were passing that on to their children

some of it was a lack of ability to see beyond their horizons iyswim if no one you know goes to college, it is hard to do it yourself

some of it was due to ready employment, stuff school when you can get a job paying x amount with no qualifications

some of it was anti-deference to authority for lack of a better word - you had to really earn their respect and until you had it, you got nowhere

it is kind of funny, my background is working class, (different country) and i partly went into teaching to 'make a difference', but my students were mostly 'fuck off miss, we don't need your subject'

v humbling and sobering, my first year was a real grind

in my defense it was my first real year teaching!

CliqueOff · 15/07/2010 18:31

I wonder whether too much of education is far too feminine and therefore the more macho (please excuse how I express this) working class boys are struggling to find their place outside of cool drugs and disengaging. I wonder if the shrinking of sports facilities and clubs mean that children are not finding anything to inspire them. (eg my ds is not great at school or sport, although not bad, so he's doing a little modelling to boost his confidence... I never thought I'd allow my dcs to do this but he feels good about himself.)

Perhaps if we put more funding into sciences and more male subjects to make them attractive it could help.

disclaimer I hope I haven't sounded too sexist.

cat64 · 15/07/2010 18:33

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southeastastra · 15/07/2010 18:35

the white boy in the middle looks chavtastic but that's probably me looking to deeply into it.

missmiss · 15/07/2010 18:35

Someone mentioned above that 82% of children in LAC are white; presumably that's across the whole country. I thought (and my statistics could be very wrong, so please correct me if that's the case) that across the whole country the percentage of the population classed as non-white is only about 9% - obviously with huge variations from area to area.

If that's the case, wouldn't it imply that a disproportionately high percentage of non-white children were in care, rather than vice versa?

ivykaty44 · 15/07/2010 18:44

I find it interesting that mothers are jailed and not fathers of the school children not attending school?

Working class mothers jailed will lose their jobs - not a good way to get children to school if you are jailed and can't get to work.....

or are we talking about unemployed mothers not getting thier chidlren to school and absent fathers not around to jail or care or even interfere

claig · 15/07/2010 18:44

just looked at the Birmingham report front cover. Patronising for a serious report and I think chavtastic is probably right.

daftpunk · 15/07/2010 18:44

tethersend;

It isn't just a "few" children, that was confirmed by someone from the muslim council of Britain..

My point is; money is being spent on ethnic minorites for riduculous reasons...the teacher said it shouldn't be allowed as music is part of the NC....when the reporter asked her why it was allowed ..she just shrugged her shoulders....

daftpunk · 15/07/2010 18:46

CliqueOff;

Your posts are seriously annoying...

claig · 15/07/2010 18:46

ivykaty44, that case of the mother being jailed was disgusting. She was a single mother who couldn't control her rebellious daughter and they jailed her. I can't remember who looked after the daughter while she was in jail.

tethersend · 15/07/2010 18:50

Stop hijacking this thread with your own agenda, dp.

White wc boys are not underachieving because A FEW muslim children are withdrawn from music lessons in SOME schools.

You are making yourself look ridiculous- it's embarrassing.

daftpunk · 15/07/2010 18:53

Why are they underachieving then...?

And I didn't say the music thing was the only reason...I was giving an example of what is going on in schools in Lambeth

CliqueOff · 15/07/2010 18:53

daftpunk, may I take this opportunity to say I couldn't care less how you view my posts. I would rather you weren't here at all.

mamatomany · 15/07/2010 18:55

We need the big brother program to be introduced to the UK where men mentor children who don't have a father figure in their lives, I'm sure that would make a difference to the achievements of many young men who are lost in the system.

daftpunk · 15/07/2010 18:55

The feeling is more than mutual

CliqueOff · 15/07/2010 18:56

White boys are underachieving because their parents are too dumb to take responsibility for them, their fathers bugger off and have nothing to do with them and an asbo is a lucky charm. They're more likely to believe the crap that money spent on ethnic minorities is money they're losing, well it doesn't work like that.

CliqueOff · 15/07/2010 18:58

Trouble is daftpunk, I know you of old and you have no idea who I, usually, am. Just because noone is biting your usual narrow minded horseshit you are being personal.

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