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Please will you kindly support and advise me, as I try to help a friend sort out his home? THREAD 2

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EatingTheElephantInChunks · 28/07/2021 14:51

THREAD 2

All constructive posts very welcome, whether you are an old familiar, usually a lurker or completely new to the thread. It would probably be helpful if new posters read my OP and my posts on the first thread before posting - many thanks. Flowers

No posts on Thread 2 please until the first thread is completely full - thank you. Gin

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EatingTheElephantInChunks · 15/08/2021 08:43

Hello again everyone, thank you to decob and a warm welcome and thank you to Awk and ABC. Flowers

As I unexpectedly start year four, and having considered changing my user name to EatingTheMammothInChunks and even BanquetingOnTheMammothInChunks, it's time again for an update and some overdue replies.

The posts from decob and Awk about moth repellent and with copious refreshments of gin, cake, tea, gin, gin and more gin couldn't have been more apt, needed and timely. Bear with during the usual Test Card transmission....

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NoSquirrels · 15/08/2021 09:32

Drums fingers…

Grin
Chemenger · 15/08/2021 09:43

For moths what you need are the smoke bombs that you set off, close the doors and leave for a few hours. They are the only thing that has got our house clear. You probably need to wait until all the rooms are done so that you can do the whole house otherwise they will just reinfest from untreated rooms.

EatingTheElephantInChunks · 15/08/2021 10:34

I spent Three Year Anniversary Eve not in clean pyjamas after a nice bath, having an early night looking forward with anticipation and excitement to the next day. No, I did not. Instead, I spent Three Year Anniversary Eve wrestling again with The Moth Unit.

If I just insert this here: Gin Gin Gin Gin you will know how it went.

For those wanting all the all gory details, I should warn you that what follows is not for the faint of heart.

I got it into my silly little head that The Moth Unit is one of those jobs that is better behind you than in front of you and that it would be just great to get it out of the way before the end of year three. Actually, my silly little head was absolutely right on both those points, but it was what came between having the thought and the chunk being behind me - or almost behind me, more on the ominous 'almost' to follow - that was the trouble.

As soon as I pulled The Moth Unit away from the wall, I knew I was in some trouble, just not how much. There were countless cocoons and cobwebs on the back of it and on the wall behind it. Old newspapers, packaging and so on were on the floor underneath, obviously from the mountainous regions I had cleared from the front and side in the past. I knew there was nothing for it but to follow a pp's advice - apologies, but I can't remember which wise pp said this - and try to GET IT OUTSIDE. Luckily I was already in my Serious Chunking Attire. As I gingerly manoeuvred and dragged it outside, it merrily shed debris across the lovely clean floor as it went. This is now the floor that I will happily stand on in bare feet as I get changed or even pick up and use a fallen teaspoon from, I might add.

Leaving The MU out in the open to hopefully allow at least some of its residents to disembark into the wild, I cleared the debris from the floor and where the unit had been, gave the floor and the wall behind and above and the side of the dresser next to it all a good vacuuming, followed by a double scrub down and mop.

Outside, I set to on the unit, giving that a good vacuum and scrub down too to remove the webs and cocoons and freshen it all up. I was feeling better about it by this point, especially having seen and been able to read the very old label still stuck on the back of it, detailing exactly where it came from so many years ago. As I stepped back to admire my handiwork, it suddenly dawned on me that I hadn't vacuumed the underside and that I really should just quickly do that before popping the unit back inside and into its new place by the sink unit.

Just quickly - famous last words. As I tipped the unit on its side to vacuum the underside, nothing could have prepared me for the sheer volume of cocoons under there, in every nook and cranny, on every surface and in layers. The number was immeasurable and quite shocking, even already having dealt with the inside in the past. Even at that time of the day, I took my mask and gloves off, made myself a stiff G&T, and sat and drank it in a garden chair. It really was Dutch Courage. I set to with my Psycho carving knife, Chem's suggestion - actually for the underside of the kitchen table - of a wallpaper scraper, the end of DHenry's hose and a pan scrub. Eventually - and I mean eventually - I was able to scrub and wash it all down and move it back indoors to its new place by the sink. In my tired state, it was only then - and here comes the ominous 'almost behind me' bit - that I remembered the still-stuck drawer.

Entering the kitchen the next day, I was immediately struck by the much, much fresher smell in the air now the MU has been - almost! - dealt with. The unit does of course look better now and will provide a useful work surface, especially by the sink and socket. If I had known then though what I know now, and with the benefit of hindsight, it should have just gone straight outside ready to be put in a skip at some future date. It really was not worth all that time and effort. The problem was, by the time I realised that, I had already put significant time and effort in and felt bound to carry on till the bitter end. I think this is a fault of mine. Sometimes you have to re-evaluate, to quit while you're ahead. I really should have followed Chem's advice on the Log Basket of Doom: dragged the MU outside and set light to it!!!

To cheer us all up, me especially, I can end on another positive. The MU could be moved to its new place by the sink because the big old washing machine has been unhooked, Death Water avoided - narrowly, but avoided - moved outside and to the collection point with extra muscle this time, and taken away to the recycling centre in the sky. I also got rid of two more bulky broken electrical items at the same time I had spotted in the sitting room. The floor and outside wall where the old washing machine had been was quite damp and there was evidence of a slug or snail on the wall - maybe the same one from the blind. I used a lot of disinfectant and also poured some neat down the drainage pipe and capped it off - old plastic milk bottle top fit perfectly, needs must! - in case it had come up through there.

There is still a lot to do from that list but I think we're slowly getting there in the kitchen, aren't we? Flowers

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decobwebbing · 15/08/2021 12:16

Much cheering and waving of pom-poms! And lots of extra Gin

Delighted that your extra muscles arrived this time, and that bonus bulky items have left.

Pashazade · 15/08/2021 12:38

As they say hindsight is always 20:20! Well done. 🎉🎉🐘🐘

AwkwardPaws27 · 15/08/2021 13:28

Excellent work Nellie!
I think it's good to bear in mind the "sunk costs fallacy" but I can easily see how, in the moment, it is hard to "abandon" a task.
Maybe try to think of it as directing your energies towards the lower-hanging fruit, creating quicker results for your friend to enjoy.
Although it is a shame to discard furniture, you can pick up good quality secondhand stuff; our local British Heart Foundation shop is brilliant, they deliver AND you are supporting a good cause. It may be worth considering for any future MUs (although I have everything crossed this was the only one!).
Some tasks are also worth getting the experts in for - for example, cleaning the oven. I wish I'd paid someone to do mine when we moved it. It wound up taking several days (not all scrubbing, but leaving things to soak etc), then the blooming seal snapped and I had to faff around sourcing and fitting a replacement.

EatingTheElephantInChunks · 15/08/2021 13:59

Patience is a virtue, dear Nutty, and I should know because I am still waiting patiently on your promised mothball googling. Halo

Thanks Chem. Can you recommend any smoke bombs please? Again, that is something I never expected to be typing! And do you know how long cats need to be kept away from the room for?

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EatingTheElephantInChunks · 15/08/2021 14:17

Thank you decob, Pash and Paws. Part of the challenge around here is there isn't too much of anything nearby - for example like your wonderful-sounding BHF shop, Paws. I am going to look into 'cleaner of ovens' availability though because it does make perfect sense to delegate when I can. I won't be going up the chimney to sweep it, for example! It is also a problem to get a general cleaner - they are like gold dust around here: rare as hens' teeth. Finding a good one who isn't a gossip will also complicate matters. The good news is that the gardener is coming quite regularly now to mow and, when he can fit it in, also do some weeding.

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Gladioli23 · 15/08/2021 15:59

I use the rentokil mothballs I think, and they work pretty well for me - if that helps Ele.

Chemenger · 15/08/2021 17:04

The bombs we have are by Pest Expert, we got them on Amazon. We kept the cat out for about 12 hours, I think.

applesandpears33 · 15/08/2021 17:10

Well done on the MU. The sticky moth traps are also useful in so far as they will tell you if there are still moths in a room after it has been treated. They only trap one sex of moth (male, I think) so don't get rid of all moths but should help to cut down the breeding cycle if there are any left after a moth bomb. I have not tried one of the bombs but they sound good. Does anyone know if they set off smoke alarms?

TheABC · 15/08/2021 20:27

Congratulations on tackling the MU and electrical items! I am also relieved to hear you are looking at an oven cleaner and your friend has a gardener.

Onwards and upwards!

MrsRockAndRoll · 16/08/2021 21:32

Joining in with cheers!

Ulysses · 17/08/2021 07:18

That's brilliant news about the MU. And the washing machine. And the prospect of a professional oven clean.

I have been clearing out my garage and there's a corner which is thick with cobwebs and I can't bring myself to sweep it properly so I have been reading your tackling of the MU in terror and awe. It really is no mean feat.

EatingTheElephantInChunks · 17/08/2021 09:28

Hello again everyone and thank you to Glad, Chem, apples, ABC, MrsRock and Uly. Flowers

I find the only way is to deal with the worst at arms length with the vacuum cleaner's longest hose to start with, Uly! But you have my sympathies and understanding! You have to be bwave. I could lend you the cat, if you like, who presented me with a gift at my feet of the largest house spider I have ever seen the other day in the kitchen, after sitting and watching the old washing machine's vacated space for a good while. Not sure if that would be a help or a hindrance to you though! Best of luck. You'll feel better when it's done. I would help you if I could. Brew

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EatingTheElephantInChunks · 17/08/2021 10:07

A small update.

Not a lot of chunking has been going on since the big kitchen push recently and especially since tackling The MU and old washing machine. I have needed a bit of a break from it, really - and also to give my friend a break - and have been busy at home with my family and so on.

Just some small but important things achieved, not much from that list:

  • I had seen a large old stoneware bread crock partially hidden and covered in dust and cobwebs on the dresser. I managed to fish it out and thoroughly cleaned it inside and out to make it food-friendly again. It's now next to the toaster, storing bread products. Not only does it look nice, it will help to keep the bread and so on fresh and more easily accessible. My main reason though was to reduce anything being around open to the air that might attract and feed more Dreaded Moths!!! There would be a swear word or two in the middle of Dreaded Moths - and I think I could be forgiven - but this is a family-friendly thread.
  • I helped my friend renew his car insurance, car breakdown and recovery membership and house insurance. They had all expired, thankfully only very recently this time and without any driving happening or any calamitous events at home. A large note has been added to the calendar for next year! Understandably, he doesn't want them on automatic renewal by direct debit because of course the companies all seem to charge much more when you do that instead of shopping around.
  • I have taken out all the bags of recycling I had previously sorted from the second chunk in the main bedroom.
  • I have put up some coat hooks on the back of the hall door.
  • I have cut the cat's claws. Put-out puss is not talking to me now.

Hopefully back soon with a bit more progress and eventually those overdue replies. Until then, take care everyone. Flowers

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Chemenger · 17/08/2021 10:22

The biggest house spider in the world is currently behind a book on the windowsill in my bedroom, or at least I hope he is still there. I was tidying up when I spotted him and I took the coward’s way out and just left the book where it is. I’m not good with spiders. Time to get a new foster cat, although the last few have been useless at spider hunting. I want one that crunches them up.

sueelleker · 17/08/2021 12:09

- I have cut the cat's claws. Put-out puss is not talking to me now.

No more presents of spiders for you then!

fourquenelles · 17/08/2021 12:18

I beg to differ. The biggest spider in the world* (and I have lived with Huntsmen in the past) was outside my bedroom door a couple of days ago. Please note the "was". I am hoping my two gangley Galgos have either chased it away or eaten it. I still check the bed and shake out clothes before putting them on though.

  • "I could put a saddle on it and enter it in the Derby" big
Herecomesthesun70 · 17/08/2021 13:10

@EatingTheElephantInChunks

A small update.

Not a lot of chunking has been going on since the big kitchen push recently and especially since tackling The MU and old washing machine. I have needed a bit of a break from it, really - and also to give my friend a break - and have been busy at home with my family and so on.

Just some small but important things achieved, not much from that list:

  • I had seen a large old stoneware bread crock partially hidden and covered in dust and cobwebs on the dresser. I managed to fish it out and thoroughly cleaned it inside and out to make it food-friendly again. It's now next to the toaster, storing bread products. Not only does it look nice, it will help to keep the bread and so on fresh and more easily accessible. My main reason though was to reduce anything being around open to the air that might attract and feed more Dreaded Moths!!! There would be a swear word or two in the middle of Dreaded Moths - and I think I could be forgiven - but this is a family-friendly thread.
  • I helped my friend renew his car insurance, car breakdown and recovery membership and house insurance. They had all expired, thankfully only very recently this time and without any driving happening or any calamitous events at home. A large note has been added to the calendar for next year! Understandably, he doesn't want them on automatic renewal by direct debit because of course the companies all seem to charge much more when you do that instead of shopping around.
  • I have taken out all the bags of recycling I had previously sorted from the second chunk in the main bedroom.
  • I have put up some coat hooks on the back of the hall door.
  • I have cut the cat's claws. Put-out puss is not talking to me now.

Hopefully back soon with a bit more progress and eventually those overdue replies. Until then, take care everyone. Flowers

Just a note on the insurance auto renewal is a safe way of making sure your always covered so of your friend forgets or isn't able to do it he won't fall foul of the law. Note the calendar for 3 weeks before to do the shopping around. Use a price comparison site then it's a small job. You'll get best prices then and his renewal should have been sent to use as a starting point.
Ringsender2 · 18/08/2021 11:37

Ellie Your small updates are all rather significant from my POV! Don't do yourself down!

I have really vicariously enjoyed the moth-busting tales. It's grim but sooo satisfying to get these bits sorted. Especially when it's not one's own house and you can leave it behind after a chunk or two.

I have masses of paper to sort. Much less fun and much more tedious. Filling the recycling tubs is quite therapeutic though...

Gladioli23 · 22/08/2021 23:22

I hope everything is going okay for you Ele, at home as well as for your friend. This is such an enormous job that it must feel all consuming at times. Even your little updates during a "break" sound big to me.

cakeandchampagne · 23/08/2021 04:01

“Just quickly.” Smile
Has your friend been doing little things on their own, between your visits?

FinallyHere · 23/08/2021 14:25

*renew his car insurance, car breakdown and recovery membership and house insurance. They had all expired, thankfully only very recently this time

...

he doesn't want them on automatic renewal by direct debit because of course the companies all seem to charge much more when you do that instead of shopping around.*

Dear @EatingTheElephantInChunks

I have been following your adventures and have some small insight into what a task you have undertaken, having cleared my Dear Parent's house after their death, which at the time seemed like a mammoth task but which pales into insignificance compared to what you have taken on.

May I just say you have the patience of an absolute saint.