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Please will you kindly support and advise me, as I try to help a friend sort out his home? THREAD 2

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EatingTheElephantInChunks · 28/07/2021 14:51

THREAD 2

All constructive posts very welcome, whether you are an old familiar, usually a lurker or completely new to the thread. It would probably be helpful if new posters read my OP and my posts on the first thread before posting - many thanks. Flowers

No posts on Thread 2 please until the first thread is completely full - thank you. Gin

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Twodogsandababy · 02/08/2021 20:44

Posting so I don’t lose this amazing thread! Hurrah for a cozy dinner at the kitchen table, well done Ellie! Amazing work, your friend is so lucky to have you! Also no need to answer if you don’t want to but if you do feel comfortable sharing, what do your family think about this adventure? I hope they’re cheering you on! Are they able to visit the house and see progress or is your friend not ready for this at the moment? Your family and friends are so lucky to have you Smile

QualityMarguerite · 02/08/2021 22:24

I was just checking in partly to see how you are doing on and as a dose of fortitude-tomorrow Is hoover up the cellar spiders day. Not those nice house spiders but the freaky vibrating spider killer ones. Sections are getting a bit like an Indiana Jones set.

picklemewalnuts · 03/08/2021 08:31

Re finishing touches, I do place ornaments on surfaces to signal that the surface is 'occupied' and not available for storage. It is semi effective. Things like the TV unit- obviously the TV is there. DH will still leave the remotes, glasses, newspapers there, though I sweep them into the drawer when I want things to look tidy. The space is broken up by a candlestick, some smaller candles and a trinket pot so bigger things like board games and jigsaws, or piles of DVDs, don't fit. Otherwise there would be DVDs, CDs, games etc in piles up to toppling height.
Window ledges the same. A plant in the middle prevents them being used at bookshelves.

I sort of clear a space and 'claim' it with something, to prevent junk piling up.

EatingTheElephantInChunks · 03/08/2021 13:41

Hello again everyone, thank you to Alien, cake, Twodogs, Marg and pickle and a warm welcome too to Alien. Flowers

I'm not encouraging him to buy even more things, cake! That did make me laugh though, thank you - in perhaps quite a nervous, even maniacal way! There have been the essentials, of course, that certainly did need replacing, like the fridge, freezer, toaster and so on. He has mentioned he would quite like something to play music in the kitchen - a radio, CDs, even his records - if anyone has any suggestions and recommendations please? Other than that, I think it has to be a matter of seeing what turns up during my chunking and what condition it is in before buying anything else, if that makes sense?

As you'll see in my posts, Twodogs, my friend hasn't had visitors for a very long time and I promised to respect that until he is ready. I also promised confidentiality right at the very start when he trusted me with all this. While my family know I am helping him and they have visited the garden by agreement, I have stuck to my promise and not discussed the extent of things indoors with anyone - even my very close, much loved ones. I didn't want to break my promises to my friend, nor put my family under the pressure of having to keep such a big thing to themselves and over such a long period of time - well, forever, really. One day, I hope my friend will feel comfortable to have us all round for a meal or just a cup of tea and a piece of cake - but there will be no pressure to.

I am thinking of you today, Marg, as you don your own bush hat and brandish your machete! I was only in spider-tackling territory again myself yesterday, up high above the kitchen window. It reminded me of the first time I was up there and a large, feisty spider actually jumped at me - presumably in defence mode but possibly in attack! Nice house spiders, you say? I was so traumatised and disbelieving at the time, I don't think I included that in my update. Good luck to you - I hope you make it out alive...

I hadn't thought about claiming or occupying a space in that way before, pickle - thank you for that. I think it might be useful here.

Apologies everyone that an update is slow in coming. I have been hard at it at times but think my brain is still in recovery mode after the shock of being able to post about having an actual meal at the actual kitchen table and needing a Thread 2! Bear with. We could do with the Test Card girl with the clown and some music. Gin

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picklemewalnuts · 03/08/2021 14:35

For music in the kitchen, my suggestion would be a digital radio. There are stations for every taste- classical, rock, easy listening- and local radio which tends to be very accessible and has local news.

You could preset the channels, after asking him what he likes. Then there is no need to buy and store CDs etc.

I'm assuming he isn't tech savvy and wouldn't want an Alexa type device with a Spotify account, which is also very neat.

picklemewalnuts · 03/08/2021 14:50

Also, I have to confess to not having read all of the last thread. I'm up to mid September!

Apologies if this has already been covered or isn't relevant- I have cultivated a joy in donating to charity shops. If I've bought double, or got excess, I take it to the charity shop.

Sometimes I wobble and try and rescue things, then I remember that it's much better the beautiful jumper that doesn't match anything I own goes to someone who will get pleasure out of it now, rather than when she finds a suitable skirt!
The beautiful vase that I never use could be regularly filled with flowers in someone else's house.

If I accidentally send something I wish I'd kept, well it's not the end of the world. There will be other lovely vases.

My biggest problem is things of no value- half used toiletries that don't suit, empty pump bottles that could be refilled. I find the junk far harder to let go of than the valuable stuff!

I have two full tubs of prescription skin cream from before my dad died. They are past their date, so can't really be given away. I'm going to put them on FB in case someone can use them for greasing machinery, or washing their oily hands!

FiloPasty · 03/08/2021 19:20

I’ve just sat and read the whole thread and think you are wonderful, what a mammoth task!
Are there any rooms you’ve not got to yet?
I’ve been cleaning out our garage for the last month, and it’s really made me reassess what I bring into the house. It has become a huge dumping ground, and it’s taken a lot of work.
Sending Flowers and a big G&T for you!

QualityMarguerite · 04/08/2021 00:18

I like Alexa and Amazon music - amazing as it plays me anything I fancy. I make eccentric playlists and Alexa does her whimsical thing and sometimes we make magic!

I did hit the cellar. Ew some filthy just fed swollen grey bellied spider monsters! Horrific! I wish you no more beasties!

EatingTheElephantInChunks · 04/08/2021 11:41

Hello again everyone, thank you to pickle, Filo and Marg and a warm welcome too to Filo.

Glad you lived to tell the tale, Marg - they do not sound nice at all! It was moths for me yesterday. For example, one just sauntered across the top of the new freezer right next to where I was cutting bread for soup with my friend, bold as brass as if it owned the place, and sat down for a little rest as if it didn't have a care in the world. I think generations of moths are just used to having the run of the place. They have occupied and claimed the space, as pickle would say. Wink

Speaking of pickle - fear not, I think you have done quite well to get as far as last September! You are in good company as I see there are some real rebels on this thread - not reading the whole of thread one, posting on thread two before thread one was completely full - completely riotous behaviour, basically, and we're all doomed. Luckily, I quite like rebels. Wink

My condolences on the loss of your father, pickle. Flowers The idea for the skin cream sounds like a good one if you are ready to let go of it now. I think you are spot on about charity shops and finding new homes for other things, as far as is possible. A lot of things have gone to the nearest charity shop - particularly, I seem to remember, when I cleared a smaller bedroom for my friend to move into - and also a food bank. Some of those things could definitely have been sold - including a musical instrument - but I had to weigh up the time and trouble it would have taken to do that. It was far better - and easier and quicker - to donate them all to charity, let the people the charity help benefit from the sales and let the purchasers have the use and the pleasure from them. Luckily, my friend is of the same mind and leaves me to it now unless I judge that I need to check with him. There are many more things though that can't be donated easily or at all, because of dust, damp, insects and - sorry to say - expiry dates. I started off thinking, I'll put that to one side as someone will use that or I'll bag those up and dust or wash them at a later date, but experience and posters on this thread have helped me to be much better at putting those things straight into the rubbish or recycling bag. They have served their purpose or not here for my friend, the time and space - physical space and head space - is more important, and the elephant - or mammoth, as Filo would say - here I am eating is just too big - especially on top of my other commitments in life - to faff around to that extent. See herd, I do listen - thank you.

About the music for the kitchen, Marg and pickle - I know he wouldn't want an Alexa or anything like that. As good as you make it sound, Marg (!), he would find it intrusive and be a little suspicious of it too. A digital radio sounds like a good idea but he would still like to be able to play his CDs and vinyl too - he has plenty already and can't really listen to them easily. They would give him a lot of pleasure so I don't intend to suggest he get rid of them, although I think he might thin them out a little bit once we've got them all together - which is perfectly fine. I bought him a portable record player as a Christmas or birthday gift a while ago and perhaps when the kitchen is finished he could use it there sometimes, so I wonder if a compact digital radio/CD player combined would be the thing? Any thoughts, anyone?

Well done on your garage work, Filo. Yes, there are very definitely other rooms still to do! I don't like to think of them because I find it too overwhelming - I find it wise to keep my blinkers on. If you are forcing me, after the kitchen and a quick redo of the bathroom and my friend's temporary bedroom, then the next priorities will be the room-sized hall, the sitting room and my friend's bedroom. After that, I refuse to contemplate and you can't make me!

And on that note, I'd better stop drinking tea and get a wriggle on.

Still no update, I know.

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Pashazade · 04/08/2021 12:15

This is a cute little beastie.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-AZ215B-Portable-Player-Compact/dp/B01IVQW8SQ/ref=ascdff_B01IVQW8SQ/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=229866287170&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=971576291636844597&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006779&hvtargid=pla-386116094350&psc=1&th=1&psc=1

I'd not worry about getting a digital radio unless you know you get a good signal. We're in the middle of the south east but digital signal is naff in this house. Also odd walls tend to be thick and disrupt radio signals!

Pashazade · 04/08/2021 12:18

For future use Wink

Please will you kindly support and advise me, as I try to help a friend sort out his home? THREAD 2
cakeandchampagne · 04/08/2021 21:17

@EatingTheElephantInChunks Smile I was thinking of things like a hook for his keys, hanging a framed diploma, etc.

Herecomesthesun70 · 04/08/2021 23:01

Nelly.
I posted on your last thread under the name wishywsshywoowoo
My parents home is so bad now. I had to clean the loo last week before I could have a wee
My aunt was due there and I was so embarrassed I had to leave.
My nerves won't let me be there more than 5 minutes. The clutter is wall to wall now and it's filthy.
I don't know they can live in there. It's affecting me as I get so irate at people leaving a mess at home because I can't handle it after seeing fb that mess

QualityMarguerite · 04/08/2021 23:33

Your poor friend - and poor you! My dh loves to hold on to things and when he became unwell we nearly disappeared under piles. It has taken some time to get back and now I crave order. It’s easy to see how it happens though and how hard it is to change.

EatingTheElephantInChunks · 05/08/2021 09:16

Hello again everyone, thank you to cake, Pash, Here and Marg and a warm welcome back to Here. Flowers

Thank you for your understanding, Marg. It sounds like you have been through a tough time and I hope things are on the up for you again. It is interesting that you crave order now. My friend has said that he actively avoids the rooms I haven't done now when he can and feels much more uncomfortable in them than he did before. I wonder if that, at least in part, is a similar thing.

Thank you for coming back to post, Here, and for letting me know how things are going for you and your parents now. I'm so sorry to hear things seem to have got worse, not better, and can understand you are really struggling with this. As worried as you are about your parents' home, you must look after yourself in this situation too. Thinking of you.

Two very good ideas there, cake, thank you - I see what you meant now! Smile

And Pash - that looks just the thing, both of them! You're right, I don't know about the digital signal at my friend's but I do know the thick walls do cause issues with other things.

I'm not going to say 'update to follow' again because you'll all roll your eyes. Gin

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EatingTheElephantInChunks · 05/08/2021 11:46

Overdue update part one.

As one fridge door opens, another closes....

After even more faffing about by the retailer, I am delighted to report that the shiny new fridge - DF? Dear Fridge? - has been delivered, allowed to settle, cleaned, plugged in, nicely filled after a supermarket van came a'callin' and it even actually works! They collected the faulty one at the same time. The all-essential tea-making station is now back atop it, with 'right proper' teabag jars and a pot for sugar, a small selection of favourite mugs on a tree and a new worktop saver and teapot, re-found milk jug and new electric kettle. I can also happily report, better late than never and especially for Paws, that 'everything stopped for tea' at the table with milk fresh from the fridge and the cat had a few drops too but don't tell anyone because cats aren't supposed to have cows' milk these days.

Alas, just after celebrating this very happy event, things took a dastardly turn. I went to re- vacuum my friend's temporary bedroom and, after a short time, The Henry - my trusted companion and reliable little workhorse throughout most of this - stopped working and refused to turn back on. I changed his bag but that didn't help and I knew it wasn't the fuse as his little red light was still shining, so it seemed that it was something much more serious. I felt quite forlorn. Either Dear Henry - DH? - would need repairs, or it was terminal and he would need replacing. Either way, I would be without a vacuum cleaner for a bit which would, frustratingly, delay me again and it would also be a very unexpected bill - Henrys usually go on forever, don't they?! Another example of the highs and lows of this rollercoaster ride. I packed up and went home on quite a low that night, despite the new fridge. I would have to sort it out tomorrow.

But all, as it turned out, was not lost. When I went back the next day he was working again, as good as new! It seems, like me especially after the episode of moonlit Dreaded Appliance wrestling, he just needed a little rest.

All shall be well and every storm shall pass - even for overheating Henrys and overwhelmed elephants. Flowers

And yes, I'm aware I'm probably over-identifying with an inanimate object here. Must be the nose.

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SpringCrocus · 05/08/2021 11:59

I'm a bit concerned that you mentioned finishing the kitchen and then "... and a quick redo of the bathroom and my friend's temporary bedroom,..." before moving to start another room.

Does that mean your friend is refilling the rooms?

Because if so, is he really improving/getting the message?

SpringCrocus · 05/08/2021 12:02

Ah, just read your update, looks like you just meant vacuuming!

1vandal2 · 05/08/2021 12:25

You've probably got a load of wet gunk jamming up the pole of the hoover. I had to clean my one out very frequently at work because of wet gunk. Just running water through it outside detached from the hoover works fine.

EatingTheElephantInChunks · 05/08/2021 19:30

Overdue update part two.

Why does it always rain on me?..

As the kitchen progresses, one important thing is - or so it seems to me - to get some natural daylight coming in and for my friend to be able to enjoy looking out at his garden, the wildlife and weather. For reasons of privacy - and the cold and draughts in the winter with the large and original single-glazed windows - my friend has been living behind closed curtains and blinds downstairs for a very long time.

With this in mind, I clambered back up on to the windowsill, took down the tatty old blind and re-cleaned the window, sill and surrounds. My, those spiders and moths have been busy again since last time I was up there. There was a giant spider - by British standards! - looking suspiciously like the one who jumped at me and like he might do it again. I threatened him with the vacuum hose and luckily he backed down and scurried away. My luck ran out though when I discovered that the new voile curtain I had planned to put up was too short! I must have ordered it for another window but decided to put it up in the kitchen instead, not realising that the kitchen window is even taller than the others. It was a bit of a blow to discover this atop the step ladder, having fed the wire through and got the gathering just right for privacy. I have ordered another longer one but will have to wait for it to arrive - another delay.

My next job was to try to improve the look of the old blind before I put it back up. It might seem like a waste of time and effort as it is quite old and tatty and does need replacing, but it doesn't seem wise to buy a new one until there are less moths, less damp and the repairs and decorating have been done. I had vacuumed the visible part of it last time but it hadn't made enough of a difference, and no doubt it holds the smell of damp, former food and so on. I unrolled it fully outside, vacuumed it again and then gave it a good scrub on both sides with a pan scourer and a solution of washing up liquid and disinfectant in lukewarm water, but without saturating it. There were so many vacated moth cocoons and spiders' webs to scrub off, and - would you believe?! - even a snail or slug trail. I have seen snails on the outside of windows before, but how on earth did that get on a blind inside?! Anyway, it looks and probably smells a lot better now, although far from perfect obviously with fading, a couple of black mould marks and quite a few - thankfully tiny - moth holes. Just as I finished washing it, it started to rain - typical! It was hard to know what to do with a large blind that needs to be fully dry before dark tonight to go back up. It is currently over the washing line under a large garden parasol - fingers crossed it works and that it hasn't shrunk. Gin

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EatingTheElephantInChunks · 05/08/2021 19:55

Overdue update part three.

Take pleasure and pride in the small things if you can, even the chores...

There has been another 'first' or at least 'the first time for a very, very long time,' in that washing up has been done at the sink. There is a new washing up bowl, another new bowl for rinsing, a new drainer, a new sink tidy, pan scrub and washing up sponge. Liquid soap and washing up liquid are to hand. There's a clean tea towel and a spare. Sure, until the plumbing is sorted out, water has to be heated in the kettle and cold water comes via large bottles I fill for him from the outdoor tap, but it is another step in the right direction. He will be able to wash up looking out at his garden and watching the birds. He doesn't have to use the 'outdoor kitchen' I made him temporarily anymore, unless he wants to, and can wash up indoors especially if it is raining, cold or dark. He told me happily that he'd washed up last night before going to bed without any difficulty and there was pride in his voice.

There is pleasure and pride in the small things, even the chores - especially when you haven't been able to take being able to do something very simple for granted for years and years. Flowers

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EatingTheElephantInChunks · 05/08/2021 20:02

My updates are like buses and men or so I'm told, none for ages and then they all come along at once. Wink

There is something else, but I'll have to think what it is I've forgotten and come back.

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EatingTheElephantInChunks · 06/08/2021 08:48

Hello again everyone and thank you to vandal and Spring. Flowers

Good news about the blind. It had shrunk a little bit widthways but not enough to cause a problem. It had dried under the parasol except for a large teardrop splodge, initially making me think a bird must have got under there and done what birds sometimes do on washing (!) but fortunately it must have just got splashed by water dripping off the parasol as I brought it in. And it looks surprisingly good! Not like new, of course, but much better than expected. The marks have dried lighter, for example. There really wasn't much to lose by attempting to scrub it, so I'm glad I took the risk. My friend has privacy until the new voile comes and will still need the blind to cut down on draughts and to close at night, voile becoming quite transparent when the light is on. The chunks of the window and sink look like someone cares now, with the clean window, blind and windowsill, a framed photo, a few beachcombing treasures and so on and with the shiny well- equipped sink in front. Hopefully it will encourage regular washing up. Wink

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Ulysses · 06/08/2021 08:58

That's a beautiful essay on washing up by a window. I remember doing one of those cleaning regimes a few years back and the first job was to clean the sink and make is shiny so you'd want to use it.

It's such a focal point for keeping on track with cleaning.

I'm so glad your friend is finding the benefit of it too.

Chemenger · 06/08/2021 09:18

For the voile, if the window is very tall just hang the curtain part of the way down to instead of at the top. You could have the blind partly down to the top of the curtain or just leave the top part clear to let in more light. If there is a bar across the window hang the curtain in line with that. Of course maybe that’s what you were already doing, in which case just ignore me. It sounds like your friend is really seeing the benefits of what you are doing.