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Hoarder's Anonymous, Part 6

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Solo · 10/06/2021 23:56

Well, here we are embarking upon part 6 of our epic journey of sorting out our homes.

We are a varied group of likeminded householders that are leading somewhat challenging lives; be that living with too much 'stuff' that we find difficult to deal with, houses that are falling apart (mine included), health issues within the family unit, wider family, or ourselves that makes sorting out our households challenging, to say the least. So...

Anyone and everyone is welcome to join us for support, adding their own ideas to help others out, storage ideas, even tips on actually getting those items out of the house which sounds so simple when you say it. Encouragement abounds here, and we do not criticise. EVER! We even try not to criticise ourselves as it's not helpful to anyone.
If you are feeling overwhelmed, don't know where to start, can't be bothered but really do want to be bothered...think you are lazy, just need to see it in print here...we'll help. We'll virtually fist bump your achievements - small or large, and virtually hug you when the need arises, and if you want a hug, just ask because we are here for you. Here for one another because we get it - the highs and the lows, the art of washing up is sometimes our great achievement of the day, but it's still an achievement.

Welcome to thread #6 of Hoarders Anonymous - Carrying On Sorting It Out

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Elleherd · 20/08/2022 14:38

Miaowse you’re spot on! Once the pressure is off, so is the interest, made worse by everyone’s work schedules, with September being crazy time, and the one I haven’t gone into; aunts flat, needing properly clearing before then.

Everyone else feels the sensible answer is to hold onto the storage and then clear at leisure. I can see their point, but they can afford to hold that view, and that’s what we’ve supposedly been doing for years, which is how we’ve ended up with this situation. As soon as the pressure is off I’m left trying to deal with what’s been piled high, from a wheelchair on my own, getting criticism for injuring myself.
Everything I can get out takes me twice the time and effort, and I can’t access the dump alone.
I can't even get into one of the units as someone else has dumped a stack of boxes bang in the wheelchair access space in the entrance. They aren't expecting to remove them before October!
At this point I’m getting a £30pw contribution to storage bill which doesn’t touch the sides.

It’s inevitable we prioritize the time we have with those we care about over sorting out what doesn’t seem important at the time, as we know we can always do it any other time. However, as I've learnt the hard way, we can’t see what may be around the corner that’s going to change everything.

CurseYouPerryThePlatypus That sounds like a smart and cunning plan! Grin Hope you have a lovely holiday.

MarthaMayWhovier Well done you! In its own way it honestly does get a bit easier as you go. Keep the momentum up if you can.

This weekend is the last two days of guaranteed help from Ds, but we’re both in poor shape. Both of us have a shoulder out of joint and I’m struggling with Chrons impacting everything. The more positive thing is despite a couple of close calls, we’ve managed (so far) to not end up in a row.
Yesterday wasn’t very productive with neither of us able to work well, but the same number of hours, miles and fuel, put in, but I took my own advice and took a wet bathroom mat with me to the top floor unit, and returned with a bone dry one!

We are minus: one corrugated plastic tube, a door, and wait for it: a newspaper! (I couldn’t bear to only have two things go, three felt better, even if a little silly!)
Just got it to dump, and we're about to go back and see what can be achieved.

Nordicmom · 20/08/2022 15:52

We’re about to leave for the airport so wish us luck !
a few things I found last night :
-1 pair of my designer sunglasses I don’t like that I might sell
-1 pair of unused DD small trainers to charity
-1 more fraying bra insert
-1 more pair of old pants
-1 old pyjama shirt
-2 sheets of old medicines

Nordicmom · 20/08/2022 15:54

Hah was meant to put that on the decluttering thread …

zebrashoes · 20/08/2022 22:47

Some productive people on this thread, well done!
@Elleherd hope the last day of help is useful.
The disabled access blocking sounds very dodgy!

I don't have a car so have contacted a few charities to see if any can collect some items, as one of you said to me it doesn't hugely matter which charity as long as things go. We actually did bring quite a bit more to the shop with the grumpy guy, I figured why does he have to smile all the time anyway!
I've put a lot of items on local selling sites, especially heavy or bulky things as even if I get hardly any (or no) money it's easier for me than getting them to the tip.
I'm going to tackle some boxes/drawers of souvenirs and see if I can get rid of some. It won't be hugely satisfying in terms of space cleared but it's hopefully going to help with the decluttering of the mind part of all this.

Elleherd · 21/08/2022 13:54

Nordicmom Good luck and have fun.

zebrashoes It’s very frustrating tbh.
Well done with dealing with grumpy face guy fruitfully! You sound like you’re making progress.
If you can let things go free, BHF theoretically will collect furniture, household etc from you, and I’ve found Trash Nothing, Freegle, and Gumtree good for outing things here in the past, however not in the area the storage unit is in, it’s like a whole different country in terms of what people do and don’t want! So I guess some of its area dependent.
Well done for looking at the benefits of practicing de-cluttering the mind. (general advice is should you find it too hard going with the category you choose, aim at an easier target for the time being.)

Yesterday didn’t go too well tbh, both of us in too much pain and Ds focused on Monday as if the weekend had already gone, as he started getting emails. (a lesson for me to take note of) Today's not off to a good start either.
But we did get a bit more general clearing up done. Identified two items to go, but after discovering Ds actually hadn’t done the last dump run, decided to leave them there for today’s haul, but brought back two bags of plastic bottles that we’re about to drop in recycling on our back way up to the unit now.

Miaowse · 21/08/2022 14:29

It’s hard to keep up the momentum and you are doing so well. Will post properly later.

Nordicmom · 21/08/2022 18:13

We made it ! We are all the way in Mauritius and the weather is beautiful! My first swim in nearly two years was worth the wait in our own little villa pool . DH and kids explored further but I only managed a lunch at a restaurant after we arrived , and a swim and a room service dinner at the villa .I can’t sleep on planes and have been awake for a day and half so by now I’m falling asleep everywhere . We have a week to enjoy our first trip out of Europe for nearly 3 y . Then more drudgery when we get home .

Miaowse · 22/08/2022 08:56

That sounds idyllic NordicMum.

Good luck everyone, keep on keeping on.

Elleherd · 23/08/2022 13:59

Nordicmom Mauritius!!! Wow!

Miaowse keep on keeping on. I wrote the update below on word before I read the thread. You couldn't have proffered a better four words.

Update is Sunday didn't go that well either sadly, though got a bit more organizing done and there is one more sack out, but it's currently stuck in vehicle along with bottles that I forgot to take to recycling.
Yesterday made the mistake of stopping and it all caught up with me and
I keeled over all together. However, it’s given the shoulder a chance to heal, so some good from it at least.

Bunch of emails and phone calls this morning have changed a few things and am struggling to know what to do for the best at this point and where to focus.

It looks like I have to reassess my priorities at this point, as if I don’t get aunts flat sorted by what looks to be a shorter deadline, it now looks like that would cost me even more than the storage situation. On the other hand I’ve given notice on the storage.

Getting a lot of told you so’s, and a general sense of failure, and need to keep reminding myself that we’re in the position we’re in with all the different issues, because IMO we didn’t do enough earlier, not because it just can’t be done, but it is a bit demoralizing.

Miaowse · 24/08/2022 08:58

It must feel like one set back after another, but you are making progress in the face of adversity Elleherd Star

It definitely sounds as though your family/helpers are still very resistant to dealing with all the stuff and so drag their heels and look for reasons to give up. Hard to keep on keeping on when you’ve got that going on too Flowers

How are you feeling about everything now? The situation with the aunt’s flat sounds very stressful especially the unexpected deadline when you’ve already got an existing tight deadline.

Is your aunt’s flat very cluttered? Would a house clearance company be a possibility once you have done a first pass and taken out anything very valuable/loved? (I have no idea how much that service costs so might not be an option). I can’t quite remember the history, doubly hard if you are also grieving while coping with this stressful clear out.

How would you feel about posting in the main housekeeping board to see if any local MN people would lend a hand? Some people love decluttering/sorting so would probably see it as a treat! I know I would never do this for my own place, but if it was for your aunt’s flat it removes that immediate visceral shame of having someone into your space (or maybe that’s just me) and you could always name change for the new thread to keep it separate.

Good luck with everything and hope you are feeling better today. May it be a cool day of easy decisions!

MarthaMayWhovier · 24/08/2022 22:03

I've thrown out a book ds peed on and a dinosaur ds stood on and snapped.
Apart from that, I haven't got rid of anything since last week. And I've bought stuff I didn't need from Vinted and a new charity shop near me. I'm feeling really fed up with myself.
My mum bought lots of new toys for ds at the weekend as well.

Miaowse · 24/08/2022 22:54

I put another book I re-read in the charity shop box yesterday and chucked some rubbish from my desk while on a long call. I also swept a few sections of floor in the kitchen & living room & chucked various bits of paper and old packaging at the same time.

I needed to get to the back of a high cupboard earlier so took everything out. Several plastic cups and a microwave cooker that I saved in my last clearout felt all tacky and none have been used for goodness knows how long. I’ve left them out of the cupboard & think I might feel ready to let them go. It’s nice to be able to get things on and off the shelf without risking an avalanche.

Elleherd · 25/08/2022 11:34

MarthaMayWhovier Feeling fed up with ourselves goes with the territory. Sometimes it’s just small detours on a journey, sometimes it’s indicative of things that need to be tackled.
Would you be able to look at the bulk of new stuff give it a ‘sq foot, or X sacks size’ and attempt to dispose of the equivalent size of old stuff? It doesn’t have to be in one hit, more a work towards... (you are down by the space of a dinosaur and a book already)

One of the hardest things I found about stopping acquiring, was facing up to why I did it in the first place, and what it was a substitute for, and why it had apparently become out of control. (I say out of control because I could see I had nowhere for anything to go, and yet there I was constantly bringing in more regardless.)
For me, in the end, stopping going into shops, and onto sites had to happen before I could start fathoming it all out. While I didn’t understand why at the time, I knew I was effectively addicted to acquiring and the strange sense of wellbeing it temporally brought, in all forms, and cutting off the suppliers I was paying was a first step.

If the influx of toys isn’t welcome, but you don’t want to upset mum, could you ask her to limit it to small items only.

Miaowse No reason why you’d keep up with my mad family machinations. But I think you have the flavour of the lot of us here. Resistant to dealing with the stuff!
I do like the idea of asking for help, but not sure it’s appropriate.
And no, it’s certainly not ‘just you’ who suffers ‘immediate visceral shame!’

Well done with the sensible systematic clearing and leaving out the stuff that doesn’t need to return. Enjoy the avalanche free shelf.

Not expecting anyone to absorb any of this but explaining forces me to rationalize what I’m doing.
Aunt is technically Great Aunt. She had a fall about a year and a half ago, went into hospital and things have been up and down ever since.
After another hospital spell earlier this year, respite care was agreed to allow physio, and get her place sorted out.
I’ve been slowly sorting her place out thinking I had to mid-September to do it. It’s my fault, I got it completely wrong and she’s actually overdue to leave, having over stretched all funding avenues. I was apparently informed of the change of dates and simply forgot!

In a nutshell in under two weeks’ time I’ll be being charged either the respite home fees or rent and CT on her home if she isn’t back in it, but it needs to be passed acceptable first.

The worst is actually done, it was very cluttered, and I suppose still is fairly, just organised so it’s functional, and she can move around safely. She did allow me to get rid of lots of out of date food etc and obvious rubbish.

Thinking I had plenty of time to sort, I’ve actually further cluttered the living room by piling up all the bags of random things and loose items that that didn’t have any obvious place in there.

It also has an area of damage (ceiling and two walls) that still needs sorting, and while I can paint using a pole roller, the actual repairs are beyond me.
There’s also an iced-up freezer of doom with bulging door in the kitchen still.

Everyone wants me to just crate everything up and take it to storage so it can be later sorted there, and get the repairs done, using one of the last two days of help allocated to clearing the storage unit to do this instead. (thus, keeping the storage unit!)

I can see the logic but am completely against it. It’s the same old pattern, box everything up for a fast get out of trouble solution and breathe. But IME something else will then happen and I’ll be left with the storage bill that I can’t afford, and paying high fuel costs to go to try and sort it there instead of in situ, with toilet facilities dangerously far away, (burns up a lot of energy constantly having to get to them too) and everyone else will be too busy to assist with anything.
It feels like it takes each short term problem and instead of actually solving it, turns it fully into entirely mine, long term.

Probably the worst of both worlds but currently have decided to try and spend the next few days hard at sorting, clearing, and reassess the situation when I’ve seen how much I can or can’t get done.

Miaowse · 25/08/2022 14:15

Oops, apologies for getting totally the wrong end of the stick!!

I very much agree with your analysis:

“It feels like it takes each short term problem and instead of actually solving it, turns it fully into entirely mine, long term”

No advice and it sounds as through there is no obvious right thing to do but for what it’s worth I’d do the same as you and get as much done as possible there then reassess closer to the deadline.

Is there any help available from social services? Probably not, but might be worth a call just in case.

MarthaMayWhovier · 25/08/2022 22:25

Out today:

  • Another book DS peed on (toilet training not going well Sad )
  • A smashed glass
  • The bouncy egg that broke said glass
MarthaMayWhovier · 25/08/2022 22:35

Elleherd I have been doing a lot of thinking about why I keep buying stuff I don't need. I hope I'll have an epiphany soon and never buy unnecessary stuff again. It might partly be a self-esteem thing. I get a temporary little hit from buying myself stuff.
I think I might overbuy for my son to compensate for my failings as a mother. It sounds so silly saying that. I know toys don't buy love.

zebrashoes · 26/08/2022 22:46

@Elleherd I'm copying a chunk of what you wrote because it resonates strongly.

One of the hardest things I found about stopping acquiring, was facing up to why I did it in the first place, and what it was a substitute for, and why it had apparently become out of control. (I say out of control because I could see I had nowhere for anything to go, and yet there I was constantly bringing in more regardless.)
For me, in the end, stopping going into shops, and onto sites had to happen before I could start fathoming it all out. While I didn’t understand why at the time, I knew I was effectively addicted to acquiring and the strange sense of wellbeing it temporally brought, in all forms, and cutting off the suppliers I was paying was a first step.

All the clothes I buy are like a collection, I buy things I won't wear.
Alongside the physical decluttering I'm unsubscribing from lots of websites urging me to buy more. I bought two small unnecessary items today, very cheap, might just throw them in the charity pile.

@MarthaMayWhovier self-esteem does come into it I think, I buy for the me I'd like to be.

It's not only clothes, also things for the house, cleaning products, napkins, random stuff. I've managed to seriously cut down on buying toiletries.

I spend a lot of time looking at websites where I could buy more things, trying to do less of that.

Aim for the weekend two more drawers of doom to clear.

@Elleherd sorry people are making the issues your problem. It sounds like a lot of pressure.

@Nordicmom enjoy your holiday.

All, keep on keeping on, even small steps are still steps.

Solo · 26/08/2022 23:18

Hello! First of all, I apologise for not being around. I also apologise for not going through all your posts as I just cannot find the time or energy to do it.

As you all know, my mum had a bad flood at her house which took a hell of a lot of my time and energy and to cap it all, she was taken very ill on the first day of the insurance work in July resulting in her being admitted to hospital and we thought we were going to lose her; it was very fortunate that I popped by to her place after work - which I probably wouldn't have done if the insurance work wasn't beginning as I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be here if I hadn't. Just as she was getting better (!), she caught covid and was quite poorly again which extended her stay in hospital. She's currently staying with her brother and I went away on holiday and due to the amount of pressure, stress and just simply overdoing things, have had a bit (haha!) of a relapse with my ME so I simply did nothing for the first 8/9 days. I still have so much to get done at mum's place, and I can't stop now although I have had a couple of days of not going there.
Needless to say - I'm sure, I've done naught in my own house.

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Elleherd · 27/08/2022 22:22

Miaowse Thursday and Friday were actually spent being harassed by adult social services. I realise their job’s hard and stressful, but no where do I hear any real care and concern for aunt as a person.

It’s actually really helpful to hear someone else say it sounds as though there is no obvious right thing to do as it is what it feels like.

MarthaMayWhovier
I very much doubt they’re your failings as a mother, even though that’s how we’re trained to see ourselves. There’s lots of research out there on how toys are marketed to us as parents and the idea that especially working mothers can be subliminally coaxed to buy things to relieve feelings of guilt about spending time away from children and home. I believe it’s called ‘time deficit paybacks.’

I had very little as a child and did the classic trying to give my children everything. Toys don’t buy love, but I did love playing with my children with them and do wonder if some of it isn’t trying to make up for what I didn’t have.
BTW I too have a bouncy egg! (keeping it though! Blush)

zebrashoes
All the clothes I buy are like a collection, I buy things I won't wear.

My clothes buying (for myself) was mainly painfully boring and practical and often connected to £7 off £40 spend supermarket vouchers, or at charity shops. I only really wear the charity shop stuff.
Some years back I tried to boost my self-esteem by going out and buying nice clothes, new, for the first time. End result was a wardrobe of lovely things I didn’t have anywhere to wear and felt I wasn’t really worthy of wearing. It did teach me that there is a different life/image that I at least think I want though, and that’s worth thinking about, as many of us are ‘filling a void.’

Well done on unsubscribing from temptation!
Good luck with the drawers of doom!

Solo just always pleased to see you and know you’re ‘afloat.’
Sorry you’ve had a close call with your mum, and it’s set your own problems off. It really is always the blooming way though. We call it tsunami cycles here – you keep thinking ‘well that’s the worst of it’ and along comes the next one. It is made harder when it quietly gifts you things like right place right time to avert even worse disaster!
I’ve already learnt the hard way most of us can’t do two houses at once, just managing to do one whilst basically maintaining the other (usually slowly losing!) and it’s people, is hard enough.

Elleherd · 27/08/2022 22:22

Today’s not gone as well as hoped but superficially tidied the worst of aunts front garden before it exploded out of control, and found a box of out of date food, and 16 (!) out of date two litre drinks bottles, just at the point I thought I done all the stuff like that, as well as a few bits of paper and a couple of newspapers.

Trying to make plans for tomorrow. Do have to remember to take tools to cut a couple of brambles back. Her garden tools are totally unusable and could go if I can convince her...

Miaowse · 27/08/2022 23:44

Elleherd I’m cross on your behalf that adult social services are harassing you rather than offering support to get the house ready for your aunt. I should have realised - experience with a different arm of council support services taught me they do anything to wriggle out of statutory duties. A bit of empathy and treating people as people rather than problems would make a big difference.

Solo thank goodness you called over with your mum. I think you often get sick when the immediate stress is removed, but what a shame it spoiled so much of your holiday.

Miaowse · 28/08/2022 10:29

I tackled a bit of my hideously messy desk. Still messy but better than before. The kitchen progress has been largely maintained, but no great gains.

MarthaMayWhovier your point about overbuying as compensation for a perceived failing is very relatable. And the point Elleherd made about the links with one’s own childhood is very interesting so I’m pondering that.

Solo · 28/08/2022 23:58

MarthaMayWhovier based on the comment above from Miaowse I went up-thread a bit to read your comment, and I am completely with you on that. I have got a lot better about not buying loads of stuff, but I do still do it with foodie stuff.

Thanks Elleherd and Miaowse re my issues. It's been so hard.

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Elleherd · 31/08/2022 12:54

Solo for what it’s worth I think we can all see that life’s not currently working out that well for you Sad to put it mildly. It must be very worrying and stressful and I hope you get a break from it sooner rather than later.

The food buying, retaining thing is a really difficult one, because we have to eat, and many of us have to plan on eating as cheaply as possible, and always having available food.

I did try taking photographs of my cupboards, and fridge and of a freezer list with me shopping.

Miaowse @wriggling out of statutory duties’ sums it up perfectly. Not that aunt is helping there, but she's understandably scared of losing her independence.
‘Better than before’ and ‘maintained’ are all successes.

Three days of doing did far too little, but the Chrons is back with a vengeance. If I eat, all hell lets loose, if I don’t eat I’m exhausted and lethargic.
Have managed to get more ‘keep it all from exploding too much' garden maintenance done at aunts, which wasn’t really intended, but it does mean I can at least hopefully ignore it for several days which is going to be needed as I suspect I’ll be in panic mode any day now.
Have been bitten badly by something and am paranoid about it following me home.

Did manage to get the sack that’s been stuck in vehicle, out and into the bins.
Also found another eight two litre bottles at aunts while tidying/cleaning. How I missed them I don’t know, they were cunningly hiding in plain sight! Emptied but still waiting to go out.

Am about to go over there and start again.

CherryMargo · 31/08/2022 15:31

Welcome @MarthaMayWhovier and @zebrashoes! 🤗 I relate to every single thing you both have said!

@FiniteSagacity ‘I’d liberally held onto things until they had no value’

Same here 😞

@FiniteSagacity ‘I’d liberally held onto things until they had no value <...>
buying things feels good. Getting rid is harder’

💯 💯 💯

@FiniteSagacity 'doing your dishes/laundry/cleaning that day so you help the you that has to get through tomorrow’.

This is what keeps me going with my ‘shine your sink’ routine on a daily basis. I look at it as a daily gift from me to myself. I never know if next morning I am going to wake up with a migraine, feeling down or suffering from some terrible joint ache. But what I do know is that I will be greeted with a clean kitchen and an empty sink.

@Solo missed you lots, and so sorry that you’ve been dealing with so much lately! Flowers

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My cough finally cleared out by the end of the first week of August, just in time for my two-week holiday abroad. When I returned, I decluttered two worn-out pieces of clothing:

🩳 a pair of pijama bottoms. Small holes started to appear around one spot as if it was eaten by moths. But I have no moths in my apartment, and all of my wool items stay intact. In any case moths do not eat 100%-cotton items as it’s not suitable for their growth. I was contemplating if I should mend the trousers but there were at least six holes, and for the first time in a long time I couldn’t care less, so I just chucked.

👕 a black-and-white polka dot short sleeve round neck T-shirt which after five years of extensive wear had so many holes along the seams that if I wanted to mend it, it would be easier to undo all the seams, and restitch them. And nope, I wasn’t going to do that either. Especially that its colour faded a lot, too (even though my beloved Surf Perfect Black Washing Liquid made its colour last way longer than I expected).

As I am reading what I’ve just written, this kinda sounds like an excuse note. And I guess it is exactly what my psyche needs to hear to be sure that it is OK to let these items go (deep sigh).

As for the rest, no progress at all but I do have high hopes for September 🤞🏻