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With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background

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LadyInParis · 27/02/2021 15:02

So as above, I never had effective parents (so called father ditched when I was 2, mum then married stepfather when I was 4, and all I saw from then until she committed suicide when I was 13, was an alternate cycle between when she left him and became a happy and sober single wonderful mother who taught me how to be the kind genuine and considerate person I am today, and she was lots of fun, and the other half of the cycle where she got back with him, and exposed me to viewing extreme physical abuse from him to her, and then her subsequent drinking and not being present as a parent. I saw her being wheeled out by paramedics throwing up pills and so on, it was horrific, then she committed suicide when I was 13.)

So as a bit of background I was basically living in fear all of the time, and desperate need for validation and love, as well as the need to protect her and my little brother, it was all just pure emotional and physical trauma. Always basically in survival mode. Although she was a wonderful person and a wonderful mother when she was well (I understand this may be hard to understand- as on the face of it you could easily say she was the worst mother ever but.. I was there- and I can’t take away from her the wonderful things she taught me)

Anyway I digress! The point is from age 2 up until age 13, my life was one big mess of emotional chaos and trauma. From there, I was passed around from family member to family member, often in extremely toxic environments. I recall being around age 15/16 and running away. To avoid the streets I (unbelievably) went to stay with my stepdad (I know Hmm ) but I really didn’t want to live on the streets. After a while he sat me down and told me I had to leave. I was heartbroken thinking I had done something wrong. On the contrary- in his words (remember I was 15/16) I “reminded him too much of my mum and he ‘wanted’ me.” (This turned out later to be the tip of that vile iceberg). Then I went into the hands of social services who deemed me “too old” for proper housing with say foster care but too young yet for a real home of my own. In other words we can’t help you... so they put me in a bed and breakfast alone and gave me 5 pounds a day to live on. My life did improve to some extent and I ended up in college then university and then later got my own flat. By then I had run up huge debts. Was behind in many bills, and generally struggled to maintain or create any kind of proper home life schedule in terms of budgeting, shopping, paying bills and all of that stuff. I was often in the dark and freezing cold with no food because of my lack of skills meaning I had no money for those things. I struggled to maintain jobs, I just struggled. I was there for 7 years before I went to Paris, and met my now fiancé who I live with, in Paris, and he provides an excellent source of emotional support and has a very good job meaning that although I don’t work (I don’t speak the language despite living here for 3 years and I struggle to even go out) we don’t struggle for money. I am still clearly struggling to “be an adult”.

So when we first moved into this apartment (our second one) I was so happy. I had a cleaning cupboard, I kept it so lovely and clean and it was amazing. Then I suffered a really bad bout of long depression. And my fiancé and me let the place get out of control. Which made my depression and anxiety worse, and therefore my coping skills and house keeping skills worse. Like a cycle.

I have now gotten out of this cycle of depression and I want my home back!!! I want to learn to budget. I want to do shopping that doesn’t leave loads of out of date wasted food. I want to cook daily and clean daily (normal top up cleaning) and plan my budget and shopping around the weekly meals. He works so so hard to give us a wonderful life. I think the least I can do, instead of staying in bed depressed all day, is keep a nice home and cook dinner for us both, and do the food shopping (because when I got into my depression he was working hard, doing the shopping, getting my medicine, washing clothes, etc) and this really isn’t on. He’s been great about it, but that isn’t the point. I want to take all this stuff off his hands- he has recently become extremely stressed and quite unwell due to exhaustion and this was a big factor in me having my eyes forced open and waking me up to real life - pulling myself out of my depression. The shame of it!!

There are so many repairs I need to do. Painting too which is half finished. I need to also essentially clear out whole rooms to clean inside cupboards then re fill them after a sort out. I need to have a good sort through and get rid of clutter. I need to clean the sofa. I need to clean every single surface and continue the painting and do the repairs. All whilst implementing the new budget and cooking and shopping regime. I need to wash soooo many cushion covers and throws and clothes. I need to make space. There is so so so much that needs doing that I am just completely overwhelmed by it all. The whole place needs a complete overhaul, scrub, sort out and throw, clean, organise, and repairs as well as decorating finished. All whilst maintaining said food and shopping stuff as above.

I don’t know where to start, it’s all so overwhelming that I feel massively stressed at the idea of it all. It makes it so hard to just even start! I don’t know where to start! I have a list of all that needs doing, and I have made charts for budgets and things like that.

But practically speaking I don’t know where to start. All I see is the whole thing. I struggle to break it down in my mind. I’m lost.

Does anyone have any kind of advice or ideas on how I can start the process and see things I can do one at a time rather than seeing the whole thing and being overwhelmed? Has anyone been in similar, and gotten through it? And how? Anything would be helpful right now. I am so ashamed and I really really miss the beginning when we first moved in and I had my cleaning cupboard and everything was done to the T- I even used to dry the kitchen sink I was that “on top” of things. I miss that so terribly!

I never had a role model ever, to see how a house should be run. Although I know how, it was never ingrained in me and my mental health and trauma means that even though I technically “know” how to be a proper adult, it’s very hard for me to actually put it into place. Especially when I get depressed. Once our home is back to normal I know it’s so much easier to keep on top of. But how do I get back there? It’s so very overwhelming. I’m scared.

Please help?

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LadyInParis · 02/03/2021 07:30

Re the floor polish- I meant this will be the last thing I do overall. Get everything clean declutter repaired and painted, then final job will be to polish my beautiful floors 🥰

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Psychobobble · 02/03/2021 08:02

OP I love your posts. They are so warm and positive.

Have you ever been taught about "executive functioning"? It's the bit of your brain that is basically the secretary or the orchestra conductor if you prefer. It is very very common that people with a history of trauma (or adhd, or autism) have difficulties with executive functioning. So while all the parts of your brain work fine, the sort of "boss/secretary" bit doesn't. This means that people struggle with organisation, prioritisation, structuring, starting a task, conversely then stopping a task, dividing attention etc. This is very frustrating as all the brain bits work perfectly. Using the orchestra analogy, the violinist is playing their part and the tuba player and percussion are doing their bits but without the conductor organising it, setting pace, telling which player when to come in, it all ends up as a bit of a mess!

If you know about this you can do what you gave started to do - use external organisers, such as lists, prompts, alarms, bitesized tasks etc. Remember Rome wasn't built in a day. It's a typical executive functioning thing to see the vision at the end, (and it'll be a perfect vision probably, not a realistic part way through achievable one!) But be completely unable to work out the steps to get there. And a bit dissatisfied about the fact that there ARE intermittent steps! The advice you have had so far has been great. I particularly like the "altar" idea!

My top tip for cleaning is Audible or other story app. I listen to stories using headphones while cleaning. For me it works better than music though of course others do prefer music! It's because songs are quite short so easy to turn off whilst with my books I keep going longer to get to the end of the chapter or whatever!

Anyway best of good luck and well done with all your progress so far!

LadyInParis · 02/03/2021 08:08

@Psychobobble Thank you! I’m trying to stay positive instead of bashing myself Smile

I love all of your post- it makes perfect sense to me! I can see the end goal, but how to get there is so overwhelming as I think my conductor is a bit drunk/ lazy Grin thank you for wording it like this as it is so so right!

I think I’ll try the book thing because as you said music doesn’t always work. For me, music is an emotional thing so I would have to listen to upbeat music the whole time which would mean constantly looking and changing the songs and result in a headache at the end! It does help me sometimes- maybe at the start. But I am a massive bookworm so I think music to start to pep me up, then an audiobook to keep me going- great suggestion and a great post thank you!

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LadyInParis · 02/03/2021 08:09

I love the alter idea too! I have mine in a way- fireplace in lounge and another in bedroom that I can make my alter as I adore a fireplace! That I can add some flowers to, a candle or two etc. For my kitchen alter I think fresh flowers in a lovely vase by the sink. Great idea isn’t it!

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LadyInParis · 02/03/2021 08:11

And I have had some amazing advice on here!

Brava to every single poster! You’re wonderful Flowers

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DeborahAlisonphillipa · 02/03/2021 08:37

Your childhood sounds awful. I’m glad to hear you’re feeling on the up now. You’ve had a lot of advice on cleaning. Your mental health is improving but precarious and you seem a bit vulnerable as you’re not working and don’t speak french or mention any other family, friends or support in life. I worry about what would happen to you and your mental health if this relationship ended or something happened to your partner or their job. With the best will in the world, even the best relationships can end, even without one partner being depressed and the other suffering exhaustion etc. Do you think separate to housekeeping issues you might feel better if whilst you’re feeling stronger you took steps towards independence - language is a step closer to a job etc? The way that you mention your partner in your post I wonder if you feel a bit unequal in the relationship - he’s lovely, you feel guilty etc. I hope you find peace and security.

LadyInParis · 02/03/2021 08:57

@DeborahAlisonphillipa

Thank you for your lovely words. I think the unequal feeling is more my self esteem as opposed to him actually being perfect and me adding nothing but stress. Though it’s hard to see it that way because of my low esteem. I do have a small support group, and I’m doing okay. But long term I would like to be in a situation where I am more independent and able to be financially equal and independent. At the moment I have to just do what I can to feel better.. my home is a mess and that makes my mind worse so I want to tackle that, then I can focus on the more serious things once I am more stable in my home life and mental health. I do want to sort out therapy, a career, and hobbies as well as a proper group of friends here in Paris. But that’s so far out of reach at the moment. But it’s on the list Smile Thank you for being so lovely about that stuff- you are right of course. One step at a time and I will get there I am sure!!

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justilou1 · 02/03/2021 09:49

Wow! @LadyInParis, Everything that @Psychobobble had said has hit home for me as well! (I always do my cleaning with earphones and an audiobook!) I am a two-project kind of girl, too! I’m gobsmacked!

TheSilveryPussycat · 02/03/2021 10:15

I didn’t sleep at all last night. Oddly! So I think I will work through it and get on with work today since I am awake now. I can nap later on.

Please be careful. I have a diagnosis of bipolar, lack of sleep can lead to mania, and so can working for too long, and obsessively.

Good that you are tackling things, I regularly wrestle with keeping the house sorted, and the advice in this thread is helpful for me. Another vote for FlyLady, I amend the system to fit in with my mental style IYSWIM

SingToTheSky · 02/03/2021 10:18

Hope you don’t mind I’m signing in to read properly and discuss later. I have such struggles with this, I too didn’t learn as a child for various reasons and my crap executive function due to being autistic/ADHD mean it’s so bloody hard to build up habits. I am grateful you posted this 💐 and well done for wanting to get on top of it!

crackofdoom · 02/03/2021 20:06

I tried to cut and paste your reply to me OP, but I have a new laptop (have migrated from Windows to Mac), and a lot of the commands I'm used to don't work any more!

It actually sounds like you're doing pretty well, having got out chatting to people in Paris, shame all the cafes are closed now. I know EXACTLY what you mean about technically knowing quite a bit of French, but not understanding people when they speak- this is my level of French too! I think it's a difficult language in that respect- I found Italian much easier in comparison.

Also know what you mean about Parisian waiters and shop staff, and their rudeness. I used to work in Paris quite a lot, escorting tours of American high school students- can you imagine the culture clash?!- and used to get very upset by Parisian rudeness....until I watched a few Parisian-on-Parisian interactions and realised that it's not just because you're a foreigner, they can be pretty bloody to each other as well. For some reason, that made me feel happier about the whole thing...

Do you do Facebook, OP? I'm imagining there must be a lot of useful FB groups in Paris...British expats, people who'd like to swap foreign conversation skills, free stuff to give away in your neighbourhood, local fellow pet owners, all that kind of thing....?

Living in Venice was kind of great....there was a big employment problem in Italy as a whole (still is, probably), so I kind of existed hand to mouth, I was a student, so living 4 to a one bed apartment wasn't so much of a hardship then, and was made up for by all the beauty!

LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 07:13

Ugh I’m sweating cobs!! Been cleaning the kitchen for the last few hours (started 4am couldn’t sleep) it’s not far off finished cleaning wise! Thank goodness! I’ll post pics and reply properly when done! Smile wish me luck for the last bits! Just having a rest. I snapped- I couldn’t take anymore haha. He bought us a plug in oven since the apartment doesn’t come with oven- only hob and microwave. It’s been ages I have wanted this for! So he bought a plug in big oven, and some new utensils for the kitchen and I was dying to use them (strange I know- but I haven’t baked in so long or been able to do any normal oven cooking!) and I said we are not putting nice new stuff in that gross mess. Then I couldn’t use my nice stuff! So.. I snapped and just started at 4am like you do.. Confused

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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 07:16

@SingToTheSky

You’re very welcome here! Post away Grin I hope it helps you too!

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TheSilveryPussycat · 03/03/2021 10:51

As i said in my last post, please be careful. If you can't sleep, at least rest.

CornedBeef451 · 03/03/2021 11:04

Try not to stress about it and do it in manageable chunks!

I find everything takes way longer than you think so don't go mad and try to do too much, it's just disheartening.

For example, I have an averagely clean home but it still took me two weeks to make space for a bigger desk in DDs room.

I did it in steps so first step was an hour with the DCs getting rid of some soft toys. 2 days later we did the same with dress up clothes. At the weekend I moved some furniture in DS's room and hoovered. Mid week I made DD tidy her room and then I finished it off so it was actually tidy. Next day I moved her small desk into DS's room. Finally we spent a day making the desk and the next day she filled the drawers.

If I'd have tried to do it all in one go it would have been awful so just pick a bit you fancy doing and have a go.

Good luck, you can do it, it'll just take a while!

LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 13:32

Well, I suppose I am the type of person to kind of procrastinate, put things off, wait, and nothing gets done. Then I go into power phase and blast a whole room. I guess that happened today!

I have almost finished my kitchen now. The entire thing from walls to pipes to inside and out of appliances cupboards drawers every single thing. I was good with declutter- just chucked stuff. Took regular breaks. Worked fast but thoroughly when I worked.

Atm I’m watching supernatural while I wait for a pile of dishes to wash and then I can do the final bits which won’t take long at all. I have taken regular breaks. I haven’t pushed past any kind of tiredness or neglected my needs or anything- I take breaks with the intention of sleeping a while but after a while I end up fantasising about the end result. And go back and do a little more. I have done it in small yet fast efficient chunks.

I guess I needed a powerful first blast because I think that the other rooms are going to be so so easy compared to that mess I just got through. I needed the morale. I was feeling worse and worse about not doing anything, while my fiancé was doing things, and I felt so guilty I was worried about my mental health. You know when you get to the point you feel so useless you want to hurt yourself or just.. not be here? I didn’t want to go down that route and I felt myself being pulled there.

I appreciate the warnings to be careful about doing too much and you’re entirely right, and I really appreciate the concern so much. It’s so nice to feel cared for, thank you. At the same time it’s a hard thing to weigh up sometimes. Hard to gauge what outcome will be better or worse. I couldn’t afford to go down the route of hating myself again.

I’m almost done and I feel pure excitement and massive pride! And after it’s done I will sleep I promise! Oh and post photos of course!! And reply properly at some point later on- I realise I have missed many really well put and helpful posts! I’m sorry, I’m trying to capitalise on energy while I have it. I’ll reply later properly and add photos.

Everything is so white and clean!! Grin

Please don’t worry, I’m not overdoing anything. As I said I got it all mostly done over many hours by using small but fast and efficient chunks with longer rests in between. And I am so proud and happy!

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Amore2 · 03/03/2021 14:40

Well done, OP. Yes, small chunks seems good.
Remember, you don't have to reply to every single person on here if you don't have time/inclination. We want to support you, not give you more to do!! Smile

Whenwillow · 03/03/2021 14:47

@LadyInParis I think it's all well and good to go for it and have a blast when you're feeling good about it. Flylady calls it crisis cleaning. The difficulty is that you can burn out very quickly that way, and be too tired to maintain it, so you're back to square one.
If you can develop some routines now the kitchen is clean, like putting things away after use, shining your sink (that's a Flylady thing but it fits well with having an 'alter') mopping the floor once a week - stuff like that, you'll suddenly find it all becomes less of a chore.
Very impressed with what you've achieved though BrewCake

Whenwillow · 03/03/2021 14:48

Darnit I wish we had an edit button. Altar, obviously!

CornedBeef451 · 03/03/2021 15:56

Well done on the cleaning!

Incidentally, what season of Supernatural are you watching?

LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 17:31

want to support you, not give you more to do!! smile

Good point well taken haha! Well I am almost done in the kitchen and I feel so so so proud of myself! Fiancé is made up (more that he has seen me feeling better and rather than in bed depressed, seen me energetic and productive and this obviously has made him happy!) I’ll post pics after- I took a couple of before photos so I’ll post after pics, but I’ll have more after pics because I have lots to show that I’m so very proud of Smile including my achievement today but also my new oven and my new stuff! Like my Smeg blender! (Hate the name but the brand has lasted for years so I assume it good! It’s my first Smeg item so I’ll see how I like it!)

crisis cleaning. The difficulty is that you can burn out very quickly that way, and be too tired to maintain it, so you're back to square one

This is it! Crisis cleaning! Also, I have found that when it’s not an over 14 hour job for one small kitchen, and my whole home is tidy, I do keep on top of it to an extremely obsessive and controlling point! It’s just after the long period of depression (unusually long and also the dirtiness of my home extended it in the end!) it got bad. Usually I’m extremely obsessive. However you are right and I do take your point- I need to be careful and not do anything that could catapult me back into feeling depressed and overwhelmed- as I am in a very delicate frame of mind having just come out of said depression. I appreciate that you pointed this out, as I would otherwise just not consider it at all! It’s good to have a slice of reality and I appreciate that. I could say so much more but brain is mush now haha- happy tired! But I appreciate your post thank you!

Oh yes - I also have (bless him!) two plant pots for the kitchen to make my alter! I’m not sure where I’ll put them yet! I asked him for a vase and a cheap bunch of flowers but.. I suppose he had his reasons for bringing two plants in pots instead Grin probably cos I always get upset when the flowers die! Blush he’s been amazing today I can’t really knock him at all! Been running round all day getting stuff to make a cake with later, buying my new Smeg kettle (coming tomorrow) etc!

@CornedBeef451

Thank you 🙏 I have re started it again at season 4. I have watched the series a couple of times, so I haven’t missed anything but love from season 4 on! Tis brill!

Incidentally; anyone have any good whole chicken recipes/ cooking methods to ensure crispy skin and not over cooked chicken? I have many recipes that I’m very confident in- cooking whole chicken isn’t one! I’m making it tonight in our new oven (in our spanking clean kitchen!) and I’m going to bake a cake after Grin so happy!!

Tired, but super satisfied!

I’m not even half way in terms of whole apartment but I couldn’t have done it without each and every one of you!! Thank you all Flowers

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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 17:34

@Whenwillow

This is so weird sounding but.. I LOVE shining my sink! Having it all dry and shiny!!! As I said I’m obsessive with cleaning usually. That was one long depressive episode sadly! But I just wanted to say I love the pride that comes with a shiny kitchen sink haha! Fiancé has been banned from kitchen Blush he makes a mess he doesn’t even know and it’s very hard to be angry when he’s so incredibly good in all other ways!

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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 17:42

Been running round all day getting stuff to make a cake with later, buying my new Smeg kettle (coming tomorrow) etc!

He has been running round all day not me- just to clarify! He’s now trying to let me give him the last couple of jobs (wiping and shining Grin the sink, brush and mop, put last of dishes away after the dishwasher is done- that’s all I have left) but I want to do those as I am scared he won’t do it right Blush plus he has been running round all day for the stuff I want for the kitchen, and other bits and bobs so he has painful feet and needs to rest too. I’m looking forward to cooking and having a nice meal after today, and some cake 🎂 then a really good well deserved rest!!

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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 17:44

It’s been a long day for both him and me. I have been cleaning all day and he has been shopping all day, took the dogs out etc, so we will enjoy tonight’s dinner and relax!

Hoping someone has a good “whole chicken cooking” method! I would appreciate 🙏

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liverpool1981 · 03/03/2021 17:53

Hi
Look on YouTube ina garden aka the barefoot contessa engagement chicken it's lovely
Also congratulations on your great success so far x I can't wait to see your final wooden floor pictures x

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