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Chatting and Stepping! Stepping and Chatting! (and the odd rant!)

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carrotsandcelery · 30/04/2012 09:38

Come inside for a Brew and a Biscuit and maybe even a Wine if the mood takes you.

A thread for chatter and nonsense Grin

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carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 13:10

Is he asleep then Scout? Well done!

I am feeling ok now Scout. I have got a fair bit done so I am having a wee break.

I am considering being brave and attempting eating some lunch.

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Scout19075 · 15/05/2012 13:29

Yes, carrots, he's asleep. WHEW! He was soooo desperate for it. I might have given in but knowing we have to be out tonight I couldn't face whingy over-tired Toddler, 20 excited Rainbows and 4 bored Seniors all at one time.

Have opted to take a sandwich with us to the group (it's what he'd be eating here) since he usually refuses to eat when he first wakes up). If it stops hailing/raining (it keeps doing it in short 2 minute bursts then the sun comes out) we'll go into town after group and do the washing between group and going out this evening. Because we're meeting with Rainbows and they start earlier than Seniors we need to leave earlier than usual tonight. Toddler's dinner is all prepared (pasta salad, teddy bear "ispis", oaty bars, juice) and packed up (except the pasta salad). Oh, should throw some trains & tracks into a bag before I get TS up....

educatingarti · 15/05/2012 14:00

Scout - a very good question to which I suspect the answer is actually 42!
The SATS are assessments done in English school at the ages of 6-7 (year 2) and 10-11 (year 6) in English and Maths. In year 2 they are totally teacher assessed and will be based on the work the child has done through the year, but the teacher may set some special pieces of work, done maybe with no talking between children, in order to inform her assessment.

In year 6, English and Maths are tested by external tests done under exam conditions, although the writing component of English is to be assessed by the teacher from this year. Abilities in science are teacher assessed

Pauses to wipe marmalade she has just dropped, off keyboard check you are with me so far!

In theory, they are used to check that each child is making the recommended amount of progress and, via looking at this, that the teachers/school are doing a good job.

League tables are published showing what % of children achieve which levels for each school.

Sats scores at year 6 will be used to provide a base level to decide on target levels of achievement for a child at secondary school and secondary teachers/schools are judged on how manywell children meat these targets.

In theory they provide a level of accountability for teacher adn schools.

In practice - a different story.

Some schools manage sats well (often the schools/teachers that were managing/would have managed well before sats came on the scene!)

Others manage to create loads of stress for the children and can spend most of year 6 focusing solely on sats subjects and "teaching to the test" to the detriment of history, art and pe. Even within the Sats subjects, it means that children don't always get the best sort of teaching/help imo!

For example: Imagine a girl of 11 who has suspected dyslexia and her reading (pure decoding of words) skills are 2 years behind where they should be. She may well have spend months in school since Christmas this year repeatedly practising sats style papers where she has to read passages and answer questions, some using inference etc. She can make inferences really well from information, her problem is actually deciphering the text but she is not getting any/much phonics instruction because they "need to practice for sats". I get very cross at this point as I can't see the point in making a child answer questions on repeated passages she can hardly read!! Similar things can happen with maths and it can just lead to children losing confidence!

In addition, if my anecdotal evidence is anything to go by, some teachers can cheat be very creative in the support the offer to children doing the sats!

Finally the whole thing is massively political and is used by whichever government is in power to show that:
a) teaching standards were crap until they took over
b) they have massively improved since they took over

There are some good points about sats and I think it is good to have some idea of the curriculum children should cover and levels that should (on average) be attained but in general, as they stand, I think they do more harm than good and should be abolished! They focus too much on the curriculum and not enough on the child!

liveinazoo · 15/05/2012 16:12

hi everyone!

hope you are feeling better now

ive had a very busy few days,hence my absence

we had a lovely weekend out and about with dp,kids all calmed right down having both our attentions and with glorious sunshine we went to parks and country parks.was very relaxedSmile

dp and i are also trying to patch things up.its our anniversary on thursday and we are making an effort this year as dd1 can babysit and ar egoing on a dat

we ar egong to the cinema to see drool over johnny depp film tomorrow night

i feel like a giggly schoolgirl and am ridiculously excited we are going outon our own not mum and dadGrin

i also confess to being lured under the spell f the fifty shades trilogy and have been glued to the pages.im almost through the 2nd book

carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 16:14

Hello all. Having a bit of a traumatic after school here. Dd came out of school in tears saying she got into trouble. (unheard of at school). I went in to see her teacher but after 30 mins was still waiting a.d had to leave to take ds to drums. He then decided he didnt want to go (was up at 4am) so i had to jolly him along whilst still worrying about dd. He is drumming now and i am sitting fretting.

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carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 16:17

Aww zoo that is lovely. I hope you have a fab time. You have cheered me up!

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liveinazoo · 15/05/2012 16:18

oh carrots!
just what you dont need when you have had a rough nightSad
big big hugs

carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 16:26

Thanks zoo. I wanted the teachers version of events but will have to wait.

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liveinazoo · 15/05/2012 16:34

fingers x its a storm in a teacup honey

i have wander and make zoolets some food

i might get back on later

educatingarti · 15/05/2012 18:17
Sad Dyslexic 11 year old in tears saying she feels stupid. I think she is very tired because it is SATs week, Her school is still making them revise in the afternoons this week, even though they've done tests all morning. I think I'd have been sending them outside to do active things regardless! They are only 10 and 11! Confused

I asked her to do some work, which was hard and I'm hoping I didn't misjudge it. I don't think I did actually but she did get a bit upset. Sad
Hopefully I've managed to show her that since Einstein was dyslexic and so is Richard Branson, dyslexia does not equal stupid even if reading and spelling are hard.

carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 18:33

Arti you can tell her that your friend's husband is dyslexic and despite it he has an honours degree, physics phd and CA qualifications. Dyslexia means you have to learn tactics for overcoming the hiccups, it does NOT mean stupid.

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carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 18:35

Dd is in BIG trouble. HUGE trouble. MAHOOSIVE trouble.

I am Angry and Blush and Sad

She has done a very stupid thing indeed and is going to meet with my wrath when she gets home tonight.

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educatingarti · 15/05/2012 19:36

carrots yes - I've been telling her that sort of thing - but having a real example helps.

Oh no, what has DD done? Shock

carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 19:41

It's a long and sorry story Arti but she has lied to me, snooped in my stuff, shared private information from my phone, shown off, spooked someone else (adult) and been disrespectful to a teacher.

She has never been in trouble at school before but she has gone for it with bells on today.

She isn't home for about an hour and you will probably hear it from where you are when she does come in.

This is my good girl I am talking about: the one I can trust, who gives me a bit of back chat etc but would never be rude to someone else's mum or a teacher etc.

I am reeling.

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carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 19:42

Arti dh's uncle is the same. He is severely dyslexic but runs his own accountancy firm, has a CA and is LOADED! Grin

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carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 19:43

I also have a good friend who is severely dyslexic who runs her own gallery and coffee shop and is a successful ceramacist. Grin

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educatingarti · 15/05/2012 19:47

Sad about dd. How old is she? I'll leave it another 50 minutes or so and then dive for the earplugs shall I?

How did you find out - did you get to speak to the teacher in the end?

carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 19:57

She is 11.

Her teacher phoned the house. I was out but dh was in so spoke to her.

I don't know whether to scream and yell or to go calm and steady with her.

What do you think would have most impact?

I am just stunned.

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educatingarti · 15/05/2012 20:06

Calm and steady every time.

If you hold back on the yelling (at least a bit) she is more likely to open up and tell you the real reason/thinking that led to her doing whatever it was. Not to condone it of course and she still needs to face whatever consequences, but it maintains the relationship better between you and she is more likely to talk to you about stuff in the future. You can still show you are angry an tell her off without yelling.

I suspect she already knows it was stupid/naughty/wrong. Yelling only tells her this some more! Being able to talk about it calmly will be more constructive and she is more likely to learn from it. (and it will throw her off balance - she is probably expecting you to yell Grin)

CatsSleepAnywhere · 15/05/2012 20:06

DS just fell over in the hallway and is trying to say I pushed him. Shock Why would I? It makes me Sad when he says stuff like that. I would never hurt my kids on purpose. He is just playing for attention off DH. Sad

educatingarti · 15/05/2012 20:07

If it was very out of character, there is probably some situation that has led up to this.

carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 20:12

Catsit sucks when they do stuff like that. YOU know you didn't and HE knows you didn't though. DH will know that you didn't too.

Arti it is out of character but I think it is all based on her desperation to make friends. She has had some social problems this year and is "at sea" as far as her friendships go. She has lots of friends and lots of people inviting her out for the day etc but wants a "best friend" iykwim.

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educatingarti · 15/05/2012 20:24

Is it only this year she has had social problems or has it been a factor before. 9-12 year old girls can get horrendously catty and horrible with each other - hormones kicking in I think.
I think calm and allowing her to talk abut how she want a bf etc is the way to go, whilst still letting her know how you feel and facing consequences.
Sad

Cats - in that kind of situation, I'd be tempted to make a joke and say something like "oh yes and a purple elephant has just flown past the window too!" Kind of defuses the situation and hopefully jokes him out of it whilst still letting him know its rubbish!

carrotsandcelery · 15/05/2012 20:29

It has only been this year Arti.

Her best friend went off with someone else and they started bullying her. They had been friends all their lives so she was and still is devastated by it.

I have supported as much as I can at home and I have tried to speak to her teacher, who wasn't really interested. I also tried to explain that home life was pretty grim due to the issues with ds but, although she heard it, she hasn't really taken it on board in any way or offered her any support with her friendships at all.

I know that it is very limited what she can do but as a teacher myself I would have manipulated groups for group work etc so that two lonely souls were working together and that sort of thing.

Anyway, I am off to get her and have a bit of a chat. Eeek!

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Scout19075 · 15/05/2012 20:33

Good luck, carrots. I have a large Wine waiting for you when you're finished.

arti, yes, I can see how the different governments try to manipulate the SATs. Though not just them but the whole school system. It's very disconcerting.

I think I'd do what arti suggests.

Very Envy of zoo's date. Grin You go Girl!

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