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Flinging our way through the chaos: February’s Fledgling Flyers

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LinzerTorte · 31/01/2012 08:38

Welcome to the February edition of the Fledgling Flyers' thread.

If you're living in CHAOS (Can't Have Anyone Over Syndrome), this is the thread for you! We follow the tips on the FlyLady website in an attempt to restore order to our homes, but advise against signing up for the e-mails; all the information you need is on this thread.

Each day, I'll be posting the links that will enable you to do any of the following:

  • start or repeat babysteps
  • repeat babysteps and do 15 minutes a day decluttering in the current zone

or

  • reinforce babysteps and do daily missions if you have finished decluttering.

More information about the babysteps is here.

So please join us - there's always plenty of chat, Brew, cake, encouragement and the occasional Wine to help us on our way!

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BlueEyeshadow · 04/02/2012 22:54

Ooh! It's snowing! The childish part of me is all excited, and the grown-up part is worried about getting to church tomorrow...

ToffeeWhirl · 05/02/2012 00:05

Sorry you had a miserable fiasco with storage boxes, Linzer, but I'm glad it turned out ok in the end. DS2 is just like your son with birthday parties. I have had to pretend he is ill several times to explain his miserable behaviour and now I just don't take him to most of the parties. I think he just finds them too stressful.

Grin at your son's school bag flying him to school. That certainly is an expensive school bag!

Bitchy - glad the birthday went well in spite of your son's poor arm!

Dedalus - agree with you re some of the rubbish babysteps. I think she's just filling space on some days Grin.

Welcome back, sittinghippo. The swish and swipe is the one step I always do, no matter what. Housework and new babies don't mix, in my opinion, so I'm not surprised you have had some time off Flying.

Took DS2 swimming today and we had a lovely time together. However, DS2 then ruined it once we arrived home, by turning into what my mum would call a 'spoilt brat' because I wouldn't let him play a computer game his bigger brother plays. Not only did he swipe all the cutlery off the table, which I had just laid for dinner, but he also tore up a cardboard crown that he had made as a present for me to wear on a forthcoming medieval day at school, when I am helping. This was such an unpleasant, hurtful thing to do. I actually read the chapter on punishment (the futility of...) in 'How to Talk So Kids will Listen...', then sat and had a chat with DS2 about his behaviour. DH said, suspiciously, "Have you been reading one of your books?" Grin Anyway, we all did a lot of acknowledging of each other's hurt feelings and anger Hmm and I agreed that DS2 could watch DS1 on the computer for a short time tomorrow, but said he was too young to play the game yet. Then asked him how he could make amends for his behaviour, but it took DS1 to point out that he could make me a new crown. I'm not holding my breath. Honestly, I think he felt I deserved his behaviour!

And I was looking forward to being a medieval queen Wink.

Sorry, will have to go to bed now so can't acknowledge anyone else, but have read the latest posts. Goodnight all.

(Snowing here too, by the way! )

Lifebeginsatforty · 05/02/2012 00:34

Snowing here as well. [Very excited emoticom] Have finally caught up with everyone, but hardly know where to begin with personals. Too much going on in RL, and really struggling to find time to declutter, so can't take any extra time on MN at the moment.

Toffee you have my sympathy. Most of the time I can ignore it when my DD is hurtful, but occasionally it just gets too much. And she's only 3! I have also just begun to reread "How to talk", as I'm much too shouty/critical at the moment. I don't necessarily agree with everything they say on punishment, but they certainly have a lot of things that are worth trying. And I'm sure that more of their techniques must be more effective, the older the children are.

Right bed now. This is way past a "decent hour" for me.

Good night everyone.

thewaffler · 05/02/2012 07:11

linzer I too would have cried over storage box incident, I probably would have cried too at cost of the school bag - is it lined in cashmere? I can't cope with cold weather, especially windy, am full of admiration for your running in sub zero temperatures.

toffee agggghh that is truly hurtful, although a useful as recall the book being mentioned before but couldn't remember by who and where, now think its probably you, good to hear others have found it useful lifebegins . Also just started reading a book about eating frogs to aid procrastination recommended on organisation thread.

Well no flying here yesterday, meant to be having visitors for meal but cancelled as it was 3 hrs for them to get here and they'd be arriving just as the snow fell and worried about the return journey today. Food prepared so invited parents over instead who live 15 min drive away, but roads too bad for them to come. Probably a good job that we didn't see anybody as dh spent most of the night sitting on the toilet - hoping I don't get it too. I therefore ate meal by myself which I don't mind, was yummy and read a magazine, but didn't wash up the 18 pans dh had used to make it, so no shiny sink for me, not looking forward to heading downstairs.

I've been up since 3 this morning with ds, he's got a cold and sounds like a grunting hippo, poor dh has been sleeping on the floor in his nursery for last 5 months as can't sleep through his noise and has to get up early for work, I've been hanging on and reluctant to let ds go into his own room, but tonight is definitely going to be the night. Task for today therefore to sort his room. Dd went into her room before this age and recall both she and we slept better, so fingers crossed. Dd is now singing/shouting her version of ba ba black sheep, so looks like its time to get up.....

Need to get ontop of laundry today as well - nickknack impressed with your ability to do 5 loads in a day!

LinzerTorte · 05/02/2012 07:31

Morning all,

Sympathies on your ridiculously early start, thewaffler. How old is your DS? I found that we all slept better when the DC moved to their own rooms - I moved DD1 out at around three months as we were all desperate for some sleep (I don't think the six month guideline existed back then, or at least it didn't where we were) and it definitely helped.

Lifebegins I can't get excited about snow - well, I probably could if it was the weekend and we didn't have to go anywhere, but it's a pain otherwise. I'm not a fan of cold weather either and am very glad that DH is one of the few Austrians who doesn't have to have an annual skiing holiday.

Toffee How upsetting that your DS tore up the crown he'd made for you - it sounds like he must have been trying to vent his feelings by looking for the way in which he could hurt you most. I must order that book (keep reading about it on MN) as my youngest two have their spoilt brat moments far too regularly for my liking and I'm struggling with discipline a bit at the moment. I really have to get it sorted out before the summer when we visit my parents.

DH is still in bed as he's not feeling too well with his cold and wants to be fit for his trip to Sweden, so we've postponed Bratislava. DD2's godmother is coming this afternoon (we were planning to take her to Bratislava with us), so it will be nice to see her again; the DC are always very excited about her visits.

Am going to get up and go for a run now, as it will probably be the last chance I get until DH is back on Thursday. Must also take my zinc tablets as I really don't want to come down with this nasty cold that DH has while he's away and the DC are at home all day.

Hope everyone has a lovely day. Smile Back later.

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MummyNic · 05/02/2012 08:15

Morning all.
Terrible night with DS (3), he was up every hour or two for no reason other than a hug. Think he wakes slightly and gets scared because of his overactive imagination. Going to have to ignore him tonight though, not something I can do normally, but I actually feel desperate with sleep deprivation.
Was just looking at a local park that I might take him to this afternoon, and it's a suggested activity by fly lady.
Got a washing load on, keeping up with "a load a day".
Got to start decluttering and it would have been today (might still be) but I'm just too tired.
Might do a home blessing (first one Smile) later... Although I think that ought to be a Mon & Fri thing for me.

laurenamium · 05/02/2012 09:25

Just flying by to shout HAPPY LAZY SUNDAY to everyone Grin then I'm going to go play with DD

BB tomorrow!!

BlueEyeshadow · 05/02/2012 09:28

Morning! It's all pretty and white here. DH has found someone in walking distance of church who can do coffee for him so we can have a snow day! Yay!

Sorry you had such a bad night MummyNic . Is there anyone who can come and look after DS so you can have a rest?

Toffee - hugs! I keep going back to How to Talk... at the moment, as well as the chapters on anger in When Your Kids Press Your Buttons . I'm convinced intellectually that discipline rather than punishment is the way forward, but I'm just not very good at it. :(

Haagendazs · 05/02/2012 10:11

Morning!
I had a very productive catch up day on Friday which is why I didn't come back on here.
Yesterday I did the usual baby steps and did family fun (an unusually quiet Saturday at home playing, reading etc)
Not too sure what I can class as renewing my spirit today though. Plying in the snow Hmm
Am I being a bad flyer by choosing the baby steps to do? Post it notes and writing the bad voices thing isn't my cup of Brew plus we don't wear she's at home so I get dressed to slippers!

Bitchy glad your ds had a good birthday
Toffee we have that book, I must get around to reading it and the 'Kids push your buttons' book. Ds knows exactly how to push my buttons and I'm aware I'm not very good at handling it. You sound as if you were very calm. Well done
Christiane I hope you cope ok without dh, just do what you can. I hope his time away really helps.
Linzer I'm glad you managed to exchange the boxes.
Mummynic I hope you get the chance to have a nap today
Justone sorry you had to miss the a christening. I hope your dd is better soon and that someone thought to take loads of photos for you (although obviously not the same as being there Sad)

Have a lovely snowy day everyone

Haagendazs · 05/02/2012 10:13

Gah! Excuse the typos. playing not plying in the snow and shoes not she's in the house.
Must do better!

ToffeeWhirl · 05/02/2012 10:28

Interesting how many of you read 'How to Talk...'. The reason I re-read the chapter on punishment was that DS was clearly unaffected by my response to his hurtful behaviour ("Right, that's it! No bedtime story tonight!"). I picked up the book and it actually fell open on the page about punishment! I would like to report that since actively listening to DS2's reasons for his upset, he felt remorseful and made me another crown - but no. However, I could feel the futility of my punishment and felt there must be a better way.

I used the technique again this morning when DS2 had another meltdown over the same issue. He is struggling with being only six and watching his older brother do things that he isn't allowed to do. Instead of getting cross with him, I sat down on the sofa with him cuddled up next to me, and let him talk about how unfair it all was. Then put the telly on as a distraction (not recommended in the book, but I needed a break!).

It is all white and pretty here too this morning, BlueEyes. DS2 exclaimed, "Santa Claus has come to town!" when he saw it. We will bundle ourselves up and go out sledging later. We bought a new sledge earlier this year, so that will get used for the first time. I know what will happen though: the children will start off all enthusiastic, then get cold and start wailing that they want to come home again! It happens every year. One year, I noticed that most of the children sledging were in tears because of the cold! The best bit of sledging is coming home to your warm home afterwards and drinking hot chocolate.

Have decided to apply for a statement for DS1, so am spending some time this morning printing out relevant information. Have already been on the Special Needs' board - am not sure what I'd do without it at times like this, as it is such a brilliant place to contact people who have knowledge and experience about SNs.

DH and I were meant to be going out to a concert this afternoon, with MIL babysitting, but that's impossible now as she can't get here (we're at the bottom of a hill and nobody can drive in or out).

MummyNic - sorry you had such a terrible night Sad. DS2 still wakes up wanting me (thankfully only about once a night now) and I just get in with him and go back to sleep. It's actually quite nice to get that nightly cuddle. However, I know that not everyone can sleep with wriggly children (DH included).

thewaffler - sorry you had to cancel your visitors, but at least you enjoyed the meal. Hope the clearing up isn't too arduous this morning. Also hope you get to catch up on sleep (up at 3 Shock).

Linzer - yes, I agree that DS2 was trying to hurt me by tearing up the crown. I wish he would show some regret by making me a new one, but there's no sign of it. I was very calm about it, so maybe he doesn't understand how hurtful it is because I didn't act upset. He is such a sweet boy generally, but children can be so selfish. I remind myself that their self-centredness is a self-protective device to ensure that they survive (I read that somewhere Wink) and that it takes time to develop empathy. Hope you have a nice time with your friend this afternoon.

LifeBegins - it is awful how hurtful our children can be, isn't it? You have to try not to mind and focus on the times when they are sweet and thoughtful, but it's difficult sometimes.

Must go, but hope you all enjoy the lovely, snowy day. Wrap up warm!

ToffeeWhirl · 05/02/2012 10:33

Haagendazs - I spent so long writing my post that I missed you. I have also read that 'Kids Who Push Your Buttons...' book and remember how much it rang true. I have had lots of practise in being calm because of DS1, who could test the patience of a saint, however now I think I should have been less calm on the 'crown' occasion. You can't win, can you? I'm not always calm though. I completely lost it with DS2 yesterday when he refused to wear a beautiful new red jumper that I'd bought for him (he said it was 'itchy'). Getting cross with him was pointless because it didn't change his mind, so I had to accept that he is never going to wear it and I shall have to sell it or give it to someone. I felt a bit embarrassed afterwards that I had got so angry about something so trivial Blush.

BlueEyeshadow · 05/02/2012 10:57

Toffee - that's the button thing though, isn't it?! I mean, I know I'd take it as a personal rejection rather than just a statement of the itchiness of the jumper, IYSWIM, and probably lose it too. It's much easier to be rational in retrospect!!

We have come in from the garden because we got too cold. DS2 actually wanted to wear gloves - it must have been chilly!! Kettle on again. Brew anyone?

MummyNic · 05/02/2012 11:00

DH [ought to be LH for lazy Angry] finally got up & has taken DS out for an hour so I can nap Smile
Will check back later... Yawn zzzz

ToffeeWhirl · 05/02/2012 11:04

Yes, he was pushing my buttons, wasn't he, Blue? I had this image in my head of how sweet he'd look in this new red jumper - I'd even spent more than usual in buying it - and I really struggled with him rejecting it. Also, I wanted him to be warm and it's the only jumper he's got. I think I got particularly cross because I had cut the label out and put him in a shirt with a collar, so that he wouldn't feel the itchiness of the wool, but he wouldn't even try it. For him, that was the 'itchy jumper' and he wasn't wearing it. Full stop.

Enjoy being back in the warm!

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 05/02/2012 13:27

Toffee - I'm about to apply for a statement for DS too, got spurred on at the local NAS meeting this week, I'm feeling sick with nerves about it all though, so maybe we can hold each other's hands. They have also told me I must apply for DLA, which I agree with but is daunting too. I re-read How to talk every 6 months or so too and cherry pick the best bits BTW.

Must go, DS's birthday party is at 3, back later.

sittinghippo · 05/02/2012 14:29

Hi all, thank you for the welcome back.
Zero flying of any description has occurred today, I have been on the phone from 6.30am solidly, as I am a coordinator for a care agency, and when it snows it is just chaos, as so many staff can't get to the houses that need visits, and you cant just leave the elderly laying in their beds, so have spent all morning frantically phoning around rallying neighbours and relatives to do the best they can. Stressful.

Thankfully DH took the girls out to play in the snow for a couple of hours so they didnt miss out on all the fun.

WhoKnows, DD1 is off to a birthday party at 3 this afternoon, I wonder if it is your DS's?!

Looking forward to Monday (as I am not working) so I can try and start on getting the house back in order.

Sorry to hear about tantrums, what book is this of which you speak?? May need to investigate that myself...

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 05/02/2012 14:29

happy Sunday everyone! not a lazy day here, washing machine on, tumble dryer on, dishwasher on, sorting out the study and may have a rummage through DD wardrobe later.

Been up since 6 - the cat was making a racket, which made one of the dogs woofy, stayed up to enjoy the quiet and look at the snow. DH and I took the dogs out then dropped off the dogs, and took children sledging.

Children and dogs now very tired and happy to stay inside for a while now.

laurenamium · 05/02/2012 16:17

Hiya all!

Another one for snow fun here Smile took DD sledging for the first time ever (she's 1) and she was suitably underwhelmed! So we pulled her along in the sledge and walked the dogs in the woods- was lovely!

Laundry is getting done but that's about it! Be back tomorrow with proper lists!

ToffeeWhirl · 05/02/2012 17:53

WhoKnows - yes, please, I would very much like a hand to hold through the statementing process. It's so daunting, isn't it? I have just asked about it on the Special Needs board and received some really good answers from mums who have been through it. I'll find the link so you can read it too. I feel a bit as if I'm revising for an exam. I've printed out loads of info today and put it all in a file ready to read at bedtime.

Hope the birthday party went well. I should think you need some Wine now!

sittinghippo - sorry you've had such a stressful day. The book we are talking about is this. I have never read it all through, but dip into it at random (which isn't at all what you are meant to do, but it's better than nothing).

Jax - no, that doesn't sound at all lazy! Hope you manage a quieter evening.

lauren - how lovely to take DD on her first snowy walk, even if she was underwhelmed!

Cristiane - you are probably too busy looking after your children on your own to pop in, but - when you do - I hope that you are coping OK without your DH and that you can come and see us when you get time.

I took DS2 out sledging this afternoon (DS1 preferred to stay in his virtual online world Hmm; DH wasn't feeling well). I was dreading it as it's usually freezing when we go out sledging and nearly always ends in tears (if not the children's, then certainly mine). However, we had a lovely time. It was really mild, the paths had been gritted so I didn't fall flat on my backside as I had done one year and, for the first time ever, we had a proper sledge. As a result, DS2 had a wonderful time sliding down the hillside in a local park, then we built a snow fort and had a snowball fight. He then insisted on carrying his 'snow cannonball' home on the sledge and putting it in the freezer Grin.

DH has gone out to the concert that we were both going to attend, but as his MIL is snowed in she can't babysit so I have to stay at home. Turned out he'd paid for both our tickets too, so we've lost half the money. Oh well.

Off to throw some breaded chicken in the oven now. Seem to have given up proper cooking at the moment - there seems to be too much else to think about and do.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 05/02/2012 17:56

Sitting - oops that was a typo, party was at 2 (we did turn up at the sports centre at the right time though). So, must have been a different one. My cousin's DS was having his this afternoon too, maybe it was his!

The book is this one How to Talk I think I first heard about it on MN, it seems to be very well known here and among my RL friends. I find the tone a bit patronising if I'm honest, but many of the principles are sound.

Most of our snow melted overnight, but there was just about enough left for a bit of sledging and snowman building at lunchtime.

A fairly quiet weekend on the Flying front, but the washing is all up to date, the food shopping done and a big to do list ready for tomorrow.

ToffeeWhirl · 05/02/2012 17:58

WhoKnows - the link to my thread on the SN board is here. I have been given very useful links to charities like IPSEA and SOS SEN, who can guide you through the process of seeking a statement.

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 05/02/2012 18:08

Thanks Toffee - I had a look at the IPSEA one yesterday and the NAS woman mentioned SOS SEN, but with birthday party this weekend I haven't had much time to look yet. I am pencilling in a couple of hours tomorrow for it. I have spent most of the weekend feeling worried about it, but have decided to break it down into small tasks and put them on my daily to do lists so as not to get overwhelmed, a bit like Flying. NAS woman has said she can provide names of lots of experts if I need them too.

ToffeeWhirl · 05/02/2012 18:23

Good idea to add this to your 'to do' list, WhoKnows. It does feel overwhelming, I agree. It's good that the NAS are helping you. Actually, that reminds me that I should really contact Tourettes Action, as they might be able to provide me with ideas for helping DS at school that could go on the statement. This feels a bit like having a new job, except it's even more important because, if I get it wrong, it affects my DS's future. Oh dear, wish I hadn't thought of that. Am quite relieved DH will probably not go into work tomorrow, so there won't be any paid work at home to do and I can focus on this.

It's silly, but I'm worrying that the SENCO woman at DS1's school is going to be cross with me for seeking a statement. I have to keep reminding myself that it's up to me, not her! It's hard to ignore that feeling that I should do as I'm told by authority figures Confused.

Swan - are you looking into a statement for your son too? I seem to remember you mentioning it.

Er, not a lot of Flying going on here today.

swanthingafteranother · 05/02/2012 18:31

My computer hasn't worked since Friday, so it feels like a treat to get back on Mumsnet!

A bit of a mixed bag weekend, Friday evening was horrendous and I was willing Dh to come home and rescue me (and when he did of course he was Fed Up. Dd had a screaming tantrum when I asked her to switch off telly and do five mins of violin practice, and I just felt enraged by the way that they treat supper as something they can reschedule to suit their television habits. Hating the "spoilt brat" syndrome in my house too Toffee. But as you say, their reasons for reacting are not governed by the boundaries we think we should set and they should observe. It takes a lot of to and fro-ing to establish the boundaries doesn't it, however much one wishes they would just see how apalling and unreasonable their behaviour is; they certainly don't see it that way...Hmm Dd kept saying I should apologise to her.

I'm still being plunged into terrible gloom by the fact that there is nowhere to put anything away, kitchen is an eternal hotspot cesspit that Dh won't acknowledge needs re-siting/replanning. At one stage on Sat, there were 2 space projects , a sack of dirty washing, 5 saucepans, caked rugby boots, a sack of recycling and some spilt cat food, and several bits of Ikea not to speak of paint, vegetable peelings and tinderbox children. There are lots of answers but Dh now regards the subject of re-organisation as a "cracked record" (Linzer)

Anyway the trollies look very nice; they need oiling for a few weeks though Hmm Maybe things will improve when I can look out of the window to chop veg Hmm

done
catechism class
violin practice
piano practice
tectonics homework half
3 other homeworks
collage of Toucan
space model painting
space writing
face painting with dd
tidied ds1 room with him
got children to do some chores, by the by
drop scones
macaroni cheese, homemade curry, pasta bake lots of delicious food (which would account for mess and subsequent bad temper of the cook and chief saucepan washer -me)

linzer I would have cried at the boxes blowing away, definitely
just how miserable you missed Christening, but at least you knew everyone had a lovely time and you weren't worrying about poorly dd through ceremony and restaurant.

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