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New Years Lists for procrastinators/slatterns - let there be organisation

780 replies

HalfMumHalfBiscuit · 02/01/2012 12:21

Welcome old and new slatterns. All welcome for mutual support and kicks up the bum where nec. Just add your list and report back to let us know how you get along.

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 25/01/2012 18:51

Ooh Freaki - please share! I'm guessing not a stalkerish weirdo this time! Grin

I have achieved very little today, very little. Oh well!

HalfMumHalfBiscuit · 25/01/2012 19:34

Freaky you tease - how'd it go?

Bracing myself for DH going away for 7 days from Sat am. What am I going to do all weekend!!!!???

Meals
Thursday - Carbonara / saus & mash for DS
Friday - Pizza

Ongoing List
My filing drawer
Buy new school jumpers for DS
Clean mouldy wall in bedroom - buy mould cleaner
Take in some dry cleaning
Pick up laundry
Book holidays! Easter?
Filing

Random things to buy in sales
Table cloth
Dinner service
Napkin holder

OP posts:
JKSLtd · 25/01/2012 19:50

Ooh Freak - I hope it was a good one :)

I have chased my tail all day and not got much done, hey ho.
Started the day at 3.30 with DS1, then DD, then DS2 up at various times. Actually got up at 4.30.
Luckily DH had come home late last night so I went back to bed at 6 and he got up until 7.30.
Off to bed soon though.

Tomorrow:

  • all up, breakfasted & dressed
  • sch runs (find out art club finishing time for definite)
  • maybe swim with DD?
  • DD nap (maybe nap for me too depending on night/early start)
  • lunch & tidy kitchen
  • laundry...
  • try and book next internet shop ahead of time
  • pop round corner for semi milk for my tea from now on
  • DS2's TQs; list written & cards made
  • DS2 home, check bag
  • collect DS1 from art club, reading, check bag
  • tea x 4 & tidy up
  • DC bath & bed
  • DH home late/bed

Ongoing:

  • order blind for kitchen side door
  • pictures to label 'animals' & 'people' & 'cars' boxes
  • watch Prison Break DVDs & give back to PIL; Started; Done more
  • clean oven; Bought Oven Pride
  • get kitchen curtains dry cleaned
  • family tree (scanning in old certs & photos & email new contact)
  • buy some frames that will hang on the wall & hang up as many photos as poss; need some sizes
  • sort iPhoto on laptop; Book Genius appt
  • bathroom cabinet needs sorting
  • check out birthdays coming up/make cards; Done Jan
  • Spring Cleaning: DD clothes; sort through bedding)
  • lose weight! (From: 66kg; Target: 54kg); Scales said 65.2 today
  • cats flea drops & see if I get any more bites (none recently so maybe we are on top of problem at last?!)
  • ring M&S about lampshade saga
  • book bowling for orchestra social - need new dates; need to email committee
  • library to pay fine
  • charity shop box full; in car; more added
HalfMumHalfBiscuit · 25/01/2012 21:18

JKS - 3.30 and 4.30am nightmare. Hope you get an early night tonight. !!!

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FreakoidOrganisoid · 26/01/2012 09:55

Sorry sorry didn't mean to keep you hanging so long!

It went well. He was really friendly and easy to talk to and we chatted non stop. He didn't say anything that put me off, we seem to have quite a lot in common. Not sure of fancying though, he's not unattractive but didn't make me go phwoar. But I will see him again as if he is as nice as he seemed there is potential for him to grow on me. Especially as the initial phwoar thing (exh, wc, aw) has not worked out well for me!!

I had typed out more detail but lost it and cba now!

HalfMumHalfBiscuit · 26/01/2012 12:20

Sounds good to me! The phwoar factor is not all its cracked up to be. As long as you can talk and have a laugh that is what matters in the long run!

V quiet on here these days. I hope everyone is getting their jobs done! Grin

Meals
Thursday - Carbonara / saus & mash for DS
Friday - Pizza

Ongoing List
Pay CM
My filing drawer
Buy new school jumpers for DS
Clean mouldy wall in bedroom - buy mould cleaner
Take in some dry cleaning
Pick up laundry
Book holidays! Easter?
Filing

Random things to buy in sales
Table cloth
Dinner service
Napkin holder

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AnonymousBird · 26/01/2012 12:58

JKS - sorry to hear re the early awakenings. Poor you.

Freaki - like HMHB says, phwoar not necessarily required. Personality and ability to chat non stop, have things in common and laugh a bit are all much more important... oh, my my, that's what you said happened! Wink

No list today, DH is home, so just pottering really.

Meals:
Weds was Sausages, sautes and greens
Thurs: Stew and jackets (cooking now and making me hungry!)
Fri: Curry in a Hurry
Sat: something from "VEG"
Sun: Roast Chicken plus the trimmings
Mon: Pork steaks (poss in kebabs plus salad)
Tues: something else from "VEG"

....

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 26/01/2012 13:42

JKS that sounds hideous :(

DS2 was awake in the night for an hour before he would drop off again, so matchsticks needed here too!

Freak - I agree, phwoar instantly is not required - and that sounds like a lovely date. Glad you are going to see him again :)

We are pottering along alright here, need a short list for this afternoon just to make sure I stay on top of things.

TO DO
Finish clearing up from lunch
Breadmaker on
2 loads of washing
Dust bedrooms
Reading with DS1 (done some)

JKSLtd · 26/01/2012 13:49

I did have an early night, luckily as DD wanted hand-holding at 4.30 Hmm - very strange from her, she had her dummy in but was crying, i held her hand she hung on for a minute then pushed it away and fell asleep!
Boys not up until 6.30 Shock think they were knackered too.

Been swimming & had a long nap/lie in bed, but not feeling refreshed yet, just that kind of groggy-post-nap feeling.

Today:

  • all up, breakfasted & dressed DONE
  • sch runs (find out art club finishing time for definite) DONE
  • maybe swim with DD DONE
  • DD nap (maybe nap for me too depending on night/early start) DONE
  • lunch & tidy kitchen DONE
  • laundry; Wm on, Td on, Airer full
  • try and book next internet shop ahead of time
  • pop round corner for semi milk for my tea from now on
  • DS2's TQs; list written & cards made
  • DS2 home, check bag
  • collect DS1 from art club, reading, check bag
  • tea x 4 & tidy up
  • DC bath & bed
  • DH home late/bed

Ongoing:

  • order blind for kitchen side door
  • pictures to label 'animals' & 'people' & 'cars' boxes
  • watch Prison Break DVDs & give back to PIL; Started; Done more
  • clean oven; Bought Oven Pride
  • get kitchen curtains dry cleaned
  • family tree (scanning in old certs & photos & email new contact)
  • buy some frames that will hang on the wall & hang up as many photos as poss; need some sizes
  • sort iPhoto on laptop; Book Genius appt
  • bathroom cabinet needs sorting
  • check out birthdays coming up/make cards; Done Jan
  • Spring Cleaning: DD clothes; sort through bedding)
  • lose weight! (From: 66kg; Target: 54kg); Scales said 64.9 today Grin
  • cats flea drops & see if I get any more bites (none recently so maybe we are on top of problem at last?!)
  • ring M&S about lampshade saga
  • book bowling for orchestra social - need new dates; need to email committee
  • library to pay fine
  • charity shop box full; in car; more added
JKSLtd · 26/01/2012 21:04

Came over all domesticated housewife and had dinner ready for DH when he got home Shock Grin

Today:

  • all up, breakfasted & dressed DONE
  • sch runs (find out art club finishing time for definite) DONE
  • maybe swim with DD DONE
  • DD nap (maybe nap for me too depending on night/early start) DONE
  • lunch & tidy kitchen DONE
  • laundry; wm on again
  • try and book next internet shop ahead of time
  • pop round corner for semi milk for my tea from now on DONE
  • DS2's TQs; list written & cards made; addresses done
  • DS2 home, check bag DONE
  • collect DS1 from art club, reading, check bag DONE
  • tea x 3 & tidy up DONE
  • DC bath & bed Bath cancelled as DS2 fell asleep on the floor
  • DH home & dinner DONE

Fri:

  • decide between playgroup or walk with some school mums...
  • nothing else planned

Ongoing:

  • order blind for kitchen side door
  • pictures to label 'animals' & 'people' & 'cars' boxes
  • watch Prison Break DVDs & give back to PIL; Started; Done more
  • clean oven; Bought Oven Pride
  • get kitchen curtains dry cleaned
  • family tree (scanning in old certs & photos & email new contact)
  • buy some frames that will hang on the wall & hang up as many photos as poss; need some sizes
  • sort iPhoto on laptop; Book Genius appt
  • bathroom cabinet needs sorting
  • check out birthdays coming up/make cards; Done Jan
  • Spring Cleaning: DD clothes; sort through bedding)
  • lose weight! (From: 66kg; Target: 54kg); Scales said 64.9 today
  • cats flea drops & see if I get any more bites (none recently so maybe we are on top of problem at last?!)
  • ring M&S about lampshade saga
  • book bowling for orchestra social - need new dates; need to email committee
  • library to pay fine
  • charity shop box full; in car; more added
JKSLtd · 27/01/2012 13:12

Afternoon all :)

Watching Andy Murray lose while DD naps, lovely :)

Fri:

  • decide between playgroup or walk with some school mums... Playgroup won
  • walk to playgroup (part of lose weight plan) DONE
  • lunch & tidy kitchen DONE
  • Wm on, dw on, Td emptied, laundry folded DONE
  • check gas & elec prices DONE
  • watch tennis Doing
  • put lots of dry laundry away
  • put another load on
  • read some of my book
  • DH getting DS1, reading, etc
  • DS2 home, bag, etc
  • DH i/c DC tea & tidy up
  • DC bath (must do) & bed
  • dinner & tv & bed

Ongoing:

  • order blind for kitchen side door
  • pictures to label 'animals' & 'people' & 'cars' boxes
  • watch Prison Break DVDs & give back to PIL; Started; Done more
  • clean oven; Bought Oven Pride
  • get kitchen curtains dry cleaned
  • family tree (scanning in old certs & photos & email new contact)
  • buy some frames that will hang on the wall & hang up as many photos as poss; need some sizes
  • sort iPhoto on laptop; Book Genius appt
  • bathroom cabinet needs sorting
  • check out birthdays coming up Done Feb/make cards;
  • Spring Cleaning: DD clothes; sort through bedding
  • lose weight! (From: 66kg; Target: 54kg); Scales said 64.9
  • cats flea drops & see if I get any more bites (none recently so maybe we are on top of problem at last?!)
  • ring M&S about lampshade saga
  • book bowling for orchestra social - need new dates; need to email committee
  • library to pay fine
  • charity shop box full; in car; more added
  • book service for oven; have number
HalfMumHalfBiscuit · 27/01/2012 14:09

LOL JKS. My DH likes it alot if I manage to get tea done for his return from work on my day at home.

Today we had a minor disaster. CM ill !!!!!!!!.... had to find somewhere fast for DD to goto. My lovely friend has taken her so I can come to work and deal with the aftermath of a busy week. Buying her a curry later.

Ongoing List
Pay CM
My filing drawer
Buy new school jumpers for DS
Clean mouldy wall in bedroom - buy mould cleaner
Take in some dry cleaning
Pick up laundry
Book holidays! Easter?
Filing

Random things to buy in sales
Table cloth
Dinner service
Napkin holder

OP posts:
JKSLtd · 27/01/2012 15:09

HMHB - nightmare, lucky you have someone who can step in.

Fri:

  • decide between playgroup or walk with some school mums... Playgroup won
  • walk to playgroup (part of lose weight plan) DONE
  • lunch & tidy kitchen DONE
  • Wm on, dw on, Td emptied, laundry folded DONE
  • check gas & elec prices DONE
  • watch tennis DONE
  • put lots of dry laundry away DONE
  • put another load on
  • read some of my book
  • DH getting DS1, reading, etc Doing
  • DS2 home, bag, etc
  • DH i/c DC tea & tidy up
  • DC bath (must do) & bed
  • dinner & tv & bed

Ongoing:

  • order blind for kitchen side door
  • pictures to label 'animals' & 'people' & 'cars' boxes
  • watch Prison Break DVDs & give back to PIL; Started; Done more
  • clean oven; Bought Oven Pride
  • get kitchen curtains dry cleaned
  • family tree (scanning in old certs & photos & email new contact)
  • buy some frames that will hang on the wall & hang up as many photos as poss; need some sizes
  • sort iPhoto on laptop; Book Genius appt
  • bathroom cabinet needs sorting
  • check out birthdays coming up Done Feb/make cards;
  • Spring Cleaning: DD clothes; sort through bedding
  • lose weight! (From: 66kg; Target: 54kg); Scales said 64.9
  • cats flea drops & see if I get any more bites (none recently so maybe we are on top of problem at last?!)
  • ring M&S about lampshade saga
  • book bowling for orchestra social - need new dates; need to email committee
  • library to pay fine
  • charity shop box full; in car; more added
  • book service for oven; have number DONE
  • book assessment for DS2 for an SN trike Emailed (not sure he needs it but...)
HalfMumHalfBiscuit · 27/01/2012 16:30

I am ruddy lucky! She doesn't work on Fridays so I was very lucky indeed. I will be off to get a curry shortly.

JKS - I used to like playgroup as the kids leave me alone and play whilst I drank loads of tea Brew.

Ongoing List
Pay CM done
My filing drawer
Buy new school jumpers for DS
Clean mouldy wall in bedroom - buy mould cleaner
Take in some dry cleaning
Pick up laundry
Book holidays! Easter?
Filing

Random things to buy in sales
Table cloth
Dinner service
Napkin holder

OP posts:
JKSLtd · 27/01/2012 19:58

HMHB - this playgroup I've been going to on and off for 5 years, so even though DD is still mostly on my lap, once she gets moving & causing chaos I think the ladies will forgive me Grin

Fri:

  • decide between playgroup or walk with some school mums... Playgroup won
  • walk to playgroup (part of lose weight plan) DONE
  • lunch & tidy kitchen DONE
  • Wm on, dw on, Td emptied, laundry folded DONE
  • check gas & elec prices DONE
  • watch tennis DONE
  • put lots of dry laundry away DONE
  • put another load on DONE
  • read some of my book DONE
  • DH getting DS1, reading, etc DONE
  • DS2 home, bag, etc DONE
  • DH i/c DC tea & tidy up DONE
  • DC bath (must do) & bed DONE
  • dinner DONE & tv & bed

Sat:

  • DS2 & DH to footie
  • last bits of laundry (for now)
  • maybe some garden time if as sunny as today
  • some jobs...DS2 TQ cards; tidy up DS1 & 2's boxes of crap treasures
  • anything else?

Ongoing:

  • order blind for kitchen side door
  • pictures to label 'animals' & 'people' & 'cars' boxes
  • watch Prison Break DVDs & give back to PIL; Started; Done more
  • clean oven; Bought Oven Pride
  • get kitchen curtains dry cleaned
  • family tree (scanning in old certs & photos & email new contact)
  • buy some frames that will hang on the wall & hang up as many photos as poss; need some sizes
  • sort iPhoto on laptop; Book Genius appt
  • bathroom cabinet needs sorting
  • check out birthdays coming up Done Feb/make cards;
  • Spring Cleaning: DD clothes Started; sort through bedding
  • lose weight! (From: 66kg; Target: 54kg); Scales said 64.9
  • cats flea drops DONE & see if I get any more bites (none recently so maybe we are on top of problem at last?!)
  • ring M&S about lampshade saga
  • book bowling for orchestra social - need new dates; need to email committee
  • library to pay fine
  • charity shop box full; in car; more added
  • book assessment for DS2 for an SN trike Emailed (not sure he needs it but...)
JKSLtd · 28/01/2012 19:27

Evening all, hope you're having good weekends :)

Just done a marathon loft session, feel all revitalised to have cleared a space in the spare room (we do seem to store loads of junk in there still though Hmm).

Sat:

  • DS2 & DH to footie DONE
  • last bits of laundry Baskets near-empty & ironing DONE & put away
  • maybe some garden time if as sunny as today DONE
  • some jobs...DS2 TQ cards; tidy up DS1 & 2's boxes of crap treasures
  • anything else; loft DONE

Sun:

  • my turn to get up early boo
  • all usual
  • jobs from Sat I didn't do
  • do 'bonus' laundry to stay ahead
  • get school bags ready

Ongoing:

  • order blind for kitchen side door
  • pictures to label 'animals' & 'people' & 'cars' boxes
  • watch Prison Break DVDs & give back to PIL; Started; Done more
  • clean oven; Bought Oven Pride
  • get kitchen curtains dry cleaned
  • family tree (scanning in old certs & photos & email new contact)
  • buy some frames that will hang on the wall & hang up as many photos as poss; need some sizes
  • sort iPhoto on laptop; Book Genius appt
  • bathroom cabinet needs sorting
  • make birthday cards for Feb
  • Spring Cleaning: DD clothes Started; sort through bedding
  • lose weight! (From: 66kg; Target: 54kg); Scales said 64.7
  • ring M&S about lampshade saga
  • book bowling for orchestra social - need new dates; need to email committee
  • library to pay fine
  • charity shop box full; in car; more added
  • book assessment for DS2 for an SN trike Emailed (not sure he needs it but...)
JKSLtd · 29/01/2012 14:14

DH & shopping nuff said. Grin

Sun:

  • my turn to get up early boo DONE (6.15 today woohoo)
  • all usual Doing
  • jobs from Sat I didn't do: - some jobs...DS2 TQ cards; Half Done tidy up DS1 & 2's boxes of crap treasures DS1 DONE
  • do 'bonus' laundry to stay ahead WM on
  • get school bags ready

Ongoing:

  • order blind for kitchen side door DONE! Shock Grin (just have to hope it fits now!)
  • pictures to label 'animals' & 'people' & 'cars' boxes
  • watch Prison Break DVDs & give back to PIL; Started; Done more
  • clean oven; Bought Oven Pride
  • get kitchen curtains dry cleaned
  • family tree (scanning in old certs & photos & email new contact)
  • buy some frames that will hang on the wall & hang up as many photos as poss; need some sizes
  • sort iPhoto on laptop; Book Genius appt
  • bathroom cabinet needs sorting
  • make birthday cards for Feb
  • Spring Cleaning: DD clothes Started; sort through bedding
  • lose weight! (From: 66kg; Target: 54kg); Scales said 64.7
  • ring M&S about lampshade saga
  • book bowling for orchestra social - need new dates; need to email committee
  • library to pay fine
  • charity shop box full; in car; more added
  • book assessment for DS2 for an SN trike; Emailed (not sure he needs it but...)
Minimammoth · 29/01/2012 20:25

Ok. Right. List for tomorrow.
Office of doom:
1 reduce piles,
2 clear stuff off floor,
3 make space on desk if I can find it.

  1. Clear window ledge.
  2. Drive out spiders.
  3. Rest
Print stuff Shop Gather stuff for trip to HMHB Work list to do.

That'll do for a kick off. < nobody says that any more do they.>

JKSLtd · 29/01/2012 20:41

That'll do for starters I would say :)

I ought to tackle my share of DH's office seeing as he's done a stirling job over the weekend...

Sun:

  • my turn to get up early boo DONE (6.15 today woohoo)
  • all usual DONE
  • jobs from Sat I didn't do: - some jobs...DS2 TQ cards; DONE tidy up DS1 & 2's boxes of crap treasures; DS1 DONE
  • do 'bonus' laundry to stay ahead TD on & wm on again (poo explosion)
  • get school bags ready DONE

Mon:

  • me up first
  • breakfast & all dressed
  • DH to work/boys to sch
  • quiet day just me & DD :)
  • boys home, reading, check & repack bags
  • tea x 4 & tidy up
  • DC to bed, early night for me

Ongoing:

  • pictures to label 'animals' & 'people' & 'cars' boxes
  • watch Prison Break DVDs & give back to PIL; Started; Done more
  • clean oven; Bought Oven Pride
  • get kitchen curtains dry cleaned
  • family tree (scanning in old certs & photos & email new contact)
  • buy some frames that will hang on the wall & hang up as many photos as poss; need some sizes
  • sort iPhoto on laptop; Book Genius appt
  • bathroom cabinet needs sorting
  • make birthday cards for Feb; 1 Done
  • Spring Cleaning: DD clothes - Started; sort through bedding
  • lose weight! (From: 66kg; Target: 54kg); Scales said 64.7
  • ring M&S about lampshade saga
  • book bowling for orchestra social - need new dates; need to email committee
  • library to pay fine
  • charity shop box full; in car; more added
  • book assessment for DS2 for an SN trike; Emailed (not sure he needs it but...)
Minimammoth · 29/01/2012 22:25

JkS how can you cope with your weight in Kgs? Am just old duffer so can't think other than st and lb. am also trying to lose half a stone or so.

JKSLtd · 30/01/2012 05:42

Mini - weirdly I can work in either now. Though I prefer stones really, my ideal is a convenient 8 & a half stone, or 54kg, the stone one is easier to remember. And my max is 9st. (not when ive been pg obv!) I think dh prefers the kg option on the scales as his ideal is 80 (ha as if right now!) and his max is 100 (ahem).

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 30/01/2012 09:59

Morning all :)

I have no idea about kilos either, pounds here. Scales are down again this morning, 4.5 pounds in not quite 3 weeks which I'm pretty happy with.

MONDAY
All up and dressed - done
Unload dishwasher - done
Breakfast and tidy kitchen - done
Make beds and tidy upstairs - started
Wipe over bathroom
Hoover and sweep downstairs
Bags and packed lunch
DS1 to preschool
1 load of washing
Lunch and tidy kitchen
Pick DS1 up
Dinner x 4
Baths
Boys to bed
Tidy downstairs
Shred
Kitchen clear before bed

JOBS
Ring plumber
Read information from accountant and action anything
Fill in dentist forms

HalfMumHalfBiscuit · 30/01/2012 10:47

JKS - I am same as you. Ideally 8 and a half stone. If I'm heading towards 9 stone, eat less cake. Tho' think our scales are a bit dodge.

My achievement today was to get everyone to school/CM/work ON TIME on my own as DH away!!!

Today
Work
Quick food shop
Pick up DC's from CM
Make tea - shepherds pie
Clear up
Put kids to bed
and rest

Ongoing List
My filing drawer
Buy new school jumpers for DS
Clean mouldy wall in bedroom - buy mould cleaner
Take in some dry cleaning
Pick up laundry
Book holidays! Easter?
Filing

Random things to buy in sales
Table cloth
Dinner service
Napkin holder

OP posts:
Minimammoth · 30/01/2012 12:04

Well done HMHB.
I feel I have been so good over the last month, no cake or biscuits, no wheat bread either and buggar all weight change GRRR.

JKSLtd · 30/01/2012 12:21

Well done HMHB :)

Mini - if we're honest, although I'm being good, I'm only losing weight because DD is dropping her BF. I've found with each child that as they eat more food my body 'allows' me to lose weight. So it's kind of cheating really! Nothing more frustrating than being good and not seeing the results, grr.

left from Sun:

  • tidy up DS2's boxes of treasures

Mon:

  • me up first DONE
  • breakfast & all dressed DONE (except DD not dressed yet)
  • DH to work/boys to sch DONE
  • quiet day just me & DD Doing
  • DD nap & me bath DONE
  • sort out my clothes, start a 'too big' box (yey!) & take out empty hangers DONE
  • clear one shelf & clean it & stuff on it ready for kitchen painting DONE
  • lunch me & DD Doing
  • have another go cleaning last bits from kitchen shelf & they are v greasy
  • round corner to get semi milk & give hangers to dry cleaners
  • boys home, reading, check & repack bags
  • tea x 4 & tidy up
  • DC to bed, early night for me

Ongoing:

  • pictures to label 'animals' & 'people' & 'cars' boxes
  • watch Prison Break DVDs & give back to PIL; Started; Done more
  • clean oven; Bought Oven Pride; postponing until after service happening this week (maybe they'll clean it?! )
  • get kitchen curtains dry cleaned (when handyman is in painting the kitchen)
  • family tree (scanning in old certs & photos & email new contact)
  • buy some frames that will hang on the wall & hang up as many photos as poss; need some sizes
  • sort iPhoto on laptop; Book Genius appt
  • bathroom cabinet needs sorting
  • make birthday cards for Feb; 1 Done
  • Spring Cleaning: DD clothes - Started; sort through bedding
  • lose weight! (From: 66kg; Target: 54kg); Scales said 64.6
  • ring M&S about lampshade saga
  • book bowling for orchestra social - need new dates; need to email committee
  • library to pay fine
  • charity shop box full; in car; more added
  • book assessment for DS2 for an SN trike; Emailed (not sure he needs it but...)