I made the mistake of reading comments from teachers about kids with bad behaviour

[sapphire777]

I feel so sorry for kids who get labelled bad. This is a big part of why we are home educating. My kids are autistic, ADHD and have severe sensory integration issues. My oldest cannot cope in any environment except home. He's getting better and better at coping at appointments etc but only for 30 mins or so. If I were forcing him to go to school, he'd be a trouble maker, he'd hit and lash out because he was scared. I feel sorry for kids who don't have good support and are misunderstood. I feel sad for teachers and general society who think it's bad behaviour as if the child is really able to control themselves. :(

But a special school would have strategies for dealing with this, wouldn't they?

Segregation, not something i think it's right and lots of research to support inclusive education

@HollowTalk

But a special school would have strategies for dealing with this, wouldn't they?

Of course they would. I've worked in plenty and 'segregation' happens once in a blue moon

OP, you're aiming you're frustration at the wrong people. It isn't the teachers, the staff etc, it's the sheer monstrous lack of funding

This is in home ed so obviously I don't really think schools are perfect places or suit all kids

I work in a school and also don't think schools are perfect places and suit all children

The system is absolutely shite

But this idea that children just get segregated is simply not true

No, I'm not. I posted this in home Ed and don't need opinions about why my child should be in a special school

No one has said your child should be in a 'special school'....

I know what you mean OP.

I understand from a parental point of view. I get it from a teacher’s point of view too. Too many kids to teach and care for. How on Earth are teachers supposed to cope with a class of 30 kids, including those who have additional needs?

@Conditionconditioncondition

I work in a school and also don't think schools are perfect places and suit all children

The system is absolutely shite

But this idea that children just get segregated is simply not true

Special schools are segregation in my opinion and where I live there is considerable University research supports all children together

There's a huge shortage of appropriate special schools. My youngest has autism with anxiety and is prone to running away, yet no secondary within 200 miles will take him - either because he wouldn't cope with the other kids in the year, or because we want him to do the GCSEs he's easily capable of. All the therapeutic nurturing special.schools do 2 GCSEs at most.

So probably 3.5 more years of homeschooling if no school will agree to be named on an EHCP.

@Rno3gfr

I understand from a parental point of view. I get it from a teacher’s point of view too. Too many kids to teach and care for. How on Earth are teachers supposed to cope with a class of 30 kids, including those who have additional needs?

Yes but two different things. I didn't put my kid in school because I know they won't be able to manage his needs but I'm talking about people including teachers who label kids with bad behaviour. I'm just glad I can do home ed.

I'm not understanding what you want from the thread, is it just for people to say 'yes, yes home education is best or if not that then all children at the same school regardless if this is suitable for no one' ?

You can find research that proves many points you may wish to make. As a parent of a child with SEN, I made the decision that specialist provision was the most appropriate route as mainstream staff are not experts in all types of need and nor do I possess the relevant skills to home educate.
I would prefer my child to be wholly included in a school that caters for her needs than mostly included in one that cannot. Just because that is not your choice, does not mean it is wrong.

I don’t understand — where are you reading these comments from teachers about "bad behaviour’? And how do you know these are children with additional needs being discussed?

there's a big difference between kids like yours. and naughty brats ; and teachers know the difference very well. Don't delude yourself, there are some NT children who behave badly . How teachers (and parents) deal with that has nothing to do with the special needs of yours.

Isn’t Home Ed also segregation? (Genuinely asking)

The fact is even if you wanted your child in a sod list school it's unlikely to happen. You can just dark yo a school and enrol them, there are far too little spaces and the child needs a statement/ehcp and that needs to be written into it, which is rare. I have children with statements and one the school and I feel needs a more appropriate environment yet the LA refuse and so he is in mainstream with one to one support. Not what every profession thinks is best but what one the cheaper option.

I'm super lucky though, They have an amazing school with excellent staff and leadership.

You can find all the research you want to support the idea that inclusive education is the best way, lord knows there's been a tonne of research that supports it.

But there is also an equal tonne of research that supports children being 'segregated' into groups with those of a similar ability

Home Ed is, I would agree with a PP, a form of segregation

I agree with you OP, we have a long way to go to achieve inclusive education.

There's never been a better time in history for children with additional needs in education, There's lots of provision made for them in most schools. There will be a few teachers who still believe it's all down to kids misbehaving on purpose but they are quite rare, most teachers today have good SEN training even if they don't specialise in that area of teaching. Having said that if you feel that your children learn best at home then that's fine too.

Genuine question OP

Say I have 30 children in my class
6 have an EHCP
Another 6 are awaiting an EHCP
It's just me and another adult

How, on what planet, do you propose that I provide all 30 children with a lesson that is differentiated, that they can all access, and where they can all make progress?

There is a child in my school with autism who high pitch screams all day long. His parents want him in a mainstream school. But they have no idea effect this child has on everyone else. Trying to teach with a child screaming? It's anxiety inducing and distracting at best. It disrupts everyone's learning and is a horrible situation. Everyone can see the child is distressed, and people around his screams get distressed.

I get very annoyed about this topic, when parents can't see that forcing children into mainstream school is just selfish.

@missbunnyrabbit

There is a child in my school with autism who high pitch screams all day long. His parents want him in a mainstream school. But they have no idea effect this child has on everyone else. Trying to teach with a child screaming? It's anxiety inducing and distracting at best. It disrupts everyone's learning and is a horrible situation. Everyone can see the child is distressed, and people around his screams get distressed.

I get very annoyed about this topic, when parents can't see that forcing children into mainstream school is just selfish.

Woah there, that's some sweeping generalisation you're making. Most parents do not have a choice about 'forcing' children into mainstream - special school places just aren't there. Inclusion means just that - the presumption of mainstream.

To get a special school place in my area you need significant learning disabilities/medical care needs. My DS didn't qualify and the setting would have been wrong for him. But mainstream isn't right either. So where would you have us go?

You don’t think there should be segregation in education, yet you’ve completely segregated your own children by keeping them at home!