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Who and how much to tip (USA)

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SleepDreamThinkHuge · 28/03/2023 11:52

Hi,

I am thinking of going to USA maybe this summer or early next year. Thinking of New York or California.

Of course the USA has a different tipping culture to UK. In the USA, when you go how much do you generally tip, who do you tip?

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/04/2023 14:04

So you do a bit of research about tipping and other customs before you visit the country. Isn't that normal?

Yes, but surely you realise that temporarily stepping into a different culture for two weeks doesn't make you comfortable or proficient in it, however many books or websites you read beforehand - especially considering that a lot of those disagree about it; and they may say 'a server', without it always being clear who considers themselves a server, providing a tip-worthy service.

Added to that, as people on this thread are saying, there are different expected percentages, so if you read that 18% is expected and think you'll be kind, by rounding it up to 20%, you'll still leave people in areas/establishments where they expect 25% wondering why you're so mean or what they did to disappoint you.

It would be a lot easier if everybody expecting a tip could wear a big badge telling people that, and the price/percentage of the expected tip, to avoid any confusion - if the culture prefers obscure and/or person-based pricing rather than just transparently putting prices on goods or menus. Sounds absurd, but that has to better than asking every single person who does anything for you whether you need to tip them and, if so, how much - how extremely awkward.

For most tourists, the choice will often either be to over/unnecessarily tip, to avoid offending anybody, or otherwise to under/not tip and wonder why all of the Americans they encounter seem so unpleasant after the bill has been paid.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/04/2023 14:07

But just a blanket "service charge" tacked on with no explanation? Even this over-tipping-American would have an issue with that!

It's exactly that kind of practice that confuses tourists as to when a culture becomes a straight-up grift. It makes you think that all honesty has gone out of the window and, instead of a valued customer, they just see you as a walking wallet there for them rinse of as much cash as possible.

Okunevo · 01/04/2023 14:11

Added to that, as people on this thread are saying, there are different expected percentages, so if you read that 18% is expected and think you'll be kind, by rounding it up to 20%, you'll still leave people in areas/establishments where they expect 25% wondering why you're so mean or what they did to disappoint you.
If the link I posted upthread is correct, it seems you could tip 15% in California and not upset anyone as that is typical, but 25% might be expected in another state.

GulfCoastBeachGirl · 01/04/2023 14:27

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/04/2023 14:07

But just a blanket "service charge" tacked on with no explanation? Even this over-tipping-American would have an issue with that!

It's exactly that kind of practice that confuses tourists as to when a culture becomes a straight-up grift. It makes you think that all honesty has gone out of the window and, instead of a valued customer, they just see you as a walking wallet there for them rinse of as much cash as possible.

I agree with you. If they want to raise prices then go ahead and do so and I'll decide if I want to eat there or not. Same with automatically adding a gratuity. But just adding vague charges to the bill? On principle I wouldn't choose to dine there.

Nobody likes to feel like they're being taken advantage of, tourist or not.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 01/04/2023 14:36

GulfCoastBeachGirl · 01/04/2023 14:02

I'm still grappling with this 20% service charge being tacked on to the bill. We eat in restaurants all the time, on the east coast and in Florida and I've never seen this. If it's not a tip, then what is it for?

I've only seen an additional charge added in two scenarios:

*sometimes there will be a note saying "for parties of 6 or more an18% gratuity will be added" (so clearly a tip, and you'll be told this before you order)

Or

*after covid it was common in NYC to see a note on the menu saying "do to costs associated with covid guidelines we are adding a $xyz charge"

But just a blanket "service charge" tacked on with no explanation? Even this over-tipping-American would have an issue with that!

Same for me. And I live in an area of the US where there is a lot of tourist trade. The only time I ever see a service charge is the "large party" scenario, and even that is uncommon.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 01/04/2023 14:46

Okunevo · 01/04/2023 14:11

Added to that, as people on this thread are saying, there are different expected percentages, so if you read that 18% is expected and think you'll be kind, by rounding it up to 20%, you'll still leave people in areas/establishments where they expect 25% wondering why you're so mean or what they did to disappoint you.
If the link I posted upthread is correct, it seems you could tip 15% in California and not upset anyone as that is typical, but 25% might be expected in another state.

I still think that foreign visitors are safe going with 20%. I know a previous poster cited a source say the average in California (which pays full minimum wage to servers) is 15%, but according to this article, the average range in the US is a high of 21.8 (Delaware) and a low of 17.5 (California). The majority are in the 19-20% range.

https://money.com/states-best-worst-tippers-restaurants-ranking/

California Has the Worst Tippers in America, According to a New Ranking

The states with the most generous tippers might surprise you.

https://money.com/states-best-worst-tippers-restaurants-ranking

Lorrymum · 01/04/2023 15:05

I love visiting the USA but the whole tipping thing leaves me cold. We try to eat at self service shopping Malls if possible. I would rather spend my very hard earned cash on something other than subsidising the profits of restaurants who don't pay staff a living wage.
Visiting Disney theme parks and having a meal in a restaurant on site takes the biscuit. You pay OTT prices to stay in a Disney hotel and visit the theme park. As a 'captive" guest you have no option but eat in the hotel/park and pay a tip.

mathanxiety · 01/04/2023 19:58

@Lorrymum

You're aware that a server can make far, far more from tips than he or she can from 'a living wage', right?

You're not helping anyone or sticking it to the man by eating at food courts, and you're depriving yourself of decent food too.

That's quite an own goal.

Also, don't go to Disney. If you want a great day out with incredible rides, etc, Six Flags is the place for you.

mathanxiety · 01/04/2023 20:11

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/04/2023 14:04

So you do a bit of research about tipping and other customs before you visit the country. Isn't that normal?

Yes, but surely you realise that temporarily stepping into a different culture for two weeks doesn't make you comfortable or proficient in it, however many books or websites you read beforehand - especially considering that a lot of those disagree about it; and they may say 'a server', without it always being clear who considers themselves a server, providing a tip-worthy service.

Added to that, as people on this thread are saying, there are different expected percentages, so if you read that 18% is expected and think you'll be kind, by rounding it up to 20%, you'll still leave people in areas/establishments where they expect 25% wondering why you're so mean or what they did to disappoint you.

It would be a lot easier if everybody expecting a tip could wear a big badge telling people that, and the price/percentage of the expected tip, to avoid any confusion - if the culture prefers obscure and/or person-based pricing rather than just transparently putting prices on goods or menus. Sounds absurd, but that has to better than asking every single person who does anything for you whether you need to tip them and, if so, how much - how extremely awkward.

For most tourists, the choice will often either be to over/unnecessarily tip, to avoid offending anybody, or otherwise to under/not tip and wonder why all of the Americans they encounter seem so unpleasant after the bill has been paid.

You're massively overthinking this, and simultaneously underthinking it too.

A server is a waiter. They introduce themselves. 'Hi, I'm X and 'll be your server this evening.' Problem of identification immediately solved with no detective work needed.

You should tip about 20% in a restaurant. Figure out 10%, double it, Bob's your uncle.

At the end of a hotel stay, you can leave an envelope at the front desk with notes in it marked for bellboy, doorman, concierge, and anyone else who has served you if you are so moved. You should leave a tip for your housekeeper in the room where they will find it. Generally $10 for every day they've cleaned your room is a nice gesture for a housekeeper.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/04/2023 21:49

You're massively overthinking this, and simultaneously underthinking it too.

A server is a waiter. They introduce themselves. 'Hi, I'm X and 'll be your server this evening.' Problem of identification immediately solved with no detective work needed.

You should tip about 20% in a restaurant. Figure out 10%, double it, Bob's your uncle.

At the end of a hotel stay, you can leave an envelope at the front desk with notes in it marked for bellboy, doorman, concierge, and anyone else who has served you if you are so moved. You should leave a tip for your housekeeper in the room where they will find it. Generally $10 for every day they've cleaned your room is a nice gesture for a housekeeper.

So do people in hotels all introduce themselves with their title too? Is it just a case of all foreigners being expected to learn the list of tippable jobs (which this thread suggests is not actually universal), wait until somebody identifies themselves as doing one of those jobs, run through the list in their heads - or maybe whip out a little notebook - and check for a match? Bearing in mind that plenty of us Brits (even some Americans, it would seem) find it confusing - and a lot of tourists will not even be native English speakers.

What about the self-service places that have been mentioned upthread - should you serve yourself and then look for an employee to ask them if they'd like a random tip for being on the premises?

It seems so obvious to you, as it's your culture; but you can't just assume that everybody else will find it as obvious as you do. It does kind of support the aged stereotype that Americans don't realise that other cultures and languages even exist.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 01/04/2023 22:05

I'm fairly sure that Americans on MN realize that other cultures exist; otherwise we would not be on a forum based in the UK.

OP, some of us on this thread have tried to explain the basic ins and outs of the tipping system. There are, of course, a lot of other resources as well. I hope you have an enjoyable visit to the US. I think that you will feel welcomed by most of the people that you meet, including service staff.I live in an area of the country that depends heavily on tourism so we appreciate the contributions that foreign visitors make to our economy.

TizerorFizz · 01/04/2023 23:10

This is the list of tips etiquette from Visit USA. Not $10 a day for the room! Other tips are fairly sensible. Most are in the range of “double the tax”!

Who and how much to tip (USA)
mathanxiety · 02/04/2023 01:46

So do people in hotels all introduce themselves with their title too? Is it just a case of all foreigners being expected to learn the list of tippable jobs (which this thread suggests is not actually universal), wait until somebody identifies themselves as doing one of those jobs, run through the list in their heads - or maybe whip out a little notebook - and check for a match? Bearing in mind that plenty of us Brits (even some Americans, it would seem) find it confusing - and a lot of tourists will not even be native English speakers.

What about the self-service places that have been mentioned upthread - should you serve yourself and then look for an employee to ask them if they'd like a random tip for being on the premises?

It seems so obvious to you, as it's your culture; but you can't just assume that everybody else will find it as obvious as you do. It does kind of support the aged stereotype that Americans don't realise that other cultures and languages even exist.

More over- and under- thinking...
This isn't the rocket science you're making it out to be.

No, people don't introduce themselves with titles apart from waiters You really should be able to identify a role someone other than a waiter is performing. Leave an envelope with bills at the end of your stay for your bellboy, elevator attendant, concierge, doorman.

Do not tip at a self service. This should be self explanatory.

You'll possibly find a tip jar on a counter at a Starbucks or a neighbourhood pizza joint or a bagel place where they give you your order over the counter. You don't have to put money in it.

It really is as obvious as that.

And fwiw I am Irish. American culture is one I've got used to.

mathanxiety · 02/04/2023 01:48

Definitely $10 a day for housekeepers. They work very hard and you'd miss them if they didn't show up.

FromEden · 02/04/2023 02:10

Food courts expect a tip now, the option usually comes up on the screen when paying. Same with ordering food for pickup

Snoopsnoggysnog · 02/04/2023 05:24

mathanxiety · 02/04/2023 01:48

Definitely $10 a day for housekeepers. They work very hard and you'd miss them if they didn't show up.

What? It’s their job to show up surely? I don’t mind leaving $10-20 at the end of a stay but I don’t feel I need to leave $10 a day just to encourage them to show up to a job they are presumably employed to do!
some of these posts are bonkers.

RampantIvy · 02/04/2023 06:48

I think @mathanxiety is doing a sterling job at dissuading mumsnetter from ever visiting the US.

TizerorFizz · 02/04/2023 09:06

@Snoopsnoggysnog
Read the list from Visit The USA. They want people to visit and it’s a sensible explanation designed to help people. I agree with @RampantIvy . @mathanxiety is well over the top. Follow the advice from a sensible American source not anything ott you read here.

Lorrymum · 02/04/2023 09:19

What happens if you don't tip?
My husband worked in a hotel here in the UK. Guests from the US very fairly tipped.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 02/04/2023 10:21

This is the list of tips etiquette from Visit USA. Not $10 a day for the room!

So even somebody who keeps explaining how simple and straightforward it is to those of us who are bewildered by it is themselves greatly at odds with (one version of) official advice.

No, people don't introduce themselves with titles apart from waiters You really should be able to identify a role someone other than a waiter is performing. Leave an envelope with bills at the end of your stay for your bellboy, elevator attendant, concierge, doorman.

Do not tip at a self service. This should be self explanatory.

You'll possibly find a tip jar on a counter at a Starbucks or a neighbourhood pizza joint or a bagel place where they give you your order over the counter. You don't have to put money in it.

It really is as obvious as that.

But you were saying how easy it was to know whom to tip because they identify themselves as such - but it turns out that's only waiting staff. I'm only 'overthinking' or 'underthinking' it, as you say, because it's a whole system designed to ignore the most obvious simple way of selling goods and services and deliberately make it a massive unnecessary hassle at every stage.

I think restaurants are probably relatively navigable - assuming that you have just one waiter/ress and no separate sommelier wanting their proportion as well. But all these people in a hotel and their different roles are baffling. You say that it should be easy to identify them, but what about when some of their jobs are such trifling, simple tasks for able-bodied guests to do themselves? And you would hope that people (whether staff or other guests) would be keen to take 10 seconds to help disabled and elderly guests out of basic human kindness and not just to make some quick bucks out of their extra needs.

Even some of the job titles and roles are different from those we use even in the UK, where we speak the same language, so goodness knows how non-regular travellers from other nations and cultures understand it.

What's a bellboy (are adults and females not allowed to do this job)? Is it somebody who responds when you press the bell on the desk? If so, how does that differ from a receptionist? And if the bellboy is some kind of secondary receptionist, who responds to your pressing the bell by calling the concierge or housekeeping, does that mean you have to tip him just for calling somebody else whom you then also have to tip? And do you also have to tip the regular receptionist for being there and watching whilst you call for the bellboy?

Does a doorman really just stand there all day and open doors for people in places where they're too tight to instal standard automatic hotel doors? Or do they also function as bouncers - so you're effectively tipping them to show your gratitude at them not throwing you out?

What does an elevator attendant do, other than ask which floor you want and then press the appropriate button? Like doormen, and as I said before, the kind of 'jobs' you give to little children, to make them feel important.

In fact, back to restaurants, I've heard the word busboy, but I still don't know what it means. I presume it's not the obvious - bus driver - as you don't tend to have buses in the middle of restaurants; and only men and women are allowed to drive buses, not boys (or the seemingly non-existent girls). Is it something to do with bringing meals out to tables? If so, isn't that a basic part of the waiter's job, for which they're expecting 20-25% tip? Does the busboy also expect another 20-25%?

Considering that all of these people are supposedly there to make your life simpler and quicker, it does seem that most of them only serve to slow you down and expect money for the privilege, if you're constantly having to reach into your purse/wallet for an appropriate amount of cash at every single stage, to pay somebody who has just opened a door or pressed a button for you. Presumably, if a valet insists on parking your car for you, if they are not the same height as you, they will have to adjust the driver's seat, which is then another unnecessary job for you to have to get it back into the right position for you again. Sounds like you've more than earned a tip yourself!

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 02/04/2023 10:23

My husband worked in a hotel here in the UK. Guests from the US very fairly tipped.

What do you mean by 'very fairly'? Do you mean they tipped according to American culture? Especially as it isn't part of UK culture to tip hotel staff at all.

Lorrymum · 02/04/2023 11:32

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 02/04/2023 10:23

My husband worked in a hotel here in the UK. Guests from the US very fairly tipped.

What do you mean by 'very fairly'? Do you mean they tipped according to American culture? Especially as it isn't part of UK culture to tip hotel staff at all.

Sorry typo. Should read "rarely"

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 02/04/2023 11:38

Sorry typo. Should read "rarely"

Ah, thanks - that makes more sense!

Casilero · 02/04/2023 12:02

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll I agree that this entire thread is confusing. I thought it was starting to make sense until mathanxiety threw a spanner in the works by disagreeing with other Americans and even media articles about paying tips on top of a service charge and saying they'd even spit in people's food. Hmm think maybe best off leaving it. Perhaps I'll stick to less confusing countries with people who don't spit in your food or refuse to clean your room unless you pay them an extra 10 dollars a night.

SmugglersHaunt · 02/04/2023 12:19

Be careful tipping with their banknotes - which all look IDENTICAL to me. I thought I had tipped a $1 in a nightclub, then left to find I’d tipped $50 by mistake 😫(yes I was a bit drunk)