Wolf Hall discussion continuation thread

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Continuing the thread from Telly Addicts, just in time for episode 4

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/2288038-Damian-Lewis-fans-line-up-for-Wolf-Hall-tonight?msgid=52500336#52500336

Dan Autocorrect? Is that your dp?

@ Countess My autocorrect is too gentile to let me swear. Annoying bugger

gentile gentil MN seriously needs an edit button

Lord Copper,
I read Daughter of Time years ago and just loved it - have been a Richard III apologist ever since even though nobody else gave a toss and just wished I'd shut up. So I got a job as a car park attendant......

Yy, James Gandolfini would have been a wonderful TC. Sadly not to be.

So the writer of the musical score is Mark Rylance's wife? Or did I pick that up wrinkly?

Oh dear god, not wrinkly that's the auto correct, I meant wrongly!

The music is fabulous.

What should we do now that the series is over?

Luckily I'm only half way through the first book. Phew!

@Behooven Yep
She was music director of the globe while he was artistic director. Recycling some music from the 12th night production. Cd available for mother's day presents on globe website.

Ah, I see I have got Francis Weston and Francis Bryan muddled up.

Thomas Wyatt left out completely though?

Countess - belated thanks for techy advice

What I don't understand is - if the need for a male heir was so pressing, why did Henry spend so many years married to Catherine, before he went on his quest for male heirs? Was it just that Anne 'turned his head' or that he hit 40 and realised it wasn't going to happen with Catherine, or a bit of both?

(not up to usual intellectual quality of Qu I realise)

He was trying to annul his marriage to K for several years, plus She did have 6-7 pregnancies and a number of live born sons. I expect he waited until she was deemed beyond CB years or hadn't fallen pregnant for several years - what he did was pretty momentous.

'What should we do now that the series is over?'

You could buy my book which is out today?
It's nothing like Wolf Hall and it doesn't have Thomas Cromwell in it apart from a few insulting references, but you could read it and contemplate the irony of the fact that while to the northerners in my book he is an abbey-stealing bastard, you know the truth about how he is really a sad-eyed man who cuddles kittens

my book

(Also it has Norfolk in it and you've got to love a bit of Norfolk.)

Dopey, it might have been all those things but then someone suggested it.
Maybe it was just a matter of the right person being there to whisper the unthinkable into his ear....

Not just kittens, Hilary Mantel's arse kittens!

Ah, her last PG was 1518 and he fell for AB in 1525.

Lovely music. What a talented couple!

K was 39 in 1525 - five years older than Henry.

I always think it's interesting that if Henry had just waited for K to die, he could've skipped AB altogether and married Jane Seymour - and no break with Rome!

Do you think she would have died so soon if he hadn't been so cruel to her, sent her away to live in a draughty castle where she was always getting ill, banned her friends and daughter from visiting, etc?
IIRC she died of cancer, so it would have happened eventually anyway, but her misery and minor illnesses could have made it worse.

Ah, who knows? But she was 50 when she died, not a bad age.

I'd like a whole book on the gloriously vituperative Norfolk

The only full-length biography, The Ebbs and Flows of Fortune by David Head, is very dry.

House of Treason by Robert Hutchinson has a chapter on him which is more readable.

There's a historical novel about Norfolk, his wife and mistress, by Darcey Bonnette/D.L.Bogdan, which is lots of fun - she's a very lively writer - but the research is dodgy....

...He hunts chipmunks.

No ?

I'm reading a full biography of Katherine Howard at the moment, by Conor Byrne. It's really big in the importance of "fertility politics" to the Henrician court. I think you'd like it. Apparently the author spent 20 years researching it...