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Oxbridge graduates who can’t get a job

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AquaLeader · 13/08/2025 12:11

Interesting article in The Times this morning.

Meet the Oxbridge graduates who can’t get a (good) job -
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/oxbridge-graduates-cant-get-good-job-d9ddj9dff

It is unlikely to be a coincidence that the graduates highlighted all appear to hold degrees in the humanities.

Meet the Oxbridge graduates who can’t get a (good) job

Once a passport to a high-flying, highly paid career, a degree from Oxford or Cambridge no longer offers any guarantees. Meet the disillusioned smart set

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/oxbridge-graduates-cant-get-good-job-d9ddj9dff

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HippoStraw · 14/08/2025 16:00

People, including these graduates, forget that all the people who go to Oxbridge are bright, but not all the bright people go to Oxbridge. There are plenty of people with impressive CVs around.

Sevillian · 14/08/2025 16:40

TizerorFizz · 14/08/2025 09:26

I think several things stand out to me. Not one had mapped out a career and worked out what they needed to do to get it. Clearly the grad going back to Grimsby has limited options but MFL teachers are needed. Why not train to be a teacher? She has 2 MFLs schools want.

Also the other degrees have brought benefits to the students in that they liked what they studied, but none of them have developed career plans. They have gone abroad, barely done any work or volunteering and have frankly, done little other than yet more study that feels self indulgent.

They do have some stellar results but they seem weirdly reliant on the kudos of Oxford and how anyone surprised their friends have jobs is beyond silly. Of course they were applying for jobs.

The last grad doesn’t even want a job. The others have ludicrously scattergunned applications. They haven’t directed themselves at anything. They all need to choose a career and start doing what they need to do to get it.

So what this really tells us is some courses do have people on them that aren’t remotely work focussed early enough, don’t do enough in their holidays, do fairly worthless masters courses and seem to think Oxford is a golden ticket and they don’t need to do the prep for a job because somehow their degrees are enough. It just comes across as foolish and entitled.

Tizer some of the comments by these graduates are tongue in cheek and plenty of them are self deprecating. Also, they all appear willing to do minimum wage jobs to tide themselves over. Some posters could do with lightening up a little.

Juja · 14/08/2025 16:59

Snap - my DD sounds rather like your DD who also worked throughout upper sixth as a waitress and now goes back in her Uni holidays.

It is true that it is getting harder for graduates meaning even more effort is required to develop employability skills: https://www.morson.com/blog/why-graduates-are-struggling-get-hired

I think this article as with lots of journalism likes a human interest story but it would be wrong to draw conclusions about Oxford graduates from this unrepresentative group of individuals. There will be students finding it hard to get graduate jobs from every uni in the UK.
The Times Higher Education has Oxford as 2nd in the UK for Employability after Cambridge.

The latest HESA graduate outcomes data was published in July and can be found here: https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/graduates/releases

A back-view shot of a large group of graduates standing together, looking toward the horizon with hope

Where are the jobs? Why graduates are struggling to get hired

Across the UK, and around the world, graduates are finding it harder to land roles that match their qualifications. Many are forced into jobs that don’t reflect their skills or ambitions. So how can young people break through and secure the careers the...

https://www.morson.com/blog/why-graduates-are-struggling-get-hired

ClawsandEffect · 14/08/2025 17:07

HippoStraw · 14/08/2025 16:00

People, including these graduates, forget that all the people who go to Oxbridge are bright, but not all the bright people go to Oxbridge. There are plenty of people with impressive CVs around.

Sorry but not all Oxbridge people are bright. I know some right plonkers who went. There are lot of unfair admissions there.

TizerorFizz · 14/08/2025 17:14

@Sevillian The comments were given to a journalist. So what are we supposed to believe given the title? Plus others have agreed with my sentiments. I would say don’t get interviewed if the kitchen is too hot. Not sure how one is commenting tongue in cheek after 100 job applications! Is that stat meant to be funny? Or that you didn’t know your mates had jobs? Hilarious. Or that you believed you walked into a grad job because all your extended Oxbridge educated dynasty had done so? Yes - self deprecating and tongue in cheek or deluded?

Sevillian · 14/08/2025 17:30

TizerorFizz · 14/08/2025 17:14

@Sevillian The comments were given to a journalist. So what are we supposed to believe given the title? Plus others have agreed with my sentiments. I would say don’t get interviewed if the kitchen is too hot. Not sure how one is commenting tongue in cheek after 100 job applications! Is that stat meant to be funny? Or that you didn’t know your mates had jobs? Hilarious. Or that you believed you walked into a grad job because all your extended Oxbridge educated dynasty had done so? Yes - self deprecating and tongue in cheek or deluded?

To be fair to you Tizer a think there’s a fair old cocktail on show here, including at least a good old dollop of initial delusion. But that’s readily admitted to.

TizerorFizz · 14/08/2025 17:59

@Sevillian I think the delusion set in early - yes. That led to doing very little. Obviously they need to work out how to climb a career ladder but at the moment they don’t seem to know which ladder to choose and how to go about getting a cv that will help. It’s very rudderless.

ShippingA · 14/08/2025 18:00

I think these graduates underestimate the reputational risk. Some may feel that being honest about their struggles is the way forward. Oxford can create immense pressure, so if they didn’t land top-tier jobs or feel lost post-graduation, they might want to push back on the myth that elite education equals automatic success.

It’s fair to say that whatever made these graduates decide not to plan for their careers post-graduation also made them agree to this interview. It shows that being book smart or educated at an elite university doesn’t always equal being professionally strategic. It’s privileged miscalculation.

They’re saying, “It’s shocking that I, an Oxford graduate, am facing this,” and “I’m failing, but I’m still special enough for The Times to write about me,”, continuing to not read the room (or the job market).

To a potential employer, the way they present themselves in public could easily come across as lacking drive, direction, and self-awareness in short, likely to be slackers and a potential burden to their team. I guess, for privileged middle-class youngsters with a safety net, the consequences of such an interview might feel more theoretical than real.

Araminta1003 · 14/08/2025 18:36

So all of you criticising these “kids”, you had it all sussed out at 22/23 and are now in top jobs earning 200k plus a year? Or you have made real valuable contributions to thought/arts/science?!

At least these kids applied to Oxford and did the work to get in and whilst there. My 16 year old got shown round Oxbridge, looked at the boys as a group and said they were too ugly and is aiming for Durham! Despite being bright and having a very high IQ. She wants to go to Durham where a lot of the private school kids (and apparently a future rich husband) are and have a party. That is what I have to contend with. Her alternative choice is Imperial. She tutors and has a part time job and 3 Grade 8 Distinctions in music exams. But she does not want to go to a nerdy uni like Oxford and do loads of work!

TizerorFizz · 14/08/2025 18:47

@Araminta1003 DD1 did. Yes. But she’s a self starter and did what was required. Didn’t disappear on a gap yah paid for by benefits and got the necessary experience for the career she wanted. I cannot agree with the “poor little me” scenario but the self reflecting comments - yes. They have realised mistakes were made and pure academics are not a measure of value in the work place. They can of course change tack but they agreed to tell their stories.

Sevillian · 14/08/2025 18:52

Yes whizzing off on benefits is a bit annoying for sure.

Delphigirl · 14/08/2025 19:52

Araminta1003 · 14/08/2025 18:36

So all of you criticising these “kids”, you had it all sussed out at 22/23 and are now in top jobs earning 200k plus a year? Or you have made real valuable contributions to thought/arts/science?!

At least these kids applied to Oxford and did the work to get in and whilst there. My 16 year old got shown round Oxbridge, looked at the boys as a group and said they were too ugly and is aiming for Durham! Despite being bright and having a very high IQ. She wants to go to Durham where a lot of the private school kids (and apparently a future rich husband) are and have a party. That is what I have to contend with. Her alternative choice is Imperial. She tutors and has a part time job and 3 Grade 8 Distinctions in music exams. But she does not want to go to a nerdy uni like Oxford and do loads of work!

Yes. By 23 I was a trainee solicitor in a magic circle firm and I haven’t earned less than 150k pa since I was 28, almost 30 years ago. Obviously considerably more now.

Delphigirl · 14/08/2025 19:54

ClawsandEffect · 14/08/2025 17:07

Sorry but not all Oxbridge people are bright. I know some right plonkers who went. There are lot of unfair admissions there.

I also agree with that but I don’t think they let in many plonkers these days. 100s of them in the 80s/90s.

Testerical · 14/08/2025 20:07

The thing that strikes me about all the people in the original article is how complacent they were.

I’d bet none of them grew up in poverty. And only a couple mention paid work experience of any duration. That’s not to say wealthy kids shouldn’t get good jobs if they do well, just that they are up against graduates who might have more life (and work) experience.

Araminta1003 · 14/08/2025 20:10

@Delphigirl - and your DC they are going to Oxford or Cambridge?
My 16 year old is a high achieving self starter, she has numerous tutor jobs paying her 20-25 pounds an hour, babysitting jobs, teaches piano and singing and volunteers in local schools too. She is bright and sociable and achieve highly in tests, but she is not what I would call “academic”. Actively dislikes museums. She has done several internships this summer already, one with a big bank. Which she applied for. Her friends with her profile are doing the graduate apprenticeships. I want her to go to university though.

Testerical · 14/08/2025 20:11

@Araminta1003 well, at least she will get social skills, providing she mixes not only with private school kids and gets a term time job in a supermarket or something.

Socialise endlessly at your peril. It’s a really bad idea, although fun at the time.

where I work (and I think this is increasingly common outside magic circle etc) we couldn’t give two hoots about whether someone has got a degree and even less about where the degree came from. It’s all about demonstrating skills for the job, tenacity, reliability, turning up.

Delphigirl · 14/08/2025 20:15

Araminta1003 · 14/08/2025 20:10

@Delphigirl - and your DC they are going to Oxford or Cambridge?
My 16 year old is a high achieving self starter, she has numerous tutor jobs paying her 20-25 pounds an hour, babysitting jobs, teaches piano and singing and volunteers in local schools too. She is bright and sociable and achieve highly in tests, but she is not what I would call “academic”. Actively dislikes museums. She has done several internships this summer already, one with a big bank. Which she applied for. Her friends with her profile are doing the graduate apprenticeships. I want her to go to university though.

None of my 4 were interested in applying. Partly because we live in oxford and they are consequently unmoved by nice quads, and think Cambridge is like oxford but quieter.

Delphigirl · 14/08/2025 20:18

@Araminta1003 She sounds like an active competent and interesting person, who will be well placed to get a good job whether she goes to uni or takes another path. And can do very well academically without liking museums!

Bumblenums · 14/08/2025 20:27

I work in publishing- graduated 17 years ago, the only way I managed it was starting as a trainee bookseller and working my way up - I couldn't afford the unpaid internships, and I took first low pay admin job I got offered. I think like a lot of grads (my young self included) you assume you will walk in to a high paying job. Employers are after graft, resilience and experience. I don't think I've been asked about my degree...ever!

AnneElliotsBestFriend · 14/08/2025 20:28

My daughter did voluntary work both during her A levels and at University. Whilst this was not directly related to her career choice it certainly stood her in good stead when navigating the assessment stages of graduate recruitment schemes as it gave her real life experiences on which she could draw.

Testerical · 14/08/2025 20:38

@Araminta1003 seeing your last post I doubt your daughter will have any trouble getting a job. She’s driven and self-sufficient.

RampantIvy · 14/08/2025 20:43

Delphigirl · 14/08/2025 19:52

Yes. By 23 I was a trainee solicitor in a magic circle firm and I haven’t earned less than 150k pa since I was 28, almost 30 years ago. Obviously considerably more now.

Not everyone knows what they want to do at 18 or are as smug about it

OMGitsnotgood · 14/08/2025 20:48

AnneElliotsBestFriend · 14/08/2025 20:28

My daughter did voluntary work both during her A levels and at University. Whilst this was not directly related to her career choice it certainly stood her in good stead when navigating the assessment stages of graduate recruitment schemes as it gave her real life experiences on which she could draw.

i am sure it did. Too many people (students and parents) think the university and degree is the be all and end all - it really isnt

Delphigirl · 14/08/2025 20:49

RampantIvy · 14/08/2025 20:43

Not everyone knows what they want to do at 18 or are as smug about it

I was answering a direct question. Your chip is showing.

ShippingA · 14/08/2025 20:59

RampantIvy · 14/08/2025 20:43

Not everyone knows what they want to do at 18 or are as smug about it

How is this smug?

It's lovely, I thought amazing, well done (and can you please advise my YP who wants to read law) (and I wish I had trained as a solicitor) 😜