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Son not allowed to continue to second year at uni

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PocketSand · 06/08/2025 16:25

DS2 has just completed his first year in an engineering degree. His results are all over the place from 1st in maths to 2:2 to required resits. He exceeded the A level grade requirements for MEng. He is autistic and has ADHD. He was un medicated prior to and during most of his first year due to shortages followed by referral to cardiology.

His DSA support didn't start til the spring term and one support worker provided 1 hour support when 30 hours was approved. He constantly tells the one he has seen that everything is fine and they believe him.

He always says everything is fine and doesn't ask for help. He has never been to the library and relies totally on lecture notes. He doesn't know what independent study is. I have always been his advocate but now he is expected to advocate for himself. No one at the uni knows these issues - he has not even contacted his personal tutor let alone disability services and just thinks he needs to work harder.

He found out today that he has failed his third submission of a lab report he initially submitted in February. He did not have DSA agreed support at that time so he didn’t have his own laptop. He borrowed another student’s at the time but when he had to resubmit no longer had access to his results and so he tried to cobble together a report using specimen (and maybe someone else’s results - not clear). He had previously received an email saying he couldn’t proceed unless he passed resubmission. I assume that’s where we are at now.

His feedback is harsh - shouldn’t study for a degree if not prepared to use feedback to improve his work. Trouble is he often doesn’t understand the feedback and he is unwilling to ask for clarification as he fears tutor’s anger. He says he doesn’t know who marked the work so doesn’t know who to talk to and seems generally clueless about most administrative issues.

I feel completely in the dark and don’t know where to go from here. Obviously I don’t want to just give up and accept his journey ends here as it seems very unfair but don’t know what I can do to try and enable him to fix this or if it can be fixed.

Can anyone who knows the system provide advice on next steps please?

OP posts:
Twiglets1 · 06/08/2025 21:36

PocketSand · 06/08/2025 17:00

@TomeTomeI intend to contact disability support tomorrow.

@Michele09He didn’t even revise maths but got a 1st. I thought he should study maths but his choice was engineering.

It seems obvious he should switch to a maths degree starting in September. He has tried Engineering and it hasn’t worked out. No shame in that and he will still be able to get a student loan for a 3 year maths degree.

He should have had access to a laptop the whole time though.

Fetaface · 06/08/2025 21:43

You say you always advocated for him which is why he cannot advocate for himself. He has never had to so doesn't know how to. He has never had the chance to develop these skills because someone else came in and swept every problem out of his way for him. Now is the time for you to help him and to model it to him, not sure why you never did before and helped him to develop those independence skills. They do not just happen. Like anything else a child needs to learn these. So that might be one job for you before he returns.

He also doesn't know what independent study is. Again he wasn't prepared for uni if he never was shown how to study for A-levels. What will you do you show him what it is and how to do it?

He needs to solve this problem with your support. He doesn't need to you step in and manage it for him or again he will not learn. Show him what to do and then be there with him encouraging HIM to do it with your support. Model it to him, let him rehearse it first for calls and you can proof read his emails but he must do this himself or he will not learn and you'll find yourself trying to step in in 5 years time when he needs to push for a pay rise etc.

Uptightmum · 06/08/2025 21:46

While I understand he adhd.

he needs to learn to be on his own 2 feet.

how’s he going to fair in the work place? He can’t have his mum ringing his work place.

he’s an adult now, and unfortunately it sounds like he hasnt been prepared with the skills needed to be an independent adult and has always had you there doing it for him. It’s time to start loosing the strings and help him transition into an independent life

HevenlyMeS · 06/08/2025 21:49

This seems to be excellent guidance 💚🌼💚God Bless You&Yours

stichguru · 06/08/2025 21:50

I work in a college with adult learners and the bottom line here I think, is that institutional policies and legal rules are very different for adult learners. In pre 18 education, the general practice is that when information about in individual is shared with the institution, it can be shared with those who the institution deems need to know for the learner's well being, unless the person sharing the information asks it not to be. With post 18 learners, it is very much presumed that this information is not to be shared without permission, so it would be up to your son to ASK tutors for the support he needs, unless he has specifically asked disability services to share the info with tutors.

TheLivelyViper · 06/08/2025 21:52

@PocketSandThe university should have a study skills mentor or place for advice on studying. He needs to ask the services in his uni for help, go and talk to his personal tutor, his specialist mentor that he got from DSA, ifhe constantly just lies to them and says he's fine they cannot support him with the tools they have. He can ask for his lectures to be aware of his disabilities and the Disability team will make sure they tell them, but he has to consent to this first they cannot do it otherwise. ECHP's don't apply at university, they don't use them, so even if it says he masks on it, the staff won't know and cannot help. It's not like school where they go to find
him, he needs to find them and go to the meetings with his personal tutor, reach out todisability support. Since you have now gotten permission to be in contact with them, I recommend setting up a meeting with him and disability advisor and you then they can create a learning support plan which can be shared with all staff he comes in contact with. They are very good with this adding exam arrangements, tools so recording lectures, he should also have gotten some assistive technology from DSA which can help. I'd also push him to make sure he sees his personal tutor next year regularly and is honest also the university should have acess to mental health services and maybe having someone to talk to could help him with strategies and tools so he could consider that. Retaking might be the best option to start from scratch but with the support in place for him.

Redburnett · 06/08/2025 22:00

Sorry to say this but realistically is he actually capable of studying engineering at uni level? The fact that he didn't even recognise he needed a laptop is mind boggling. Support cannot do the work for him. The story about the resubmitted report is just absurd - what he did shows a complete lack of understanding of the assignment brief/marking criteria, and an incredibly immature response to his own failure to understand he needed a laptop. I would be amazed if the uni accept him back, but I hope he finds something he can cope with and is good at.

GoldPoster · 06/08/2025 22:06

I agree with you he’s doing the wrong degree. I was trying to envisage him working as an engineer and couldn’t see it at all. Maths sounds much better for him. I don’t know if it would be possible to change?

istheresomethingishouldsay · 06/08/2025 22:28

SausageRoll2020 · 06/08/2025 16:37

Maybe this is a time for him to re-evaluate his strengths and look at what is most likely to be a successful path for him going forwards including in his future career.

He might need support to work on areas such as receiving and understanding feedback, approaching tutors/managers/colleagues for support and guidance before he looks for a more suitable course or employment. Regardless of where he ends up, these kind of basic skills are universally needed.

Agree.

There's no point in pursuing this if he's not willing to ask for and use necessary support. And it's going to be hard even if he does get the support he needs.

TheMathofLoveTriangles · 06/08/2025 22:32

Everyday99 · 06/08/2025 20:13

I should have thought that SUPPORT WITH COMMUNICATION is the first thing an Uni will do for autistic people. They are failing him, not him himself.

No, university is not for supporting adults to be effective communicators. That’s what school is for. University is for professional level learning. First year is the easy year. If he hasn’t coped with that, it doesn’t bode well.

peachesarenom · 06/08/2025 22:45

Hi OP!

I think you've done an amazing job supporting him and advising him and him getting to university!

I also think you were absolutely right to respect his need to become independent and you've given him that space and now is the right time to step him and teach him how to advocate for himself because I'm sure he wants to continue his degree

I would also take some time to help him see that things he finds easy are also of real value. It's not just things you work hard to succeed at that should make you proud. He has a gift in maths and he should be proud of his achievements even if it's 'easy'!

I think you're amazing!

istheresomethingishouldsay · 06/08/2025 22:46

TheMathofLoveTriangles · 06/08/2025 22:32

No, university is not for supporting adults to be effective communicators. That’s what school is for. University is for professional level learning. First year is the easy year. If he hasn’t coped with that, it doesn’t bode well.

Agree.
My oldest has just finished his second year doing an engineering course ... a brutal year in comparison to Year 1!

FlockofSquirrels · 06/08/2025 23:25

What a tough position to be in as a parent, OP. I'm sorry your DS is struggling.

I've read through the thread and I keep coming back to the fact that your DS is actively resisting supports and assistance (both what's available to all students and what's available to him through DSA). In your initial post it wasn't quite as clear (you said DSA support didn't start until spring, he didn't have his agreed laptop yet, he only received 1 of the approved 30 hours, etc) but reading your subsequent comments it seems like this was really a result of DS doing things like ignoring emails, insisting he was fine and refusing recommendations, and I think this is the most important piece of the picture. I don't say that because I want to lay blame on your DS but because I think that's the problem that has to be grappled with or no other solutions will work. Adding on more support and more "pressure" to accept them can actually be counterproductive when a person isn't ready/willing to do so because it often just compounds the thoughts and feelings behind the refusal.

Is your DS willing to consider counseling or mentorship to help him sort through some thoughts and feelings? I understand that communication struggles are part of his diagnosis and reluctance to ask for help/active refusal is also related, but the truth is that these are not unique to being ND and AuDHD people also experience all of the underlying emotions that drive and perpetuate those behaviors in NT people (shame and fear often being at the top of the list) but are even less able to identify, explore and process those feelings.

Agoddessonamountaintop · 07/08/2025 00:09

XelaM · 06/08/2025 19:49

People on this thread being very unfair (and ableist!). Your son sounds super bright and I think you should make him switch to a Maths degree and start afresh. He sounds a bit like my brother who also has a Maths-genius type of brain. He's now super successful working for a tech giant.

I agree with you about the maths - although I don’t have a brother in the same situation as yours but two of my DCs are maths grads, both with Master’s and one doing a PhD. Granted, they didn’t have the neurological challenges your DS has but I’ve always been lost in admiration for their ability and I’d have hsted for them to be struggling at something that wasn’t their strong subject.
OP, it’s such a particular and special skill to have and there’s such a huge range of opportunities open to those with that ability (NOT accountancy or an apprenticeship).
Funny that he’s dismissive of the thing that comes easily to him, when that’s likely the area in which he’ll find a sense of relative ease and flow, rather than trying to get better at the Hard Thing (for him). Been there, not fun. Good luck with all this.

softlyfallsthesnow · 07/08/2025 00:23

Fetaface · 06/08/2025 21:43

You say you always advocated for him which is why he cannot advocate for himself. He has never had to so doesn't know how to. He has never had the chance to develop these skills because someone else came in and swept every problem out of his way for him. Now is the time for you to help him and to model it to him, not sure why you never did before and helped him to develop those independence skills. They do not just happen. Like anything else a child needs to learn these. So that might be one job for you before he returns.

He also doesn't know what independent study is. Again he wasn't prepared for uni if he never was shown how to study for A-levels. What will you do you show him what it is and how to do it?

He needs to solve this problem with your support. He doesn't need to you step in and manage it for him or again he will not learn. Show him what to do and then be there with him encouraging HIM to do it with your support. Model it to him, let him rehearse it first for calls and you can proof read his emails but he must do this himself or he will not learn and you'll find yourself trying to step in in 5 years time when he needs to push for a pay rise etc.

I'm sure OP is kicking herself now for not following such sensible advice. If only she'd done a better job, her DS wouldn't be facing an uncertain future and all would be well.

Have you tried to manage an academically very able child with pronounced autistic traits through the minefield of adolescence, exams, university applications etc? Not to mention coping with university when they get there.If you have, you will know that the factors you list that most people manage, are the very ones that their disability gets in the way of. If her son, on top of all that, is in denial of his difficulties 'because he wants to be like everyone else' then you've got a bit of a catch 22.

You can model it till the cows come home, but it won't make a blind bit of difference if he can't understand why that's a good idea and so doesn't cooperate. OP's son needs some serious help - and many people have made excellent suggestions - but tough love is just not going to work right now.

caringcarer · 07/08/2025 00:32

It sounds like Maths is his strength. Can he swap to a Maths degree?

Elleherd · 07/08/2025 00:34

I wrote a long post before Ds walked in. About what I had to do to help ASD DS survive and acclimatize and I was an awful lot harder than you in enforcing readiness, through independent study and a love of libraries after he had to be home educated through IGCSE's and A levels, regardless of EHCP's etc.

He wouldn't accept DLA as a child as didn't believe he was disabled.
Everyone else was the problem. These things have consequences so he later had to take a gap year so we could both save for him and he got to mature a bit. But also wasn't prepared to deal with DSA as didn't believe he needed it and didn't want to be labelled or different, and also refused to apply for PIP.
That stubbornness can be the making or breaking of them depending where they focus it.

Ds also could only access uni's living at home. Was very realistic that he could learn independent living, or he could do a degree, but not both at the same time.
Was right but a warning sign about how much each day took out of him.

It took him a 1st year of M.Eng at one uni, and then another 1st year of his second degree course at the same university that I'd enrolled at, (which got him there and back, but usually minus something needed) and huge support from me often on site, before how to navigate and survive, then thrive, finally clicked in properly.
It came only just in time as 2nd year was massively harder and less leeway given. There where still serious meltdowns. That was with some of the more important academic skills already in place. His mental exhaustion levels where scary. Spiky profiles are hard going.

I suspect your Ds has started without enough basic general skills to understand how his course works and utilize what uni offers, and you've assumed DSA will look after him rather more than they will if he isn't seeking them out.
He sounds just not yet be uni ready even with support from DSA, no matter how academically able in some areas he is. It's not a disaster not to be. There's time.

I saw others on both Ds's course, and my own, who really weren't ready or able and didn't manage to engage enough to do more than survive on extension after extension with capped marks, and eventually either accepting a DipHE or
scraped low 2.2's or thirds but without actually acquiring the skills needed to use the education or gain more than very basic NMW work on exit. Refusing to let him continue if he's struggling this badly, may be a kindness in disguise.

I may be wrong, but I know how much home support Ds needed to get him to the point he was able to use uni education and his tutors well.
Your Ds has used a years funding and still has three years of available funding left,enough for a degree still, and is very young. I'd be very careful not to let them potentially get wasted by trying to push him through at this point when he may need it at another.
Wishing you the best, it's not easy whatever you do.

Some (slightly brutal) comments from DS:
Uni support systems aren't there to make the horse drink. They are there to help direct horses complaining about thirst find where the water is.
The library is one of the perks of uni and if you spend three years in it, even if you failed your degree, you wouldn't have wasted your time. There's stuff in there that lecturers don't bother telling you.

If a student isn't requesting and engaging with academic and admin support there's no uni obligation to provide it at all. Tutors aren't generally interested in students who wont help themselves, they've met too many of them.

Parental interference (and that is how uni will see it even with his permission) will only get him so far. A degree is part of showing you can independently function, and seek appropriate support when you can't, and are therefore a useful as well as educated bod, no matter what issues you come with.

M.Eng depts can be the worst for sink or swim attitudes. Personal tutors being distant is normal. Half the dept is ASD and disinterested in communication.
At least one phd student who is further on the spectrum than you is likely to be part of the teaching staff.

Ist yr M.Eng maths is about leveling the maths ability of the cohort especially the gap between maths and further maths students. FM students will 100% coast this module. He's right that it means nothing. (fellow maths brain)

Fluid dynamics is probably the most challenging 1st yr module and a good indicator of subject engagement and ability.
(If similar structure) then material science module is the least maths based module which means if he's leaning heavily on maths ability rather than overall scientific ability this is where it will show up.
M.Eng requires more teamwork and communication than they tell you.

From a holistic marking perspective how you respond to feedback is vital in any uni study. Failing to respond is seen as ignoring tutors. In uni it informs the stages of your coursework, and may be telling you how to answer the question. (Somewhere there may be a frustrated lecturer banging their head on the wall crying why isn't he reading my feedback that would get him the pass?)

If he is hoping to get a further resit on this module and then interrupt to catch up, he needs to resit before end of August to avoid a huge mess with his student finance.

Needspaceforlego · 07/08/2025 00:40

8TinyToeBeans · 06/08/2025 19:51

I’d strongly suggest looking into a different course. Engineering is a course - and career - that requires strong organisation, management, team work, etc. I remember first year being the easy year, lulling me into a false sense of security then it really ramped up hard! I’m a structural engineer, and I think mechanical engineering is a more intense course.

It’s also a career where you need to be proactive. And it doesn’t end at graduation. I’m 10 years into my career and I still need to ask questions, liaise with colleagues who have different skill sets, bring together information, identify gaps in knowledge, plan tasks, manage tasks and mentor junior team members. And I’m still not an ‘experienced’ team member so I expect to be asking questions for many years!

I totally agree with this.
TBH I struggle to see the point in him studying to degree level and gaining a mountain of student debt if hes always going to struggle as a professional.

Maybe he'd be better and happier in a less career focused role.
A maths degree might be great but what would it actually lead to for him?

The only people who seem to do maths at degree level are teachers. It doesn't sound like he'll have the social skills to explain maths to a kid who doesn't 'get it'

I'd have a serious think about the career options that are open to him. And remember its not just the academic sides that matters.

Strangerthanfictions · 07/08/2025 00:52

This is true, we cannot force students to engage with support. I am often assigned students who I contact and try to engage with but if they are unwilling to come to sessions there is very little I can do other than email to remind them the support is there if they want it throughout the semester, not all support is provided in house and the student needs to take some responsibility for independent management of their studies and support the university won't spoon feed although the DSA will usually direct students towards their support if the student goes to them for help. Do you know what kinds of support your son has been offered? Mental health mentor? Study skills? Autism mentor? There are also prompts, readers, scribes, assistants that can be put in place, the support is varied. As an academic tutor I get sight of all my students assessments with their requirements such as extra time, advance viewing of class materials, not to be asked direct questions in class etc and I refer to this when doing assessments or marking to ensure adjustments are made but I don't know if they are engaging with mentors or not.

Falseknock · 07/08/2025 01:04

PocketSand · 06/08/2025 17:08

@BeltaLodaLifeI wanted to buy him a laptop for the start of the course but he insisted he didn’t need one. DSA persuaded him he did but due to not responding to emails its arrival was delayed. The uni are well aware of his extra needs and have been since he applied. It was required with evidence including EHCP and medical and reports for the uni and disability support. Unfortunately teaching staff are unaware of his disabilities and he is masking with them.

Can you contact the head of the course if he decides to retake year 1. It wouldn't hurt you can probably find all his teachers emails on the website.

gavisconismyfriend · 07/08/2025 01:20

DontWheeshtMe · 06/08/2025 19:46

His autism and adhd won’t be counted as extenuating circumstances because they were known before.

Extenuating circumstances in OPs sons case would have to be date specific, with evidence. They would have to relate to why on three occasions his piece of work didn’t pass. ( if that’s the only issue here )

The Uni can look over an appeal and offer suggestions but only in terms of advising on procedure and whether he’s answered all required areas. They don’t advice on what to write and will not advice on whether the information given is sufficient to get through the appeal.

His adhd and autism were known before but the EC here would relate to the relevant adjustments not being in place. Our Student Union definitely do help students write their appeals, but perhaps other places are different.

KilkennyCats · 07/08/2025 01:24

gavisconismyfriend · 07/08/2025 01:20

His adhd and autism were known before but the EC here would relate to the relevant adjustments not being in place. Our Student Union definitely do help students write their appeals, but perhaps other places are different.

How do you know they weren’t in place? Op says he literally just went in to the tutorials, and didn’t engage beyond that.

gavisconismyfriend · 07/08/2025 01:48

KilkennyCats · 07/08/2025 01:24

How do you know they weren’t in place? Op says he literally just went in to the tutorials, and didn’t engage beyond that.

Based my comment on info in the original post. OP says he didn’t have meds due to short supply and DSA support didn’t start til Spring when he first submitted this assessment in February.

ParmaVioletTea · 07/08/2025 01:50

@PocketSand with respect, academics and administrative staff are not mind-readers. If your DS does not tell them what he needs, how are they to know?

There is also the issue of confidentiality. As a HoD, I don't always know about every student's special circumstances - nor should I. Only staff who need to know are given the information, and if your DS does not engage, there is very little we can do. Also, adjustments and accommodations have to be "reasonable", and may include some kind of discussion with the student about what they need to do as well. Certainly our special circumstances plans all have a section where it's outlined what's been discussed with the student & their responsibilities & obligations eg. to contact their personal tutor promptly when they are not able to attend lectures & seminars.

Like another poster, I'd ask you to seriously consider whether your DS is ready for university. He needs to be much more independent than he is capable of being at the moment, and frankly (another harsh bit of feedback) you cannot keep on picking up after him.

Could he use some PIP or DLA to have some goal-oriented and learning difficulty/ND specific counselling on strategies for adjusting to greater independence at university? Things like advocating for himself, dealing with what sounds like "rejection sensitivity" (a common co-morbidity with ADHD), being OK to ask for help?

It must be very frustrating for you at the moment, but reading all your posts, I am also frustrated at the way you seem to blame the university & its staff for not being psychic. So, notwithstanding his disabilities, I really don't think he's ready for the nature of life at university. It sounds as though he's very bright & capable in some aspects of the work (but not others), but coping with university is not just about exams and assignments.

Could you focus on one step at a time - getting him prepared for university life ie more independent life? Then he can go back to his actual course.

And as a side note, it is highly unlikely he's simply been "not allowed to continue" - he will have been offered resits or a repeated year, or repeated modules. At my place, the refer/defer period has just finished (oh the joys of marking on my summer holiday) but other places have re-sits & referral/repeat deadlines until early September.

In Engineering, most degrees at most universities (but maybe not all) require certain standards because award of the degree is subject to external registration & qualification standards for engineers nationally and internationally (similar to medics).

ParmaVioletTea · 07/08/2025 01:58

Was very realistic that he could learn independent living, or he could do a degree, but not both at the same time.
Was right but a warning sign about how much each day took out of him.

Highly recommend @Elleherd 's post - what she's said from experience of her own DC is a kind of mirror image or complement to my experience as an academic in teaching and trying to support students who struggle (from all sorts of difficulties, not just ND)