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Southampton publishes Clearing grade requirements

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HPFA · 09/07/2025 20:58

I think this is the first time I've seen an RG Uni publishing Clearing grade requirements before Results Day.

It's not for all courses but a lot of popular subjects nonetheless

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/clearing/course-vacancies?subject=All+Subjects&filter=&studentType=uk&availableOnly=true

Not sure what it means for those students holding offers at Southampton - does it indicate how far they can drop grades and still get in?

Clearing course list

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/clearing/course-vacancies?availableOnly=true&filter=&studentType=uk&subject=All+Subjects

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poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 08:56

Again, I didn’t mean to sound harsh above and apologise if I did.

I think most YP begin uni wanting to be their best selves, even those who have not been devoted to academic before. But it’s not so easy to form new habits in a new environment, and it is very easy to feel intimidated. IMO these risks are much greater when you’ve scraped your way in.

I asked DH (an RG mathematician) last night about the Liverpool Maths Clearing and he was ….. surprised He feels strongly that someone with a B in Maths wanting to do Maths should go for a programme catering to their background. He said ‘Our course modules wouldn’t suit them.’ (Not Liverpool, however) But he had no doubt that a different set of course modules would, and that this YP could get a degree leading on to a good graduate scheme. Probably at a post 1992 institution.

Also, there is always the option to do a gap year, retake A levels whilst trying to earn and explain in your application that you’ve grown up. Not everyone will give a second chance but enough will. We do.

WorkingHorse · 12/07/2025 08:58

2 yrs ago my DS got into York with BBB despite his offer being AAA and the clearing requirement being AAB or ABB (can’t remember which). That was for engineering.

HPFA · 12/07/2025 09:23

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 08:56

Again, I didn’t mean to sound harsh above and apologise if I did.

I think most YP begin uni wanting to be their best selves, even those who have not been devoted to academic before. But it’s not so easy to form new habits in a new environment, and it is very easy to feel intimidated. IMO these risks are much greater when you’ve scraped your way in.

I asked DH (an RG mathematician) last night about the Liverpool Maths Clearing and he was ….. surprised He feels strongly that someone with a B in Maths wanting to do Maths should go for a programme catering to their background. He said ‘Our course modules wouldn’t suit them.’ (Not Liverpool, however) But he had no doubt that a different set of course modules would, and that this YP could get a degree leading on to a good graduate scheme. Probably at a post 1992 institution.

Also, there is always the option to do a gap year, retake A levels whilst trying to earn and explain in your application that you’ve grown up. Not everyone will give a second chance but enough will. We do.

I would imagine that a B in Maths A Level and a Maths degree could make you a very good Maths teacher or accountant. Possibly a better teacher than the A star student who cant understand why kids would have difficulties with the subject.

I dont know about Keele accepting a D in Maths for a Maths degree though. I wonder about the level they must be teaching at to accomodate this.

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Fabfabfab · 12/07/2025 09:45

poetryandwine · 11/07/2025 22:48

This is a great question. I think the best answer may not resonate with DC until after they have experience of university.

With rare exceptions (eg a bereavement or breakup during exam season) better exam results, particularly in core subjects, will prime you for a better university experience. My biggest worry about those admitted with substandard grades concerns their university experience.

I came up under a system where a state exam carried great weight. Top scorers got preferential university admission. The exam was largely a test of intellectual power, and I arrogantly but accurately assumed I would ace it. Therefore I slacked off badly in high school. I took care not to disqualify myself from the top uni tier (assuming top exam performance) but nothing more.

Well, I chose Nerd Tech U and all my classmates seemed to have been studying for 60 hrs/wk all through high school. I struggled until I lucked into a course module thought hellish that totally clicked with my thinking. The lecturer was an influential professor and he both gave me confidence and paved my way.

This turned my life around, although if am honest the professor’s glam, young wife in a related field - we had few women in STEM in my country and almost none were physical role models - was also a factor.

But I digress. The point is that meeting the admissions standards means that you are prepared to meet the challenge, at least in theory. And if not, not. The teaching pedagogy is, or should be, designed for the band of students who meet the admissions standards.

Everyone tries to justify the need for bums on seats as giving others a chance. That’s true. I know that when it’s a question of work habits only a (gratifying) minority adjust. I would think that amongst hard workers even fewer do. Ultimately money is driving these. decisions

That's a good point and perhaps that's why some Universities have higher drop out rates. My own experience was that A-levels were probably slightly harder than University, at least compared to the first year of Uni. But as you say, working hard for your A-levels sets you up well for the pace of studying at Uni

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 09:59

HPFA · 12/07/2025 09:23

I would imagine that a B in Maths A Level and a Maths degree could make you a very good Maths teacher or accountant. Possibly a better teacher than the A star student who cant understand why kids would have difficulties with the subject.

I dont know about Keele accepting a D in Maths for a Maths degree though. I wonder about the level they must be teaching at to accomodate this.

This is a great point. I agree.

ExRG · 12/07/2025 09:59

@HPFA When I worked at The University of Nottingham the Politics and IR course required triple A and we turned away students that did not get triple A, I worked in admissions there and specifically remember a student who had got AAB being turned down by me, she showed incredible stoicism about the situation. She is the one potential student I dealt with who I wondered what happened to. Was used to anxious Mothers calling. This would have been sometime in the mid 2000’s.

I remember when Nottingham opened clearing for the first time a student wrote a very disparaging letter about quality candidates.

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 10:00

Both points, @HPFA

Tryannie · 12/07/2025 10:17

ExRG · 12/07/2025 09:59

@HPFA When I worked at The University of Nottingham the Politics and IR course required triple A and we turned away students that did not get triple A, I worked in admissions there and specifically remember a student who had got AAB being turned down by me, she showed incredible stoicism about the situation. She is the one potential student I dealt with who I wondered what happened to. Was used to anxious Mothers calling. This would have been sometime in the mid 2000’s.

I remember when Nottingham opened clearing for the first time a student wrote a very disparaging letter about quality candidates.

That course is BBB in clearing now, or any points equivalent. 2026 entry is AAB.

RainbowBagels · 12/07/2025 10:50

Tryannie · 12/07/2025 10:17

That course is BBB in clearing now, or any points equivalent. 2026 entry is AAB.

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My DS looked at that course. His predictions are ABB but I think it's a toss up between there and UEA for the ambitious choice on the ucas form. However he loved the Lincoln course. It seemed right up his street but the grades are a bit lower than his predicted so it put him off a bit. I'm wondering whether he should just put it down as his first choice after reading this thread as barring disaster he'll probably get in with no problems and it really seems like a fab course. He's not naturally 'mumsnet DC' bright and has to work really hard to get good grades.

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 10:52

Actually there is no reason a highly able student cannot be a great primary or secondary teacher. It depends on the individual, of course. But I agree they may need to cultivate empathy

WombatChocolate · 12/07/2025 11:00

I think it’s a good Q about those who are predicted and achieve grades like AAA. Their lack of A stars probably prevent them getting offers from some unis and the ones with AAA as their standard offer will often take a couple of grades below. Some of those will still have a majority with AAA but some might have a majority with significantly below.

I suppose everyone wants to feel they are learning with a similar cohort and are where they ‘deserve’. It’s also true that there is always a range of abilities. And actually, on most courses it won’t matter that much if at all. Some courses need to have the vast majority of students at a certain level to be able to work at the pace and depth they wish to go at. For those, scraping in, especially if also having a combination of being a lazy worker and the scraped grade being a lucky outcome, isn’t necessarily great.

Work ethics do vary a lot. The reality is that a lot of A level students don’t work very hard and continue to coast in their degrees. There are the odd posters in MN who back their kids who have been lazy at GCSE and A Level and ‘underperformed’ in these and want them to get access to a top course and find a way to wriggle in. Even them, some are already gearing up to argue the case for them when they fail the first year or subsequent years. Some seem to think that either paying ir pushing must mean you can always get what you want and find it hard to believe that it’s not always possible or shouldn’t be. Without a doubt there’s some scope for gaming the system and those ‘in the know’ can access better opportunities by knowing where to apply and which places might accept lower grades and where it might be possible to trade up to in Clearing. And I agree that some families will feel less daunted by taking risks with expensive accommodation which might be needed via Clearing or simply in being flexible about a place they haven’t visited…if they know it by reputation.

I suppose good advice is to recognise yr12 and predicted grades are extremely important. Getting the best PG opens the doors to offers. Sometimes the AAA student might get an offer from a top tier place with a slightly tweaked course title - so History with Anclient History instead of straight History. Not everyone can be top tier. It’s a numbers game and the AAA candidates are v good but there are large numbers with A star including all A star too. They can’t all be lawyers in magic circle firms. But they will all find their way and hard work and planning and boosting their cv will all help. Those who push themselves and are personable and build their experience which is relevant to the job market and interpersonal skills will all have advantages.

Piggywaspushed · 12/07/2025 11:03

Ermm. I guess this idea that we arent the brightest is why teachers aren't paid enough ! Teaching is the most common Oxbridge graduate destination . I myself have top grades and a degree from a 'top uni' and all that and have plenty of empathy, thanks!

In fact, I was talking to a fellow English teacher on a flight yesterday who says she loves teaching because she never runs out of work to do and enjoys using her brain and learning new things every day.

Some of our students are very bright. It's not just about understanding the weaker students...

Said my piece, I think!

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 11:13

But no one said that, @Piggywaspushed

In fact I amended my post as I hope you saw later.

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 11:15

What area was your degree, @Piggywaspushed ? There is no denying that a certain subset - very far from all - of very able STEM orientated youth are not hugely empathetic towards the less able.

HPFA · 12/07/2025 11:36

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 10:52

Actually there is no reason a highly able student cannot be a great primary or secondary teacher. It depends on the individual, of course. But I agree they may need to cultivate empathy

I went to a grammar school which didnt stream back in the day.

Then in the fifth year they set up a small class for the borderline students in Maths to try and get us over the C boundary.

I loved that class and enjoyed Maths when it was at a level I could do.

My daughter was in the lowest set doing the Higher paper and refused to move even when her teacher offered her a higher set.

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HPFA · 12/07/2025 11:43

Piggywaspushed · 12/07/2025 11:03

Ermm. I guess this idea that we arent the brightest is why teachers aren't paid enough ! Teaching is the most common Oxbridge graduate destination . I myself have top grades and a degree from a 'top uni' and all that and have plenty of empathy, thanks!

In fact, I was talking to a fellow English teacher on a flight yesterday who says she loves teaching because she never runs out of work to do and enjoys using her brain and learning new things every day.

Some of our students are very bright. It's not just about understanding the weaker students...

Said my piece, I think!

I think Maths is slightly different - in my experience once you've understood a Maths concept it becomes very hard to grasp what other people arent seeing.

Even with my lowly C grade, at work I can get frustrated at colleagues who cant grasp really basic statistics.

With English your understanding develops with maturity - you'll read a Jane Austen novel differently in your fifties - so you jever have that experience of total mastery.

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Piggywaspushed · 12/07/2025 11:47

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 11:15

What area was your degree, @Piggywaspushed ? There is no denying that a certain subset - very far from all - of very able STEM orientated youth are not hugely empathetic towards the less able.

I teach arts and social sciences. I met an intern last year who was at York doing maths. Very bright but also just really wants to be a teacher. Some people do. He was excellent. I do agree that some of them aren't but that seems to be mathematicians and comp scientists across the ability spectrum tbh! One of our most beloved teachers has a PHd in insect stuff, apparently very well known. The kids love him.

Piggywaspushed · 12/07/2025 11:50

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 11:13

But no one said that, @Piggywaspushed

In fact I amended my post as I hope you saw later.

I think I was responding to the amended one!

Never mind. It's not personal to you. In other corners of MN , some of the assertions about teachers and their intelligence and ability and what have you are draining....we are by far the most 'judged' professionals, I think.

I agree one never stops learning in English and lots of other subjects. Teaching maths is excellent for appreciating how brains do and don't work.

Piggywaspushed · 12/07/2025 11:53

What you say about mastery is really interesting OP ,and so true. Please come and tell SLT in charge of T and L that! ( yes, a maths teacher...)

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 12:08

@Piggywaspushed Well it is ridiculous that anyone should feel justified criticising teachers’ intelligence. My favourite high school teacher also had a PhD - and it was great to see a woman with one.

I suppose I was thinking of a few students who were clearly bright but didn’t live up to potential at university or find good jobs (I am not sure how hard they tried), and fell into teaching almost as an afterthought.

One had no reason to refuse support for their PGCE applications, and the subject badly needs able teachers. But I did wonder a lot about whether the empathy was there.

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 12:09

PS Not that a PhD is required as a show

poetryandwine · 12/07/2025 12:09

…of intelligence. Now I am wary of accidental insult

Waspie · 15/07/2025 09:33

My son is applying in the Autumn for 2026 entry. If a course is in clearing now does this suggest that a strong candidate applying in the Autumn will be offered a place if they meet the requirements?

The UCAS "Historical Data" beta suggests only 63% of applicants received offers between 2022-2024.

Is this saying that the applicants didn't meet the minimum requirements, that applicant numbers have fallen away, that the university hold back some spaces for late application, or a mixture of all three?

Waspie · 15/07/2025 09:35

This is for History at Durham with A star AA required btw History at Durham University - UCAS

tennissquare · 15/07/2025 09:47

@Waspie , the space in clearing is possibly due to an IB student not making the offer when they got their results last weekend (5th).