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Southampton publishes Clearing grade requirements

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HPFA · 09/07/2025 20:58

I think this is the first time I've seen an RG Uni publishing Clearing grade requirements before Results Day.

It's not for all courses but a lot of popular subjects nonetheless

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/clearing/course-vacancies?subject=All+Subjects&filter=&studentType=uk&availableOnly=true

Not sure what it means for those students holding offers at Southampton - does it indicate how far they can drop grades and still get in?

Clearing course list

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/clearing/course-vacancies?availableOnly=true&filter=&studentType=uk&subject=All+Subjects

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MillicentFaucet · 15/07/2025 09:59

Waspie · 15/07/2025 09:33

My son is applying in the Autumn for 2026 entry. If a course is in clearing now does this suggest that a strong candidate applying in the Autumn will be offered a place if they meet the requirements?

The UCAS "Historical Data" beta suggests only 63% of applicants received offers between 2022-2024.

Is this saying that the applicants didn't meet the minimum requirements, that applicant numbers have fallen away, that the university hold back some spaces for late application, or a mixture of all three?

The rate of offers shows number of applicants vs no. of places available I think. So if a course has 50 places but 79 people apply then only 63% of them can be successful. However this data only captures UCAS applications made by yr13 UK residents so won't be accurate for unis/courses which are popular with overseas students.

Southampton publishes Clearing grade requirements
WombatChocolate · 15/07/2025 10:10

I think that clearing places for UK students don’t really become clear until the week before results when unis receive A Level results. What is shown now can change multiple times. Sometimes they are posting places speculatively…just to see who comes along and test the waters. The fact places are mentioned doesn’t mean any individual at this point will receive them - anyone enquiring could be added to a list and told to wait until A level results day. Durham often do this on results day too with Clearibg candidates or near-misses - they don’t give an immediate answer but assess the overall picture and choose, letting people know over the next few days.

Re History at Durham, I’ve known people in the last 3 years not receive offers who met the standard offer requirement. On Student Room each year, students express surprise that as 3 x A star applicants they don’t always get an offer but know of others with a slightly lower grade profile who did.

The thing is, we rarely know the full story. Some applicants might receive contextual consideration. Sometimes the PS really is considered dnd might outweigh A level predictions. GCSE profile can be factored in. It is quite likely that many unis use algorithms to decide offers and some will be giving them to a range of PGs as this might suggest a better acceptance rate than purely offering to only the very top applicants.

The difficulty is there is significant lack of transparency. Unis are working in this weird recruitment system of predicted grades (notoriously unreliable) and a control on fees they can charge, and results coming out followed by a very frantic and short second application cycle via Clearing, where filling and having bums on seats is absolutely vital. The standard offer they advertise to the main application cycle needs to draw enough applicants in, but also maintain an image of selectivity. And then they often don’t know until April how many will firm, but sure and reject. It’s v tricky. And then they don’t know how many will miss their grades or just drop out of the process. They are trying to cover all bases….gearing up Clearing, in ca see they need to use it. Most places would rather fill with near misses than risk Clearing, where candidates may receive multiple offers and go elsewhere.

The Clearing market is changing. It’s becoming bigger as people realise they can trade up and that often very different grades are accepted in Clearing. Advertising of places is certainly moving earlier as more unis need to use it to fill or at least prepare to use it. It’s stressful for students and the unis, but a function of low funding which is fixed by government, declining international numbers, rising costs and the problems of pre-grade application. But none of these have easy solutions.

Waspie · 15/07/2025 11:35

Interesting replies, thank you all. I have also seen on HE threads I've lurked on that candidates predicted 3 A stars have not received offers from Durham. My son hasn't looked at Durham as an option, so hadn't looked at their contextual offer requirements, but I've had a quick skim now having read @WombatChocolate's reply and they do take into account PS, reference, personal circ/home address and school.

I do wish that for the benefit of novice applicants (and their naive parents) universities would be more transparent about the factors they use to decide which applicants will get offers, rather than just say "A star AA" or whatever.

At the Bristol open day DS went to the Law talk where the prof told them that they don't look at PS at all, GCSE's are 10%, A levels are 40% and LNAT is 50% (made up percentages as I can't remember the real ones) and DS welcomed the clarity. Other subject talks and universities just said that they consider all of the application holistically.

I agree about the trading up element @MillicentFaucet it creates an interesting new complexity to a student's application. The school say to chose one or two aspirational, two at the PG and one or two lower "dead certs". But the idea of trading up in clearing means that these recommendations don't have to be followed quite as closely if you are willing to gamble that the course at an aspirational university will be in clearing.

As an aside, I lurk on lots of HE threads and would like to thank the admissions, HE and other experts who share their knowledge and advice so readily.

(edited for typo)

poetryandwine · 15/07/2025 12:28

Waspie · 15/07/2025 09:33

My son is applying in the Autumn for 2026 entry. If a course is in clearing now does this suggest that a strong candidate applying in the Autumn will be offered a place if they meet the requirements?

The UCAS "Historical Data" beta suggests only 63% of applicants received offers between 2022-2024.

Is this saying that the applicants didn't meet the minimum requirements, that applicant numbers have fallen away, that the university hold back some spaces for late application, or a mixture of all three?

Great question! Really only the admissions teams know. I have seen it go every which way. It is a valid question for Open Day.

One thing to keep in mind is that we might have a better year with international recruiting next year, thanks to Donald Trump.

Waspie · 15/07/2025 17:38

Thank you @poetryandwine. Unfortunately DS has finished most of his Open Days - just a couple lined up for September.

I hope the US students situation is resolved next year; both US students coming to the UK and UK students going to the US. My nephew is hoping to go to a US college on a sports scholarship and I really hope he gets this amazing opportunity (and that he invites his aunty over for a visit Grin )

poetryandwine · 15/07/2025 18:41

I hope your nephew does also, @Waspie

In terms of numbers that might affect your question, I was really thinking about the deteriorating relations between the US and China. It isn’t clear how that will play out for university enrolments but it wouldn’t be surprising if the Chinese started diverting students from the US (even if they are allowed there). I think the UK would benefit, especially in terms of UG enrolments.

WhatwouldStevieNicksthink · 16/07/2025 08:38

The applicant who has predicted grades of AAB and who has an offer of a middling RG course with those grades, is disappointed to find that lots with BBC are on the course. It does make it feel devalued

I don't think the students care, it's just some parents who are miffed because they want to think their children at better.

DD's offer was ABB, she got BBC and her RG accepted that. She's thriving on her course, working hard, has loads of friends, a busy social life. I doubt any of them are thinking "what is Stevie's DD doing here with her lowly C."

And the majority of RGs published their clearing grades early.

pumpkinjooce · 16/07/2025 08:57

WhatwouldStevieNicksthink · 16/07/2025 08:38

The applicant who has predicted grades of AAB and who has an offer of a middling RG course with those grades, is disappointed to find that lots with BBC are on the course. It does make it feel devalued

I don't think the students care, it's just some parents who are miffed because they want to think their children at better.

DD's offer was ABB, she got BBC and her RG accepted that. She's thriving on her course, working hard, has loads of friends, a busy social life. I doubt any of them are thinking "what is Stevie's DD doing here with her lowly C."

And the majority of RGs published their clearing grades early.

I agree. And actually they may find an equivalent number of students have higher grades because they missed their Oxbridge/Imperial offer and Southampton was their excellent back up plan.

Ultimately, the grades accepted come down to market forces. The most popular courses put their grade boundaries up, and those that are worried they won't fill either put their boundaries down or make it clear to offer holders that there is usually some flexibility on offer day.

Southampton have published their clearing grades in advance but neither they, nor nobody yet knows how many places they will actually have on clearing day. What they do know is that it will be a scramble, so publishing information and opening applications in advance is to everyone's benefit. Good for them.

Dearover · 16/07/2025 18:59

Southampton is often an excellent choice as they usually guarantee accommodation for insurance places and clearing.

crazycrofter · 16/07/2025 20:53

Does anyone know - if my son was to contact Southampton, say, and secure a clearing offer - if he accepts it, is he then tied in? Or if he saw his preferred course/uni in clearing on results day (they've not published their clearing courses yet), could he reject Southampton and accept an offer from them? It sounds a bit indecisive, but I'm wondering if a bird in the hand would be good at this point - and he might just prefer Southampton anyway (he's never visited),

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2025 00:16

@Waspie Just to add, many courses at Bristol take GCSEs into account at higher than 10% because there’s no external test. Often it’s 20% GCSEs and 80% A levels. PS is used as a tie breaker when there are evenly matched candidates. It’s not wholly true to say it’s not read. It might be.

Bristol Law for 2026 is 20% GCSE, 40% A level and 40% LNAT. As I said about PS - differentiation between similar candidates. They publish all the selection details in the Admissions Statement for the course so I’m not sure why different percentages were quoted/ presumably for 2026?

SunDash · 17/07/2025 00:58

Following this

HPFA · 17/07/2025 06:39

crazycrofter · 16/07/2025 20:53

Does anyone know - if my son was to contact Southampton, say, and secure a clearing offer - if he accepts it, is he then tied in? Or if he saw his preferred course/uni in clearing on results day (they've not published their clearing courses yet), could he reject Southampton and accept an offer from them? It sounds a bit indecisive, but I'm wondering if a bird in the hand would be good at this point - and he might just prefer Southampton anyway (he's never visited),

My understanding is that if he declines the Clearing offer after accepting it formally he cant then decline it through UCAS if he wants to re apply in the same year.

Apparently he can ask the university involved to release him from the offer - and this would allow him to reapply in the same year - but theyre not obliged to. He may feel uncomfortable making a phone call telling them that hes trading up.

So it would be a risky strategy.

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titchy · 17/07/2025 08:14

crazycrofter · 16/07/2025 20:53

Does anyone know - if my son was to contact Southampton, say, and secure a clearing offer - if he accepts it, is he then tied in? Or if he saw his preferred course/uni in clearing on results day (they've not published their clearing courses yet), could he reject Southampton and accept an offer from them? It sounds a bit indecisive, but I'm wondering if a bird in the hand would be good at this point - and he might just prefer Southampton anyway (he's never visited),

Does he have grades in hand? You only ever accept one clearing offer formally. If S made him a clearing offer now there shouldn’t be any expectation that he would accept immediately. Applicants usually get several verbal offer on clearing day. Then formally accept one a day or so later.

crazycrofter · 17/07/2025 10:43

Thanks, yes he has grades in hand. Maybe it would be better then to contact Southampton just a couple of days before results day, so that he won't be under pressure to accept any offer before he's seen what else is available on results day. Or he could leave it all to results day, maybe that's the best option.

HPFA · 17/07/2025 11:48

If your son really wants to play the system he could make use of the results embargo between 28th July and 14th August.

Contact Southampton to see if he can get an offer on the 25th July.

If they make him an offer he won't actually be able to confirm this through UCAS due to the results embargo (there is a window between 5th and 8th August if he decides Southampton really is the place for him and wants to make it official) so Southampton can't pressurise him to formally accept the offer "or lose it".

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/clearing?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_content=southampton%20clearing%202025&utm_value=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20435290048&gbraid=0AAAAADRoHrpkVKbg7JE-dRIyZ2Qcy2QFp&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoPKdx9jDjgMVDZRQBh2ZJgqMEAAYASAAEgJqxvD_BwE

This caused us a huge trauma last year when my daughter wanted to confirm her Aberystwyth offer (late in the evening of course!!) but UCAS wouldn't let her do it - she was convinced she'd lost her uni chance altogether. Luckily a nice UCAS advisor reassured her the following morning and explained the embargo.

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crazycrofter · 17/07/2025 12:59

Thanks @hpfa - I didn't know that! It's not so much that he wants to play the system, in fact he's happy to wait until results day, I think it's just me wanting a bit more clarity now that he's rejected the offer he had in hand!

Waspie · 17/07/2025 19:24

Interesting. I had no idea that the US took lots of Chinese students @poetryandwine

I did not mean to suggest that my percentages were accurate for Bristol Law @TizerorFizz , in fact I deliberately said they were made up. The point was that my son appreciated the transparency given to the offer process compared to other universities. As it happens he didn't like Bristol as a city at all, and has decided to apply for History rather than law, so the point, for him, is moot. He is however now considering Durham.

TizerorFizz · 17/07/2025 19:40

Who doesn’t like Clifton in Bristol? It’s very attractive. The lido is wonderful. DD never went into the city centre. No need. Yes, they are clear though and even give tips for PS.

Waspie · 18/07/2025 10:06

Who can understand teenagers @TizerorFizz ?! DS thought it was too similar to the city he is at school at (which he also doesn't like) so there was just some negative association. I have offered to take him back during the summer to look around without the crowds, but he's ruled it out. Fair enough I guess, open days are as much about finding what you don't like as finding what you do. He has excellent predicted grades so has other options. But I'm derailing the thread Smile

Back on message -

I hope this works as a share token but I read this article last night - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/british-18-year-olds-applying-for-undergraduate-courses-hits-record-high-r78xpv0fp which suggests that applications have risen a lot this year, and that Chinese student's applying has risen by 10% over 2024 (poetryandwine's prediction confirmed) and other foreign student applications have also increased. UK year 13's applying has decreased to 41.2% from 41.9% last year.

British 18-year-olds applying for undergraduate courses hits record high

Analysis by Ucas also shows that universities and colleges have made more than two million offers in a scramble to fill places

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/british-18-year-olds-applying-for-undergraduate-courses-hits-record-high-r78xpv0fp

poetryandwine · 18/07/2025 11:37

Thank you, @Waspie . You are very kind. I will pick up a Times if I can.

Lampzade · 27/07/2025 06:18

Madcats · 10/07/2025 15:49

As an '80's economics grad, do look very carefully at the syllabus/course outline for each of the Unis; they are/were very different. Despite many non-maths options I would estimate that at least 1/3 of my course involved maths/stats/econometrics (and was very different to what I had studied at A level - double maths). Without a strong grounding in maths I would have struggled to make sense of it all.

Other Unis were more wordy.

Agree
DD is doing an economics course which is very maths based .
She achieved a 9 at GCSE and Astar at A Level and still found some of the maths in her degree quite challenging .
Would definitely advise people to check syllabus

Lampzade · 27/07/2025 06:22

Waspie · 15/07/2025 11:35

Interesting replies, thank you all. I have also seen on HE threads I've lurked on that candidates predicted 3 A stars have not received offers from Durham. My son hasn't looked at Durham as an option, so hadn't looked at their contextual offer requirements, but I've had a quick skim now having read @WombatChocolate's reply and they do take into account PS, reference, personal circ/home address and school.

I do wish that for the benefit of novice applicants (and their naive parents) universities would be more transparent about the factors they use to decide which applicants will get offers, rather than just say "A star AA" or whatever.

At the Bristol open day DS went to the Law talk where the prof told them that they don't look at PS at all, GCSE's are 10%, A levels are 40% and LNAT is 50% (made up percentages as I can't remember the real ones) and DS welcomed the clarity. Other subject talks and universities just said that they consider all of the application holistically.

I agree about the trading up element @MillicentFaucet it creates an interesting new complexity to a student's application. The school say to chose one or two aspirational, two at the PG and one or two lower "dead certs". But the idea of trading up in clearing means that these recommendations don't have to be followed quite as closely if you are willing to gamble that the course at an aspirational university will be in clearing.

As an aside, I lurk on lots of HE threads and would like to thank the admissions, HE and other experts who share their knowledge and advice so readily.

(edited for typo)

Edited

Yep
DD is at Bristol and they are only really interested in grades .
We were told this when we attended the Open day

TizerorFizz · 27/07/2025 16:35

@Lampzade That is not true. Lecturers say this and do not read their own admissions criteria! It’s very lazy. For over-subscribed courses, with many dc similarly qualified, Bristol will read the PS to differentiate between them. For this reason they consider GCSEs too. For subjects like law, there could be many similar applicants . Obviously law has LNAT marks too but other courses may well find there’s a lot of borderline candidates based on GCSEs and predicted A level grades. They say, very clearly, the PS will be used. Open day info should be read in conjunction with their published selection criteria - it is transparent.

Lampzade · 27/07/2025 19:01

TizerorFizz · 27/07/2025 16:35

@Lampzade That is not true. Lecturers say this and do not read their own admissions criteria! It’s very lazy. For over-subscribed courses, with many dc similarly qualified, Bristol will read the PS to differentiate between them. For this reason they consider GCSEs too. For subjects like law, there could be many similar applicants . Obviously law has LNAT marks too but other courses may well find there’s a lot of borderline candidates based on GCSEs and predicted A level grades. They say, very clearly, the PS will be used. Open day info should be read in conjunction with their published selection criteria - it is transparent.

My dd is studying economics which is a very oversubscribed course
I don’t know whether the lecturers adhere to their own admissions procedures or not . All that I know is that Bristol Economics students have been told that personal statements are not taken into account