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How on Earth do a level lower achievers get to uni with the grades that are being asked?

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NCTDN · 14/05/2021 20:27

If I wanted to go to uni now, I'd have no chance. In my day, I needed three E grades to get into teaching, from which I've had a fabulous career.
DD is very lucky and looking at places asking for 3As (Not teaching) but I'm so shocked at how high everywhere asks for. I went to what was primarily a teacher training college and even that is asking for 3 alleged at grade b.
So my question is, what do teenagers do these days if they get grades C D or E? It must be so disheartening.

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jincanpoops · 22/05/2021 16:54

@ThankyouPeter that is so lovely to hear. My DS is just about to start yr7 and I've already got a good idea that he'll be looking at BTecs once he reaches 16 rather than a levels. Of course he may do something completely different like an apprentice. But I'm so heartened to hear that university is an option.

bevelino · 23/05/2021 07:50

@WombatChocolate

It’s all really interesting isn’t it.

I agree that A Level results or uni attended or degree result don’t always tell you who will do well at lots of jobs. For some jobs though, being very academic is a requirement and the firms that hire for top city graduate schemes seem to think generally that there’s a strong correlation between A Level results and uni attended and who they want ...not in all cases, but frequently.

A level results and uni attended are blunt instruments for sifting thousands of applications which come in for some graduate schemes. They are blunt instruments and they will exclude some exceptional candidates, but they have been used for many years because they are a speedy method and broadly show the strongest candidates.

Where different systems have been used, when talking about these very particular city graduate schemes or very competitive other schemes (and I recognise the majority don’t apply for these and there aren’t places for the majority) the vast majority of places still go to those with the very best A Levels and degrees from top unis. These things, even if they cannot be used for recruitment, are still very good indicators of being successful at interview and in those jobs. There will always be exceptions, and I think it’s right that those exceptions also have the opportunity to get onto the scheme too.

However, when we talk about this, I think we still need to recognise that students with very weak A Levels and who go to much lower ranked unis, are very unlikely to get accepted into these highly competitive schemes which are very niche. It simply is the reality. There is a correlation between having top A Levels and doing well in those aptitude tests and group tasks that form part of the selection process. It doesn’t mean some of those people with much lower A Level results or who have lower degrees from less well regarded unis can’t get good jobs or go into be as successful in the world of work as many of those who get into the schemes I’m talking about, and there are lots of different jobs which require different skill sets which might pay more or be more rewarding than some of the highly sought after jobs I mention. However, I think we can too far and tell ourselves or the teens of today that A Level results don’t matter or uni attended doesn’t matter and without good outcomes on these measures they have equal chances to those who have them, because that simply isn’t true. The world is even more competitive than previously and these core indicators of potential and attainment still count for a lot, even if they aren’t the only factors.

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/may/19/job-prospects-vary-widely-for-graduates-in-england-data-shows

@WombatChocolate the Guardian have reported the Office for Students data in relation to some of your comments above.

YouWereGr8InLittleMenstruators · 23/05/2021 08:13

I agree, DaisyPond. I mentor students on professional placements and am often surprised that some have come as far as they have in the process; there's huge pressure to pass students, financially for the unis, which they subsequently exert on me, massively increasing my workload to try to squeeze unsuitable students through.
When I graduated 25 years ago, there were two 1st class degrees awarded in our cohort of 120, which followed typical distribution. I have a hunch there has also been an upward creep in awards at undergraduate level, with 1st class degrees becoming increasingly common.

Xenia · 23/05/2021 08:39

The Guardian link says only 25% of some students on a business course at University of Bedfordshire even completed their course.

YouWere yes at Manchester one girl got a 1st on our course gaduated 1982 (law). I was top in 2 subjects buts till got a 2/1 which was a condition of my first law job so I was very worried about not getting the 2/1., Two thirds of people got 2/2 or lower. I recently checked my children's father's year group - Music Birmingham a few years earlier than mine and not a single person got a 2/1 on that music course even though he was really really good and still is both practically and theoretically at music - no one at all of any kind got a 2/1 on that course that year.

PresentingPercy · 23/05/2021 09:26

The Institute of Fiscal Studies did a lot of research in student outcomes a few years ago. They concluded university and subject studies have a lot of influence on job attained and salary earned 5 years after graduating. They found the top earners at that stage were medics. Not what you might think when you think of media coverage. Arts grads earn least. Some grades likes nurses and medics get around 100% employment stats too. Grads with an economics degree from LSE will earn vastly more than a grad from Wolverhampton uni with the “same” degree. So high achieving grads in the right areas of work with the best uni degrees behind them earn more.

However lots of universities have students who might be entrepreneurial and use a degree in a different way to earn money. The people I know who had companies worth £millions didn’t have businesses that related to their degrees at all!

PresentingPercy · 23/05/2021 09:32

Also when companies say they don’t sift by degree and A levels when they get thousands of applicants do sift in another way. This might be an in line test, a telephone test or similar. You can be assured they need some system to plough through thousands of applications and still get the brightest and the best for the jobs. Often the same dc will get into the jobs whatever system they use. Apprenticeships can level out recruitment of course. However a degree from LSE or Imperial will always be worth more than one from Bedfordshire, even if your apprenticeship sends you there.

poppycat10 · 24/05/2021 16:56

yes at Manchester one girl got a 1st on our course gaduated 1982 (law). I was top in 2 subjects buts till got a 2/1 which was a condition of my first law job so I was very worried about not getting the 2.1

Me too, I needed a 2.1 for a scholarship to go to Germany to do a Masters and was quite worried I wouldn't get it.

In my cohort there were around 100 doing law and languages/sociology/politics and around 100 doing law on its own and there was one first in each category. There were five on my course and two of us got 2.1s. Uni which is now RG, in 1994.

Devlesko · 24/05/2021 17:16

The colleges (higher ed) my dd is looking at ask for a min of 3 GCSE's 9- 4 and 2 A levels A - E.
It depends on the course, if it's less academic they tend to accept lower grades.
Not everyone is bright enough for the academic courses, ther'e no shame in that.
I think we have become programmed to accept university as the default, when it was never supposed to be for everyone.

PresentingPercy · 24/05/2021 17:29

It still isn’t. Around 45% go but lots are vocational courses that never required a degree in the past. Loads in the health sector for example.

Xenia · 24/05/2021 17:34

And I think half of GCSE pupils do not get 5 reasonable grades even (which used to be grade C or higher)

Malteser71 · 24/05/2021 17:39

There must be some degree of grade inflation.

My DH got BBBB. He was the brightest kid in his year, after one kid who got AAA and went to Cambridge (1990).

He’s now a hospital consultant.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 24/05/2021 18:04

The only person in my recollection - at my high achieving school - to get AAAA in A levels was virtually a child genius (went up to Oxford at just 17). Others including DSib got into Oxbridge but more generally their A Level results were AAB / ABB. All fiercely clever and high achieving after university too.

It seems to me that young people are given a lot more guidance on what's required to achieve top grades in GCSE and A Levels these days than was the case in the past, with may explain some of the supposed inflation.

Londonmummy66 · 31/05/2021 16:08

In 1984/5 I was offered EE for Oxford, UCL and Nottingham, BBC for Warwick and CCC for Swansea. UCL did accompany the offer with a letter making it clear that they would not be happy if that was all I got though. I got AAB as did quite a few of my friends. One girl got 4As as she did double Maths and one girl got 3As. It was a pretty normal year for results at my school. We weren't taught to the test though - the L6 was a time for doing other stuff - I did classics and read none of the A level set texts until U6 - however the large number of non set texts read in L6 did much for my ability to perform on the unseen papers.

Pickwick1 · 11/06/2021 20:28

What is dsis

Pickwick1 · 11/06/2021 20:30

What is dh

Pickwick1 · 11/06/2021 20:31

If users could write in full sentences and not use abbreviations its easier to understand

MarchingFrogs · 12/06/2021 07:12

DH - Dear Husband
(or OH - Other Half)
DSis - Dear Sister
DC - Dear Child(ren)
D(S)D - Dear (Step) Daughter
D(S)S - Dear (Step) Son
DB(IL) - Dear Brother(in law)
DSIL - Dear Sister in law
DM(IL) - Dear Mother^ (in law)
DF(IL) - Dear Father (in law)
DP(IL) - Dear Parents (in law) or Dear Partner, context usually explains which the poster means.

Common abbreviations used on at least one other site as well as this one. I must admit that it didn't take me very long to pick it up.

Fairyfield · 12/06/2021 07:40

I must admit, I had to google CF !!!!

poppycat10 · 12/06/2021 10:09

@Fairyfield

I must admit, I had to google CF !!!!
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