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UEA (2019) Surely 2021 (and getting on for halfway through our DC's degrees) things have got to get better????

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NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 26/12/2020 17:35

New thread following on from the previous one.

Lots of Star and Glitterball into 2021.

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Sluj · 22/07/2022 20:50

We enjoyed DS2 graduation all the more as he could wander off in his gown and get photos. Only downside was the 45 minute queue for coffee which I deemed to be a necessity for a 7.30am start.
DH and I both remarked how more casual the guests were dressed compared to last week and how lovely the lady graduands looked compared to last weeks. Somebody could write a thesis on that 😁

juicy0 · 22/07/2022 22:29

@Sluj we said the same thing. The 'festival area' didn't offer much at 7:30 did it, only one coffee van open! It was much more lively after the ceremony though and we enjoyed the music. It's hard to believe it's all over really. Just hope I managed to get a good photo as DD couldn't be persuaded to have an official one.
I agree that the graduates all looked very smart with only a few exceptions and the atmosphere was really good, it felt like a celebration and rightly so.

boys3 · 22/07/2022 23:08

@juicy0 glad you had a good day. DS2 had his at 17:30 which went really well. I'm not sure if there were fewer grads at this one, they all fitted into one side of the raised seating at the back of the sports hall. Amazing what a bit of fabric on a wall can do 😄I thought it was all very well organised and very relaxed. DS2 coming back on Sunday evening - some sort of event on tomorrow night. Although he seemed even more taken with the release of the inter-university fixture dates for his sport which also came out. A number of dates for my diary apparently.

juicy0 · 23/07/2022 09:12

@boys3 I think there probably were less, the back was full for us so LOTS of clapping!
What is your sons sport? Is he staying in for a masters ?

LouisCatorze · 23/07/2022 09:28

We had a few hiccups with DS's graduation let's say but it all worked out (better in a way) in the end! A very long day though. We were all exhausted when we got back home.

Yes, from the inside it was super easy to forget we were in a sports hall! Thought it very well organised, everyone very friendly.

AIBU unreasonable to think it could have done with being a couple of degrees warmer generally though? It felt really quite chilly at times!

boys3 · 23/07/2022 13:40

@juicy0 yes Master's is the plan; not sure he has it 100% nailed down actually; but he seems quite confident that he has everything in hand.

boys3 · 23/07/2022 18:05

@LouisCatorze glad the hiccups did not derail anything.

Late Friday afternoon was pleasantly warm outside and from my perspective the Sports Hall felt fine. Although for the grads with their gowns and for all wearing a suit jacket under the gown perhaps they tried to keep the temperature down a notch or two? No idea whether that would have been possible earlier in the week though. From talking to some of the UEA staff managing people on the way in I got the impression Monday and Tuesday were pretty tough with the excessive heat.

What struck me was the whole thing was just very UEA . Just the little things like those checking the tickets on the way in seemed to have smile and were saying a genuine "well done" to each graduand; as well as welcoming all the family and friends. The ceremony itself despite being formal did not feel at all stuffy. The VC welcoming and concluding words really struck the right note.

I had only ever heard people say positive things about UEA before DS2 went there, and three years later I'd only have positive things to say as well, even with all the covid disruption. I'm delighted that DS2 looks like being there another year; and he is very taken with Norwich (or maybe just outside, he likes living out of the city itself but with quick and easy access to all it has to offer) being "home" after completion of post grad studies.

LouisCatorze · 24/07/2022 20:43

@boys3 not really (thanks for asking!).

Yes, agree the vibe was friendly and caring but laid back too.

Who got Sarah Gilbert doing their keynote 'graduation' speech, I wonder?

icanbewhatiwant · 24/07/2022 21:25

@LouisCatorze is she the lady who helped develop the covid vaccine? If so she was at ds's graduation.

LouisCatorze · 25/07/2022 07:18

Yes, she is @icanbewhatiwant. What was her speech like? How lucky!

icanbewhatiwant · 25/07/2022 08:39

@LouisCatorze I didn't know who she was to start with. There was a lady giving out the degrees, I'm assuming a vice chancellor. The person introducing people had such a strong accent I couldn't understand him. So I didn't catch her name. I could barely understand my sons name when he called it. Dh kept saying loudly, why can't they use someone with an English speaking voice. Neither of us understood the names of the biology graduates. The next person calling out for physics and chemistry was easy to understand.

The VC was easy enough to understand though, she gave a long talk about the honorary doctorate in science and all she has done with vaccines. Then introduced Sarah Gilbert. Sarah spoke about her degree at UEA. How she didn't know what to do her degree in and she only wanted to study in London. But looked round UEA as she needed 5 choices, loved it and put it as first choice. Then chatted about going on to do her phd etc.
Also that she's had a barbie made in her honour. I googled her...she's done a lot hasn't she.

Itscoldouthere · 26/07/2022 07:47

@icanbewhatiwant my DS went along to that Biology graduation as a guest, (must have been a bit weird for him) he has a group of friends from the course that live in a house together and he has remained friends. Some of their parents didn’t go so they had spare tickets.
He enjoyed it and had a nice week in Norwich.
I went up on Friday to get the last of his things from his house, surprisingly it was a whole car full! He will go back to clean before the move out date but that’s all.
It was very weird, I felt very sad packing up all his stuff, remembering how excited he was when he arrived at UEA, all those plans that didn’t work out ☹️
He’s also had a letter asking for £1600 of his student maintenance grant back!

LouisCatorze · 26/07/2022 15:08

I guess that a lot of the heads of department are academics from overseas though, hence the somewhat heavily accented English? I thought they all made an amazing effort with the names, some of which were exceedingly long and not easy to pronounce.

@Itscoldouthere I would say it was very courageous of your DS2 to attend the graduation ceremony to support his friends. A difficult thing to do, I would have thought. I really hope this 'pause' for him is just that and that he finds a path that suits him and his interests so much better than his original degree course did. Is he still very interested in military history? Would he consider doing a history A Level while he's thinking about what to do next to keep his options open? Wishing him all the best.

Itscoldouthere · 27/07/2022 09:42

@LouisCatorze yes he’s very supportive of his friends, they play D& D most weeks online so he’s always kept up with them. Some of them seem to have very little contact with their parents, they are a diverse group LGBT etc (terms I sometimes get wrong) and it seems like some parents don’t accept their life choices.
He did say he thinks he’ll go back to university at some point, he did like the course at Aberystwyth, just wasn’t sure of the place, he’ll also have a funding issue.
I think he needs to get some life experience now, but he’s still not in a great head place. I’m trying to access some support as I think his Aspergers is contributing, he seems to live in his head too much, rather than the real world.
I feel like I’ve gone back in time, in a house with two sons who don’t seem that grown up yet who are messy and dependant 🤣
My DH is in New York. Thankfully I’ve got part time work to escape to 😬

Hope everyone who’s DC has returned home is adjusting to having them back, I can’t believe it’s been 3 years.

boys3 · 27/07/2022 09:58

@Itscoldouthere my DS3 is currently at Aberystwyth, just finished his first year and has absolutely loved it. It had his ideal course but he was a bit worried about the relative remoteness, plus coming from the other side of England to start with. It is quite small and self-contained, the town itself only has a population, excl students of around 15,000 people I think. But does have plenty of amenities plus wonderful beaches and Snowdonia a relatively short drive away.

Itscoldouthere · 27/07/2022 10:15

@boys3 thats interesting I’m glad to hear your DC is enjoying it, it does seem like lots of students have a very positive time there.

We went to visit Aberystwyth last year, he had a great meeting with the course head and the course he liked sounded really good, he also told him he had the grades so would have been offered a place. DS had a reading list and I really thought he’d read up and get excited and apply, but he did nothing.

I think it would have worked well for him, a small course, nice town full of students, good places to walk, he likes walking, but he has to make the decision, I’ve don’t mentioned it anymore as I really think he needs to want to make it happen for himself if he’s going to make it work, but it’s hard seeing a bright boys being so lost and directionless. It’s like he’s stuck.

boys3 · 27/07/2022 21:35

it’s hard seeing a bright boys being so lost and directionless. It’s like he’s stuck.

Flowers that's really tough and I wish I could give some practical solution. But I'd hold on to that some point comment you made earlier. I agree with your view that he needs to want to make it happen for himself. Its always been very clear from your posts that he will always have your love and support and I'd take heart from his willingness to go as a guest to the graduation ceremony.

Itscoldouthere · 27/07/2022 22:46

@boys3 thanks, it does get me down a bit at times, but generally I’m a positive person and like to think it will all work out in the end and in the ‘big world’ picture we are very lucky (watched a very eye opening Simon Reeves programme the other night).
I’m so glad to hear that for most, UEA has been a great experience and it’s lovely to think of all your DC now striding out into the world to find the next thing 😊
It’s also helped me to have this group to share with at times, you’ve all been lovely and supportive.

LouisCatorze · 28/07/2022 06:51

I too have had friends who really enjoyed their time at Aberystwyth. I'm sure being by the sea and close to the mountains for adventuring is very therapeutic. Certainly very different landscape to the UEA experience!

Really hoping at some point soon something will just 'click' back for your DS2 @Itscoldouthere . Is your DS1 good at encouraging his younger brother? Sometimes siblings can reach the part that we parents can't reach? And totally second @boys3 that it sounds you are giving him lots of love amd support. And yes, really positive that he was able to support his UEA friends at their graduation.

boys3 · 24/01/2023 21:46

Hope all on the thread and their DCs are well.

Only resurrecting this given the news with regard to the financial difficulties reported at UEA, which given how DS2 enjoyed his undergrad time their and now his Masters (seemingly no immediate impact from the difficulties being reported.

TES has the story. Not sure if this is a lurid headline or not, but things don;t sound great.

Crisis-hit UEA plans redundancies as £23 million deficit looms
Highly regarded institution cuts back due to falling student numbers, high dropout rates and rising energy costs

www.timeshighereducation.com/news/crisis-hit-uea-plans-redundancies-ps23-million-deficit-looms#:~:text=The%20research%2Dintensive%20institution%20is,seen%20by%20Times%20Higher%20Education.

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The University of East Anglia has announced plans to make staff redundant and cut departmental budgets, blaming a “deteriorating financial situation” caused by falling student numbers and the tuition fee freeze.

The research-intensive institution is projecting a deficit of £23 million for 2023-24 and fears this could rise to £37 million in three years, according to an all-staff email sent by vice-chancellor David Richardson and seen by Times Higher Education.

Professor Richardson says the situation is “serious” and plans need to be put in place to address the shortfall and secure long-term financial stability for the university, which is known for its health sciences research and leading creative writing department.

He says the university’s current situation has been caused by a lower-than-expected intake of students for the academic year 2022-23 as well as a higher-than-average dropout rate and a £5 million rise in energy costs in the last year.

“We need to take action now to ensure that we don’t breach the current agreements on our bank loans. If that were to happen, we could face even higher interest rates which would make an already difficult situation even worse,” Professor Richardson writes, adding that such a scenario could also be investigated by the English regulator, the Office for Students.

Faculties will be asked to reduce their budgets because of the difficulties and professional services departments will also be cut by between 10 and 20 per cent.
As a result, “adjustments” may be made to some of the university’s courses, Professor Richardson says, and overall staff numbers are set to be reduced via a programme of compulsory redundancies. A ring-fenced budget reserved for staff rewards is also set to be “put on hold”.

“The university has worked hard to safeguard roles by reducing non-pay related budgets, but this is no longer sustainable,” UEA said in a statement. “Unfortunately, this means that it is unlikely all savings can be made without compulsory redundancies.”

Michael Kyriacou, a lecturer in humanities who chairs the local University and College Union branch, said he did not accept the reasons given for the redundancies, as they did not explain why student numbers had declined at UEA, when they had not at similar institutions.

Instead, he said, there had been “systemic mismanagement” of the institution. “These external factors are not unique to UEA but UEA has uniquely failed to weather them. All boats are in the same storm but why is ours on the rocks? You have to blame those in charge,” he said.

While the number of staff whose jobs may be at risk had not yet been revealed, Dr Kyriacou said if the redundancies are on a scale that is feared, it would “put the institution into a death spiral”.

“Already staff are overworked for our current levels of students and if you are going to cut significantly the numbers of academic staff, there is no way this institution can function,” he added.

UEA said it would continue to work closely with the campus trade unions during the period and provide support to anyone who needs it.

“UEA is a world-leading institution with an international reputation for research and teaching, but we need to adapt and change to the world around us,” Professor Richardson said.

“As a university, I know we will work together to evolve and grow through these difficult times to ensure we have securer financial foundations and a positive vision for our future success.”

Several universities have similarly announced plans to cut back on staff spending and course portfolios in recent months. The Westminster government recently confirmed the long freeze on tuition fees would be extended for a further two years until at least 2024-25 despite fears its value is being eroded by the rapidly rising rate of inflation. University leaders have said many undergraduate courses are now becoming loss-making.

Sluj · 25/01/2023 12:33

Hello @boys3 , nice to see this thread resurrecting.
It's a difficult situation for the university amd I'm not in a position to comment on management failures re the rising costs argument. The big drop out rate surprises me though, why would UEA be worse than anywhere else?
If you still see the Concrete Confessions pages you will see that many students seem unhappy with their course and tutor engagement but is this worse at UEA? It dropped down the tables while our DC were there so perhaps it is a less attractive option now? It was actually 14th in one table when DS1 applied 7 years ago.
Difficult.

juicy0 · 25/01/2023 13:16

It has gone down in almost all league tables so obviously isn't attracting the same number of applications as other better placed unis. The large number of international students who were there pre covid doesn't seem to have recovered post covid which is also a big loss of revenue. With more strikes on the horizon, no increase in student loans to reflect inflation, housing shortages and limited contact time Uni isn't as attractive as it once was I don't think.
Did your DS have an enjoyable experience at UEA in the end?

Wotrewelookinat · 25/01/2023 16:05

Thanks for sharing this. My DD has applied to UEA for this year. We’re relatively local as we’re in Suffolk and have visited the campus a few times for various reasons. When she went for her interview there last week I noticed that it seemed more run down than before, signs broken or missing, rubbish and cigarette ends around, the SU had a couple of ceiling tiles missing and there was a howling gale coming through.

icanbewhatiwant · 25/01/2023 16:12

@Wotrewelookinat hello, we are in Suffolk too. Ds1 went to UEA (graduated in the summer)

That's sad to read really. I hope they pull through. Ds3 says he'd like to go to UEA. He wants to stay close to home. But he's only year 9 so that's a long way off.

Wotrewelookinat · 25/01/2023 16:43

@icanbewhatiwant where in Suffolk are you? My DD knows several people at UEA currently, I’ve sent a message to a couple of mums to ask what their experience is. What did your Ds study there?

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