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Oxbridge 2020

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GinWorksForMe · 02/05/2019 14:15

Is it too early for an Oxbridge 2020 thread? I'm feeling in need of some hand holding through this process...

DS1 is going to apply to Cambridge for Maths. Doesn't know yet whether to name a college or put in an open application, so any tips gratefully received. We have visited two (very different) colleges and been to a Maths Open Day. It's unlikely we're going to have the opportunity to visit many more colleges as their open days seem to be on Saturdays and DS1 has a paid job Saturdays and Sundays.

Anyone else applying for Oxbridge for 2020 entry and want to share the journey?

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Aurea · 07/05/2019 12:41

Let me tell you our story.......

My DC has a conditional Oxford Law offer for 2019 entry. He will be very young when he goes off, and was young in the application process. He attends a non selective 11-18 Scottish state school (no grammar schools in Scotland). There is no sixth form or UCAS coordinator to guide. His one advantage is applying with two sets of exam results - Nat 5s and Highers. He is currently studying for three Advanced Highers for which he needs AAB to meet the conditions of his offer.

His school has very little experience of Oxbridge application. In fact, they only brought up the subject a month before applications were due in. No mention of aptitude tests, requirement of supercurricular activities, etc. No mention of access courses and open days. We have no legal background in the family.

Well, how did he manage it?

His Grandma took him on a day trip to Oxford when he was 16 and he fell in love with the place. At this point, he had set his heart on reading law and started looking through the law section of the Oxford website.

Things he did to help his application, all discussed in his personal statement:

He noticed they had a law essay competition advertised and decided to enter this for his own enjoyment.

He joined the school' s debating society which is entirely student run. He discovered he had an aptitude for debating and was elected president. The club won a national debating competition which of course looked good on his personal statement.

He read and discussed a highly academic law text book and based his Modern Studies dissertation around one of the legal issues.

He independently contacted local law firms with his CV requesting work experience and was twice successful.

He wrote a rudimental legal argument to a bank expressing concerns that they had flouted the Data Protection Act. They conceded wrongdoing and sent him £250 compensation.

He applied and was selected to go to Auschwitz and act as an Ambassador for the Holocaust Educational Trust, and subsequently discussed Human Rights issues in his PS.

He performed above average in his aptitude test and really enjoyed the interview process.

As we realised early on that his school was unwilling/unable to help, I took on the role of facilitator to help him achieve his dream. I have spent many hours scouring websites looking for open day info, information about aptitude tests, interview advice and have passed this information on to him.

Due to my research, he managed to get a place on the Law residential Open Day and spent two nights in a college. He applied directly and he travelled down on the train on his own from the north of Scotland. They offered to pay for his transport , but at this point we had already bought the ticket and didn't feel it was necessary. He also managed to get a place on the half day interview workshop. This was only meant for local applicants, but he was visiting family in London and managed to tie this in. Again, a college offered to pay for his transport believing he was travelling from Scotland for the sole purpose of attending the workshop.

I feel Oxford has been very welcoming, but am realistic that without my organisational input, things could be very different. IMHO it's his school that has failed him as a facilitator, rather than the Oxford application process.

Incidentally, on his return from the interview workshop he bumped into the school's career adviser on the train. She asked him where he'd been. When he explained about his visit to Oxford, she told him that she had been sent info about this workshop, but had ignored the email as she felt no one would be interested!!!!!

I hope this helps and encourages some of your DCs to apply. Good luck!

spababe · 07/05/2019 12:55

Thanks @Kitten - Churchill is the sort of thing he is looking for. I forgot some colleges won't let you walk on the grass. I'm sure his reaction to that is going to be 'interesting'!!

MariaNovella · 07/05/2019 13:00

IMHO it's his school that has failed him as a facilitator, rather than the Oxford application process.

Really? Do you think (state) schools have the resources and knowledge to do all the things you/your family did to support your DS?

Aurea · 07/05/2019 13:07

*Maria
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Their failings were:
Not passing on ANY outreach information that they had been sent.
Not explaining the requirement for personal statements and supercurricular activities until FOUR weeks before the deadline.
Not expecting anyone to apply.

Perhaps my expectations were too high?

MariaNovella · 07/05/2019 13:13

I think the key point is your last one - the school was not expecting anyone to apply.

goodbyestranger · 07/05/2019 13:16

Aurea I'm a bit lost on the stuff generally on this thread about 'supercurricular'. It's not a term I recognise. Extra curricular as in football, tennis etc sure but supercurricular is a new one on me. I think it's almost bound to be the case that any student with the sort of inquiring mind that Oxbridge is looking for will have read additional books or whatever. The 'evidence' of genuine interest need only be incredibly low key/ low cost/ involve no travel or organisation and that's especially the case for students in remote areas or from schools where Oxbridge applications are rare.

MariaNovella · 07/05/2019 13:18

“Super curricular” is the terminology used by Cambridge Admissions when they give talks in schools.

goodbyestranger · 07/05/2019 13:23

On that basis, telling students to include that evidence (of 'supercurricular' on their personal statements in mid Sept seems reasonable.

Also, while not great that the teacher didn't pass on any info to students about attending a half day interview workshop in Oxford but it is very, very, very extreme to be able to do that from the North of Scotland! My stamping ground in Scotland is a little lower down but it just wouldn't be thinkable for most students on the island, however independent or able.

goodbyestranger · 07/05/2019 13:24

Ah right Maria that's why I'll have missed it :) What a daft term. You'd have thought Cambridge could have come up with a better one.

goodbyestranger · 07/05/2019 13:25

(of 'supercurricular'). There's the missing bracket.

MariaNovella · 07/05/2019 13:26

At the Cambridge talk I attended last September, which was reserved for Year 12 equivalents, the Cambridge Admissions person (pretty senior) put huge emphasis on the importance of super curricular activities and evidence.

BasiliskStare · 07/05/2019 13:29

I apologise in advance but what is super curricular - never heard of it - I get extra curricular - is it just a new word for that? Genuinely don't mean to be rude or impolite - but never heard it before.

Pallando · 07/05/2019 13:30

[[https://www.christs.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.christs.cam.ac.uk/files/inline-files/Supra%20Curricular%20Enrichment%20Guide%202018-19_0.pdf Here]] is a guide to some possible "Super-curricular" activities.

BasiliskStare · 07/05/2019 13:30

oh hells teeth - cross post - sorry Blush

goodbyestranger · 07/05/2019 13:30

It may be important but it doesn't need to have bells and whistles attached Maria. Books aren't going out of fashion in academics' eyes anytime soon.

goodbyestranger · 07/05/2019 13:32

Cheers Basilisk :)

Pallando · 07/05/2019 13:32

Sorry for the link fail!

howwudufeel · 07/05/2019 13:34

goodbyestranger I wonder if you have ever considered writing a book about your experiences? It would be fascinating.

goodbyestranger · 07/05/2019 13:35

Cross post with Pallando.

Pallando · 07/05/2019 13:35

This might also be helpful.

Aurea · 07/05/2019 13:35

It's an out of curriculum activity which is directly related to and shows interest in your subject.

For example:
Reading and discussing a relevant subject text book
Debating (for politics and law courses)
Attending lectures in your subject
Visiting court (for law)
Essay competitions in your subject
And so on....

goodbyestranger · 07/05/2019 13:37

I hadn't howwudufeel but I have now since your post and the answer is a resounding no, I most certainly wouldn't!

goodbyestranger · 07/05/2019 13:41

Or indeed it most certainly wouldn't!

howwudufeel · 07/05/2019 13:44

You don’t realise how useful some people would find it. It would be outreach for parents!

MariaNovella · 07/05/2019 13:46

Books are a wonderful and probably sufficient resource for History or English or Economics. Architecture, law, medicine require more field work.