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University offers for 2017 start (Part 2)

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EnormousTiger · 02/03/2017 11:21

Continuation of the original thread which is now on to 40 page maximum.
Original thread (part 1) here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/higher_education/2759621-Uni-offers-for-2017-start?

Most offers now received. My twins have had offers from their 4 and are currently deciding which will be firm and which insurance. One twin
( possibly two of them) is going to an offer holders' day coming up at Bristol next month with his friends from school.

OP posts:
Lalsy · 08/05/2017 14:18

Yes, it is. dd got an email from either UCAS or her university (saying she had gone to unconditional) while the school's email system was still crashing Grin - so she knew she had a place before she knew her grades.

BehindTheBlueDoor · 08/05/2017 14:23

From what I understand DC get notification via UCAS congratulating them on their place at XX uni so they know where they're going sometimes before they know their results. You often see a screen shot posted on FB.

Gannet123 · 08/05/2017 14:35

In the vast majority of cases, results go directly to the university before the candidate gets them. In the case of A levels, the University's decision should be available on UCAS Track on the morning of results day - unless the university concerned is being tardy in making decisions or doesn't have all the information. University's aren't allowed to pass results on to applicants - so you need to get the exam results from school, but you can usually do so knowing whether or not you have a place at university.

doglover · 08/05/2017 21:02

Is there a set time in the morning that the uni's decisions are posted? Do we set an alarm clock ...... assuming we manage to sleep in the first place?!

eatyourveg · 08/05/2017 21:12

track normally updates between 7 and half seven

doglover · 08/05/2017 21:13

Thanks for the info :)

Waitingforsherlock · 08/05/2017 21:17

My ds's results were available from 6am on the school portal. I believe the uni's have them for a number of days before the Thursday of results day. So an early morning after a sleepless night...

HSMMaCM · 08/05/2017 21:39

I was doing extensive ucas research on the subject today. Ucas freezes for 5 days before results day. This is because all the unis are getting the results and making offers and we're not allowed to see them before results day. It should unfreeze at around 8am on results day, at which point most offers should be available. I will probably be looking from about midnight onwards Grin.

doglover · 08/05/2017 21:50

It's simultaneously terrifying and exciting! :)

goodbyestranger · 08/05/2017 22:26

They say 8am but it's actually earlier - fact :)

BasiliskStare · 08/05/2017 22:33

One experience only , DS had his university place accepted on UCAS track before he could see his 6th form ( A level ) results. It was before 8 am. Others will know better.

hellsbells99 · 08/05/2017 23:59

The last 2 years Track has been up at about 7.30am - officially they say 8am. If your DCs have to go into school to collect results, I would advise them to wait until they have checked Track. I have been through this for the last 2 years with my DDs and a lot of students get accepted at one of their choices even when they have missed their results. Good luck!

HSMMaCM · 09/05/2017 07:54

Ok ... so my plan is to hack DD's track at 3am. If she doesn't have an offer, I won't mention it and we'll see where we are with her results. If she does have an offer, I'll suggest she logs on before going to college.

JanetBrown2015 · 09/05/2017 08:46

I will leave it to my boys to check on results day. I've ensured the family holiday is before that in July so at least we will be here. Thankfully my son who needs A*AA is taking my attitude (at least externally anyway) that even his back up is fine and it is not particularly important if he goes to Bristol or Notts. It will be fine either way so I would imagine we will be okay but even then you never know what the results will be - they might both get CCC particularyl as some of their A levels are the new system all on the last year's exams kind. One twin has two of that kind and the other has one. They both did very well in AS history last year not just in getting an A but a very high A but that counts for nothing...... as it's all on the second year. Mind you that is exactly like in my day.

Thanks for the useful information above. I think it's wise to see if accepted before going in to school. I know their school has upper sixth in first, then lower sixth, then GCSE people in a staggered system so they can sort out the most important upper sixth people first but I hope it's not too early as it must be nicer to go in knowing you have your university place.

RedHelenB · 09/05/2017 12:53

Think my dd s college is open for 7 30 but if she misses her grades that's her dentistry dream over!

JugglingFromHereToThere · 09/05/2017 13:59

If people get their insurance rather than their firm do some people phone their firm choice to see/negotiate if there might be any further lee-way? Or do most people accept things as they show up on UCAS track?

I think one parent Q&A I went to said that phoning a missed firm was a possibility?

We'll be pretty happy with our insurance choice and in fact are mainly aiming and hoping for that. We're just having a shot at our preferred RG as well (with the bonus it would also be closer to home)

So, just slightly unsure how to respond to the most likely outcome of getting our insurance choice. Just accept happily, or also try a phone call to the other one just in case?

aginghippy · 09/05/2017 14:30

I haven't even thought about what to do on results day. DD has not mentioned it. Getting through the next 6 weeks seems like enough of a mountain to climb.

Juggling the answer to that question depends very much on what your dd is like. Mine would hate to make that kind of phone call and absolutely refuse to do it. Fortunately, she would be completely happy to accept her insurance choice, if that's what happens.

RedHelenB · 09/05/2017 14:39

This is making me feel nervous and they havent even started their exams yet!!

JugglingFromHereToThere · 09/05/2017 14:57

Thanks for that advice ageinghippy, yes, will probably have to get used to DD making the decisions now she's 18! So, will go with what she wants to do, and her response. I always think it can be helpful to know what your options are though.

And yes, does seem a bit odd to be thinking ahead of these upcoming exams, but all this talk of what time UCAS track updated got me thinking of results day more generally, RedHelen

Gannet123 · 09/05/2017 16:57

You will hear stories about how people phoned up their firm choice and persuaded them to take them after they were rejected. However, I suspect that is very rare once the decision is taken. It may be more common if UCAS Track is still showing you to have a conditional offer, because that means for whatever reason a decision has not yet been taken and a phone call may help.

What you have to appreciate is that University Admissions departments are a frenetic hive of activity in the days before you get the results. First, we have to manually confirm everyone who has made the grades. Then we have to see how many spare places we have. Then we have to decide, assuming we have spare places, which near miss candidates get those places, and we do that by looking at all the applications of near miss candidates. All of that is done through meetings and discussions and management diktats, all of which focus on a combination of student numbers and acceptable grades.
So if an applicant logs onto Track and sees that they do not have a place, one of three things is going on. It might be that enough people got the grades to fill the course places and the university cannot take any more students on that course (student numbers); it might be that their grades are too low to be considered for the course (acceptable grades), or it might be that their grades, whilst just off the offer, have been considered, but overall their application wasn't as strong as others in the same position (student numbers). None of those things can be changed by a phone call. In particular, whilst we have more administrative flexibility than we used to have in terms of student numbers, we still have to bear in mind class sizes, personal tutor allocations, accommodation spaces etc - we can't take everyone we want. And the overarching obligation of the Admissions Tutor in particular is to be fair to all applicants - why should one applicant who rings up get a benefit over one who may not, due to personality or background or whatever else. If I give one phoning applicant a place, there may be others who are at least as good on paper - should I not give them all places as well. So it's not 'just one place' - it may, to be fair, be many more. So any applicant needs to think 'why am I special?'; really, really wanting to do the course doesn't, unfortunately, make you special. The fair thing to do is focus on the application, rather than wait for phone calls.

One thing that does sometimes happen in a phone call is that mitigating circumstances are revealed which were not previously known about. This is always frustrating, because if they are known about before, they can be taken into consideration. I have been known to reconsider a decision if I'm told about important mitigating circumstances which have had a clear effect on results - but I can't always, as it depends on my numbers (if I'm already over target then I just won't have space), so I may also promise to make an unconditional offer if an application is made for the next year. So it is always important to inform Admissions of any potential mitigating circumstances.
In short, if you've got nothing new to add to your application, a phone call is rarely going to make a difference and it's probably best, from a parents perspective, to encourage your DC to accept the situation and move on. If you have mitigating circumstances, tell the university you've applied to sooner rather than later.
It's also worth saying that the fact that a course is in Clearing is not helpful if you've been rejected. Universities would always prefer people who make them their firm choice over clearing candidates, so if a firm choice candidate is rejected and the course is in clearing, they are looking for applicants with higher grades. It's important, I think, to understand that if one is rejected it will be for a good reason and the application will have been looked at.

JugglingFromHereToThere · 09/05/2017 17:56

Thanks gannet that's all very interesting and helpful

poisonedbypen · 09/05/2017 18:03

My DS was told at the open day to call if he didn't get the results he needed (has an unconditional now). However DD didn't get her first choice on results day but was allocated her insurance choice. I'm not at all clear how it would have worked if she had phoned her first choice as everything had been changed in track by then. Can they unravel it all at this point?

poisonedbypen · 09/05/2017 18:06

Also, track did not update before 8am 2 years ago but DD had an email at 7.20am from her second choice saying "Welcome to X university" so she knew she hadn't got the grades needed for her first choice.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/05/2017 18:51

Flowersthanks Gannet - both for that post and for the job you do. It mystifies me how admissions tutors can get their numbers right with firms and insurance places which have to be honoured if the students make those grades.

goodbyestranger · 09/05/2017 18:58

poisonedbypen I saw track had updated in 2015 at around 7.20am and in 2014 at around 6.40am. Perhaps it updates in phases.

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