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Oxbridge Entry 2015

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Roisin · 01/09/2014 17:45

Do we have a thread already?
ds1 has decided to definitely apply to Oxford to do Biochemistry. He will probably apply to St John's.

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AtiaoftheJulii · 21/11/2014 17:58

always they say it might be up to a week before, so no worries yet. And yes, I think they send rejections at the same time. The college my daughter's applied to are listing subjects on their website as decisions are made, and so far only 4 are listed!

MadameJosephine · 21/11/2014 18:00

DS has his first offer, AAA from Bristol. It's his least favourite of the 4 unis he's applied to but at least he has an offer if everybody else rejects him. That's 2 interviews and an offer now :) just UCL that he's not heard from yet

MrsBartlet · 21/11/2014 18:02

Great news, MadameJ!

Alwaysthesame123 · 21/11/2014 18:09

Thanks for that info Atiao, just a matter of waiting....great news for all those who have heard!

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 21/11/2014 18:21

I think the thing is - having concerns about travel is absolutely not the same thing as wanting a parent to hold your hand or not being an independent learner. My DD1 has legitimate concerns about travel - she's dyspraxic, we live in a stupid place and our trains are noxiously the worst in the country on a regular basis. None of this stops her from having been an independent learner since she was about 8 - literally, I have never looked at any of her school books since then. she certainly doesn't need me to hand hold her in interview/exam/audition/performance situations - I'm banned from that sort of thing normally because I 'wind her up' and ideally she prefers me to be out of the country when that sort of stuff is going on - but when it comes to trains she quite sensibly doesn't want the additional grief of the 'what might go wrong' scenario. If and when I travel with her to auditions and interviews we will likely not speak on the trains, we will both studiously ignore each other and do our own thing. But I'll be there with the credit card and the hard won experience of what to do when the trains go tits up should I be needed.

On the other hand, she refused to go and see Iron Man 3 with her dad and siblings until I was in the country (I was away when it opened) because I'm 'the best one' for that sort of thing. Grin And I'll take that. My priorities match hers so we're cool. And I do wind her up (though not as much as she winds me up) in exam type situations so it's much better for me to be far far away (my absence is her secret weapon). Thus even if I travel with her to things I shall stay firmly in the vicinity of the station once we reach our destination, while she goes off and does her thing.

Molio · 21/11/2014 18:58

Figment snow happens now too.... The Oxford interview weeks of 2010 were extraordinary - the Parks and Christchurch Meadows full of the most beautiful things, but with grim accidents on the A34 due to ice. The chaos caused to the delivery of letters of acceptance/ rejection (then all due before Christmas) was huge.

Raidne · 21/11/2014 19:01

Congratulations to your ds on his Bristol offer, MadameJosephine - it is so good to get that first offer!!!! [smil]

MadameJosephine · 21/11/2014 21:49

Thanks mrsbarlet and raidne. He says he'd be disappointed if he didnt get offer from either Cambridge or Imperial but would be happy to go to Bristol unless he did very well in his A levels in which case he'd take a year out and give it another go which I think is a pretty good plan

Littleham · 22/11/2014 10:08

Fantastic Raidne Three days for an interview? Wow- maybe they are setting up an assault course! Grin

Great news MadameJo - so pleased for him. Hope he gets one of his top choices soon.

PD6966 · 22/11/2014 11:02

If my DS gets an interview opportunity of any length of time, I will be ecstatic; certainly not annoyed! Wink Roll on knowing...either way.

Littleham · 22/11/2014 11:10

Why are some of the interviews three days? Does anyone know?

PD6966 · 22/11/2014 11:19

Littleham, DS got an email saying that accommodation has been booked (should he receive an invite) from 4.30pm Sunday through to 6pm Thursday...

Roisin · 22/11/2014 11:25

Littleham, at Oxford they aim to get the whole procedure finished in one trip. So there will be a scheduled, planned timetable for each candidate of 2 or 3 interviews, including at least 2 colleges. For some subjects there are tests also. Then the tutors will meet and have some initial deliberations; then depending how it's going or what quality of candidates they have seen so far, they will swap candidates around between colleges and arrange more interviews. It's a bit like what happens with the pool at Cambridge, but it happens immediately at Oxford.

But also you can't draw conclusions from being offered additional interviews, or fewer than expected: it can mean anything!

ds1 has to arrive by 5pm on the Sunday; he may be free to leave 3pm on the Tuesday, or may need to stay for another day/night.

Candidates are advised to bring homework/study/things to do with them as there will be a lot of waiting around. When they arrive they will be given an initial schedule of interviews, (plus some social activities with the college). But after that they just need to keep watch on a noticeboard for info going up for candidates, or for a message to their mobile!

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MissMillament · 22/11/2014 11:40

Thanks Atia for that info re college websites - just checked on the one DD has applied to and they have posted the subjects they have made offers on, so I can keep an eye on it rather than stress DD out by asking her if she has checked her spam folder every freaking five minutes!
WRT to going with them, I think it is a little unfair to judge that they are not capable of going to university if they can't manage the interview alone. DD has severe social anxiety and of course I worry about how she will cope more than I will about my younger children when the time comes for them to go, do if I thought she needed me around at the interview stage I absolutely would go along. I think she will cope alone, and it will be good for her to do so, but those of you who are blessed with outgoing DC honestly cannot imagine how what tortures our anxious, introverted DC go through in any kind of new situation. Just because they need more help to manage new and unfamiliar environments doesn't mean they are not entitled to be there though.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 22/11/2014 11:45

The Oxford interview period is three days, or whatever indicated on the website - the timetable and procedure is all there, months in advance, so shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone now. The idea is that the colleges get all the interviewees in the same place at the same time. This is how I believe it works, but this is based on being the mother of an applicant three years ago and obsessively following TSR and various threads here.

E.g. St Mungo's has 10 places available for Mumsnet Studies. 20 people are invited for interview, one of them being Mary Smith. A schedule is drawn up for all 20 to have two interviews each over a 2-day period.

After the interviews, all the interviewers get together to compare notes. They may conclude that 5 applicants are not up to Oxford standard at all, 7 are great and they want to offer them places and 8 are Oxford standard but not top choice for St Mungo's - Mary Smith is in this group.

The St Mungo's Admissions Tutor for MN studies goes off to meet all the other MNS admissions tutors from the other colleges.They compare notes on all their borderline applications, so all the ATs consider whether they want to offer Mary an additional interview.

St Mungo's is still looking for its final 3 students and will therefore consider other colleges' borderline applicants.

By the end of the meeting, each Admissions Tutor will have a list of borderline people who will be having additional interviews at other colleges. They go back to base and the borderline people are given a time and college to report for another interview. (The very strong and very weak applicants are simply told at this point that they can go home.)

Mary is asked to go to Midge College for another interview, after which she is told she can go home.

The interviewers and ATs then get back together again, as before, to discuss how the second round of interviews went. Final decisions are made and notified early in the New Year.

So at this point the possible outcomes for each applicant are:

  1. Interviewed only at St Mungo's, no offer made.
  2. Interviewed only at St Mungo's, offer made by St Mungo's.
  3. Interviewed at St Mungo's and another college, offer made by St Mungo's.
  4. Interviewed at St Mungo's and another college, offer made by the other college.
  5. Interviewed at St Mungo's and another college, no offer made by either college.
  6. Very rarely, interviewed at St Mungo's and another College, offer made by the university of a place at Oxford, but with the allocation to a college to be made after the A level results.

(My son had outcome 4 and it has worked out really well for him.)

It sounds incredibly complicated written out like this and it must be a nightmare to co-ordinate but the huge advantage for the applicants is that the interviews are all over in one hit. At Cambridge this isn't necessarily the case because they have the so called winter pool, and may call people back for a second interview in January. If I understand correctly, at Cambridge you have all your December interviews at the original college and you might get a letter in January saying that they're not making you an offer but they've put you in the pool. You then have to wait for another couple of weeks for the outcome of that.

Of course, in both cases it is a lot more of a palaver than applying anywhere else. But at Oxford you are effectively getting a little taste of what it would be like to be a student there, which can be helpful in making a decision, if you get an offer, or get rejected and wonder whether to apply again.

Molio · 22/11/2014 11:47

Ds was four days last year Littleham.... from 10am Tuesday with the last interview at 3pm on Friday.

Exceptional to get four offers already - fantastic! For no reason in particular :), can I ask what the Bristol offer was for your DD? AAA? A*AA? AAB? ABB?

You can draw conclusions from extra interviews Roisin, it's just that there are a lot of competing conclusions :) The firmest conclusion to draw is that they don't interview you at an extra college if you're not of the required standard.

Littleham · 22/11/2014 11:58

Thanks so much for that useful explanation Roisin. I didn't realise they could be interviewed by other colleges. Makes much more sense now.

MissMilliment - My four are all different - a confident introvert, a confident extrovert, a shy introvert and a disorganised extrovert! Do what is best for your child.

MissMillament · 22/11/2014 12:05

I will, Littleham. Grin I guess a couple of posts on this thread just hit a nerve because it is not always easy to decide what best is. The past few months have been difficult for DD and I'm not always sure I have got it right.

Littleham · 22/11/2014 12:12

That is kind of you Molio, she is really happy about it. Her Bristol offer is A*AA (we were hoping it would be lower, but I think her comprehensive sits just on the cut-off boundary). However, she is so set on York, it doesn't really matter. Obviously it could ALL change at the offer days.

Sorry AllMimsy, but I didn't know about the multiple interviews as dd2 only decided to apply just before the deadline. All a bit last minute & have not done too much research (apart from this very useful thread of course) as she is probably a bit borderline. Your write up with numbered possible outcomes is incredibly useful.

Scottandcharlene · 22/11/2014 12:24

If it's any comfort I think the Oxbridge environment is much easier to cope with for more anxious or introverted people. DD's insurance choice was a large city with university buildings spread around and accommodation all over the place and I think she would have found it much harder to settle, whereas at Cambridge she has been able to grow in confidence on her own terms. I'm not afraid to admit that being able to share in the experience, be it going along for interviews or visiting during term time, is a privilege that I am happy to embrace.

PD6966 · 22/11/2014 12:35

Here's a recent, simplistic explanation about interviews (and reallocation in action) from the Oxford Computer Science Dept on TSR...
www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2581824&page=302

MrsBartlet · 22/11/2014 12:35

MissMillament - no-one else knows your dd like you do, so I am sure you will do what is best for her. My dd is not introverted but she has made a choice that she will be more relaxed hanging out with me in the breaks between interviews than being with other candidates. She is worried that they will make her anxious by talking about how they answered in the exam etc and therefore put her off her game!

MadameJosephine · 22/11/2014 12:44

scottandcharlene that's exactly why I feel DS will thrive at Cambridge should he be lucky enough to get in. His second and third choices are in central London and will be much more stressful for him (and a good deal more expensive!)

bobs123 · 22/11/2014 13:05

MrsB I'm with you on that one. My DD is on medication for anxiety and had a total meltdown in the mock interview at school last week - I think it was when they suddenly started talking in French it totally threw her!

However it is her choice to put herself through this. She has offers from the other 4 unis she's applied to and is not sure whether she would be suited to Cambridge (and vice versa). She has the impression it is all work and no play!!!

AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 22/11/2014 13:26

Hi, Littleham, sorry to have been a bit churlish earlier. I was so immersed in this stuff three years ago that I think I forgot that other people have a life may not be! (I may say that although I was obsessing about it, I'm really not a helicopter parent - my son would never let me be, apart from anything else.) Glad my example was useful. Roisin said much the same but much more concisely!

Good luck to all those waiting for interviews, and for the interviews when they come.

Scottandcharlene, I think that's a very good point. It's a very protected environment, albeit pressured. I had a very different university experience and one of the things I liked about it was that when I walked back onto the street I was completely unidentifiable as a student. I was just another Londoner. I might have felt very differently about that had I not met my husband (as he is now) early in my first term, though!