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Guest Post: “Why have we overlooked autism in women and girls?”

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 02/04/2019 15:28

Think of someone with autism. Who do you picture? I doubt it was a teenage girl, or a middle-aged woman. Most people think of autism as mainly affecting boys, and our stereotypes tend to be very male; think Rainman, or Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory. But those stereotypes are one of the reasons that thousands of autistic girls and women are missed, mis-diagnosed and sometimes mistreated.

Until recently, experts believed that there were about five times as many autistic males as females. Current research (by Gillian Loomes from the University of Leeds) reveals a much more balanced male-to-female ratio of 3:1, based on high quality studies in the general population. By implication, there are thousands of autistic women and girls who have not made it to diagnostic clinics and are not receiving any specialist services.

Now, in a new book, Girls and Autism: Education, Family and Personal Perspectives, we hope to raise awareness of these autistic girls and women, so that parents, teachers and GPs will think "Could this be autism?" when they see a girl with social and communication difficulties and rigid/repetitive behaviour. Autism Spectrum Disorder is diagnosed based on behaviour; there’s no blood or genetic test for autism. By drawing on real life experiences of girls, their mothers, teachers, researchers and other professionals, we have explored why autism is often missed, and how autism can look rather different in girls compared to boys. While it’s clear that every girl on the autism spectrum is unique, there are some characteristics you might notice and should look out for.

These include:

  • Struggling socially – may find it difficult to make or keep friends, can’t ‘put herself in someone else’s shoes’, or may find ‘doing social’ exhausting, needing lots of downtime alone afterwards (eg after school).
  • Communication is different – may take things literally and find it difficult to tell if someone is joking or being sarcastic, may seem to stick to a ‘script’ (eg for small talk) or copy others (eg to know when to laugh).
  • Finds change difficult – more distressed by unexpected small changes to plan or routine than others her age, dislikes surprises, needs certainty and sees things in ‘black or white’ terms.
  • Sensory sensitivities – can’t bear certain sounds, textures, sensations (eg, light touch, fluorescent lights), but loves and gets lost in other sensory experiences (eg spinning objects or self).
  • Intense interests - has all-encompassing interest in one, relatively narrow topic/collection, and it may be hard to redirect her attention or conversation to other things.
  • Poor mental health – most autistic girls (and boys) suffer a lot of anxiety, and depression (and even suicide) can be a problem, as well as eg eating disorders, ADHD, clumsiness…

“Why have we overlooked autism in women and girls?” you might ask. I think there are at least three reasons.

First, research has often excluded female participants – partly because researchers expected autistic females to be so rare. The result is that what we think we know about autism from research, is actually what we know about male autism; it may or may not apply to females on the autism spectrum. And that research bias matters, because our diagnostic criteria and processes are based on those (mostly male) findings.

Second, most people have a male stereotype of autism, and so parents, teachers and GPs are less likely to think ‘autism’ when they see a girl struggling socially, than when they see a boy with social difficulties. We know that girls get diagnosed on average later than boys, and are less likely to get an autism diagnosis when showing the same autistic features. Part of the problem may be so-called ‘diagnostic overshadowing’; if an undiagnosed autistic girl develops an eating disorder, for example, a clinician may diagnose anorexia, but fail to dig deeper or recognise that this is anorexia and autism. And that matters because the causes and therefore best treatment for that eating disorder
may be very different in an autistic girl; perhaps an insistence on staying at an absolutely specific weight, rather than any concern about appearance or body shape.

The third reason is that autism may look different in some women and girls, compared to some boys and men. For example, while the intense special interests that are characteristic of autism typically have an unusual focus (eg, telegraph poles), for autistic girls the topic is often unremarkable (eg, a boy band, one breed of horse), and may not strike others as peculiar unless they find out just how intense, specific and all-encompassing it is. Some autistic females also tell us that they deliberately ‘camouflage’ their autism, for example painstakingly copying how a socially-successful girl in their class dresses, walks, talks and does her hair. An autistic friend of mine even trained as an actor to learn how to ‘act normal’, many years before she received her autism diagnosis.

For all these reasons, autistic girls are going undiagnosed, with significant consequences for their mental health. In the diagnostic clinics we have worked with, there are women coming for first diagnosis of autism in their 70s, after a lifetime of being misunderstood, and sometimes mis-medicated for mistaken psychiatric diagnoses. If their autism had been recognised, supported and their differences respected, their lives might have been very different. They might not have been so vulnerable to bullying, abuse, and isolation, with all the negative effects on their self-esteem and mental health. Raising awareness of girls and women on the autism spectrum is the first step to change that.

Girls and Autism: Education, Family and Personal Perspectives (Routledge, £29.99) is out now. 20% discount and free delivery with code A008. Discount available until 30/06/19

Francesca Happé is Professor of Cognitive Neuroscience at King’s College London who leads psychological research on autism. She will be returning to this post on Monday 8 April to answer some questions.

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FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 11:12

@MrsJackRussell asks 'I don't think it's affecting her socially as she has friends. Is it worth getting a diagnosis and would I go to the GP for this?'
I'm sure there have been replies from autistic women about the value of diagnosis for self-understanding and accommodations. Of course, the time has to be right for your dd, and strictly speaking a doctor may not diagnose autism unless your dd is finding fitting into the neurotypical world difficult. that can ebb and flow according to the demands of school, etc. generally, I think women find getting a diagnosis is helpful...

FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 11:21

@PrettyAmazingGrace thanks, I love that explanation of autistic difference not deficit: "autism isn't a programming error; it's a different operating system"!

FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 11:26

@Foodismedicine You mention your dd has anorexia and you think she might also be on the autism spectrum? Definitely worth raising this with her clinical team, as the overlap seems to be fairly common. Did her autistic traits show up way before her eating disorder? I ask because being at very low body weight does affect thinking style and social interaction, so knowing what came first is important. But definitely worth discussing with the clinical team, as some autistic girls and women need a different approach for eating disorder treatment.

PrettyAmazingGrace · 08/04/2019 11:33

Thanks Francesca. 'difference not deficit' is a neat encapsulation o it too Smile

PrettyAmazingGrace · 08/04/2019 11:34

of it

FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 11:34

@EskSmith

Pretty much described my 10 year old DD there. I have suspected as much for a long time. She masks at school and our doctors have said she needs to be referred by school to get an assessment. I'm really concerned that she will simply not cope with the transition to secondary school but have hit a complete brick wall at getting her assessed. Am I missing something? How do I get taken seriously by medical professionals and the school?

@EskSmith this is such a common problem for autistic girls (and some boys of course)! I am sure others here will have advice from first person experience. There is a useful short handbook/leaflet for schools by NASEN:
www.nasen.org.uk/resources/resources.girls-and-autism-flying-under-the-radar.html
You might try giving the SENCO that?
Other parents I know have (with their dd's permission, of course) filmed anxiety-based shutdowns or even meltdowns at home, to show a sensible teacher how different their dd is once they no longer have to mask.

AGnu · 08/04/2019 11:35

Hello! What advice would you give women who think they've been misdiagnosed after being assessed against the male criteria with no allowances made for how women can be affected differently? I can't afford to go private but I have very little faith in our local service after they told me they rarely give a diagnosis of autism & completely dismissed my points about how women present as "just someone's opinion, not diagnostic criteria."

ineedaknittedhat · 08/04/2019 11:39

abno having discipline meant that everyone benefited, not just autistic pupils. I don't care what makes someone a bully, people can't just go around 'expressing themselves' as they see fit otherwise it just ends up being a chimpanzee enclosure.

Going with what benefited the majority worked. People need to be trained to get a grip sometimes. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 11:42

@AGnu

Hello! What advice would you give women who think they've been misdiagnosed after being assessed against the male criteria with no allowances made for how women can be affected differently? I can't afford to go private but I have very little faith in our local service after they told me they rarely give a diagnosis of autism & completely dismissed my points about how women present as "just someone's opinion, not diagnostic criteria."

@AGnu I do sympathise - it is a problem that current diagnostic criteria weren't based on enough data from females on the spectrum! There is more and more research out now, though - so it isn't just 'opinion'! I summarise it in the 'Girls and Autism' book.
If you can get your doctor to look at the text (not just diagnostic criteria) in the diagnostic manual DSM-5, it talks about asking adults about their thinking styles, internal stress, etc - not just looking at a snapshot of behaviour.
Of course, not everyone who suspects they are on the spectrum, will meet diagnostic criteria - there are shades and for some it may be most appropriately an identity or 'way of being', rather than a clinical diagnosis. 'Finding your tribe' doesn't rely on getting a clinical diagnosis, thank heavens. Does that make sense?

FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 11:50

[quote differentnameforthis]**@NopeNi* - I think the main one is "how will you ensure that future generations of women aren't missed?" Could we run the quick test across all schoolchildren and look at those with especially high scores?*

Then you'd miss those like my daughter who wouldn't do well in the test, and who doesn't get particularly high scores. Not all people with autism attain high scores.[/quote]

How to make sure we don't miss autism in girls who are struggling? Poeple talk of a missed generation, because so many women in their 30s, 40's...even 70s are coming forward for autism diagnosis. They were missed partly because our diagnostic criteria for autism were much, much narrower 30 years ago. But girls are still being missed today because teachers, GPs and even parents are slower to think 'is this autism?' for a girl than a boy.
I'm not sure a screening assessment for all girls would work, for two reasons. First, everyone is different - some of our autistic dds would be missed and maybe then they and their parents would be listened too even less when they ask for help.
Second, even if 1 in 100 girls is autistic, a screening test would end up with loads of false positive results (i.e. sayting a girl was autistic when she wasn't). that's true even if the test was 95% accurate - which it could never be (given masking etc) - simply because 99 out of 100 girls isn't autistic. Hope that makes sense?
Educating schools and GPs about females on the spectrum is the way forward, I think.

LightTripper · 08/04/2019 11:53

Thanks for these responses.

I just wanted to say that I think things may be changing for the better. DD got a Dx aged 4 with very little "push" from us (just a willingness to go along and see what happened), and without having horrible problems at pre-school or at home. They could just see that she was different enough to merit the Dx I guess, and I'm sure it's helped us and school put accommodations in place that mean that she is now having a great time in Reception with friends and without needing any 1:1 support (though her school does have small class sizes, which I'm sure helps).

I wish schools could do more to accommodate "as a matter of course". I think so many of the accommodations for autistic kids (quiet spaces, explaining what will happen next, somewhere to go if feeling overwhelmed) would be great for ALL kids.

Anyway, am part way through the book and it is brilliant. I would particularly recommend to parents of tween/teen girls as there seemed to be lots of great insights from teenagers/teenage years.

FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 11:58

@LightTripper

Thanks for these responses.

I just wanted to say that I think things may be changing for the better. DD got a Dx aged 4 with very little "push" from us (just a willingness to go along and see what happened), and without having horrible problems at pre-school or at home. They could just see that she was different enough to merit the Dx I guess, and I'm sure it's helped us and school put accommodations in place that mean that she is now having a great time in Reception with friends and without needing any 1:1 support (though her school does have small class sizes, which I'm sure helps).

I wish schools could do more to accommodate "as a matter of course". I think so many of the accommodations for autistic kids (quiet spaces, explaining what will happen next, somewhere to go if feeling overwhelmed) would be great for ALL kids.

Anyway, am part way through the book and it is brilliant. I would particularly recommend to parents of tween/teen girls as there seemed to be lots of great insights from teenagers/teenage years.

@LightTripper Thanks! Really positive to hear your DD had a good diagnostic experience and is doing so well!
I 100% agree that school accommodations that are good for autistic pupils are typically good for all. Schools that care about individuals and can be flexible (e.g. allowing a child to help in the library if breaktimes are unsettlingly unstructured), as well as providing structure (e.g. diaries and calendars ease everyone's anxiety and help our frontal lobes!), and a supportive ethos that communicates respect for all. We should celebrate the great examples, like Limpsfield Grange (the only States school just for girls on the spectrum)!

FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 12:00

Oops, I meant State School, of course.
Clumsy fingers and dyslexia spectrum, so apologies for mistakes in my posts today!
Plan to sign off in the next 15 mins, so do send in any questions?

MrsToddsShortcut · 08/04/2019 12:13

Hi, thank you so much for doing this.

I don't want to be controversial, but I was at a conference last year about trans equality.

I asked Dr Polly Carmichael (who was on the panel) whether the Tavi or NHS were planning any research into why there is such a strong link between Gender Identity issues and Autistic girls.

They are (as I'm sure you know) a large part of the current cohort of young people referred to GIDs, but given their differentiated theory of mind and that they may need to be supported differently, I think we really need to do some really robust research into what and why the link exists.

Are you aware of any research looking into this? Is any planned? Can we do some?

It feels really important to understand this; whether it's dysphoria, whether ROGD is real and quantifiable, and what the best way to support our girls is (my ASC DD is utterly rejecting her body but it seems to me to be connected to struggles with puberty)

Are you aware of any plans to research this?

EskSmith · 08/04/2019 12:16

Thank you to Francesca and many others for your advice. I will make (another) appointment to see our senco. I'm pretty sure filming her would be a non starter as she suffers greatly to hide that side of herself at school but I will try to discuss it with her. Thank you again for your advice.

FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 12:24

@MrsToddsShortcut

Hi, thank you so much for doing this.

I don't want to be controversial, but I was at a conference last year about trans equality.

I asked Dr Polly Carmichael (who was on the panel) whether the Tavi or NHS were planning any research into why there is such a strong link between Gender Identity issues and Autistic girls.

They are (as I'm sure you know) a large part of the current cohort of young people referred to GIDs, but given their differentiated theory of mind and that they may need to be supported differently, I think we really need to do some really robust research into what and why the link exists.

Are you aware of any research looking into this? Is any planned? Can we do some?

It feels really important to understand this; whether it's dysphoria, whether ROGD is real and quantifiable, and what the best way to support our girls is (my ASC DD is utterly rejecting her body but it seems to me to be connected to struggles with puberty)

Are you aware of any plans to research this?

@MrsToddsShortcut thanks for this important question. As you say, its a really complex and often controversial topic (and please forgive me if I use the wrong terms; ignorance not lack of respect), but it certainly seems that gender fluidity, being nonbinary, and also identifying as trans are all more common amongst people in the autism spectrum compared to 'neurotypicals'. I believe there is research going on - Ilse Noens in Leuven was thinking about this some years before others. If you want references to academic journal papers, email me at King's College London?

FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 12:28

The National Autistic Society also have info about gender identity etc and autism:
www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/gender.aspx

FrancescaHappe · 08/04/2019 12:37

Farewell everyone - it was fun joining the discussion, and I look forward to learning more from reading all your messages!

If you want to know more about Autism and Girls, why not read:
Girls and Autism: Education, Family and Personal Perspectives (Routledge, £29.99) - 20% discount and free delivery with code A008. Discount available until 30/06/19

If you want to know more about all aspects of Autism, why not read my new book with Dr Sue Fletcher-Watson:
www.routledge.com/Autism-A-New-Introduction-to-Psychological-Theory-and-Current-Debate/Fletcher-Watson-Happe/p/book/9781138106123

Guest Post: “Why have we overlooked autism in women and girls?”
MrsToddsShortcut · 08/04/2019 12:48

Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. It's such an important area and so vital that people can get a better understanding of us and our girls. Thanks for everything you do Thanks

LightTripper · 08/04/2019 14:02

Yes, thank you!!

abno · 08/04/2019 17:45

@ineedaknittedhat Sorry, what have I missed? Why couldn't I be expected to understand something? That's pretty ableist!!

JohnMcCainsDeathStare · 09/04/2019 08:30

There is a major shortfall in autism and diagnosis for girls and women, and this is particularly acute when entering the job market and having to go up against the hurdles of interviews, HR people and increasingly CV-mangling algorithms.

I tried to go the NHS route but gave up since I got pinballed into mental health. (My mental health was pretty toiletty at the time but I had jobseeking-induced depression so no actual therapy would be of any use)
I ended up paying for mine and wish I had done so YEARS ago, particularly considering the shitshow that was jobseeking last time. There are reasons why only 20% or so of autistic people are in employment when much more than that are capable of working. I had more than a year of jobseeking, double-digit number of interiviews and suicidal thoughts until I got a job - and I am someone who has very high level qualifications and multiple techincal skills.

UnusualBluePenguin · 09/04/2019 18:37

I'm grateful for this discussion even though it got a bit controversial at times. I really feel I have some of these traits. I have some autistic children in my family and have realised I do share some traits with them but I have always thought I am not as badly affected and can cope with everyday life and relationships ok. But looking at the description of women with autism and reading some of their stories, I see a lot of similarities to myself.
I still don't think I would pursue a diagnosis. But I will read more for advice on some of my issues.

LightTripper · 10/04/2019 10:23

That's where I am too Penguin. And whether I am or not, I feel understanding more about it and that some of us are wired differently (whether that's enough for a diagnosis or not) gives me "permission" to do things my own way a bit more and not to push myself into behaving certain ways or doing certain things because "everybody else manages so I must be able to as well".

You might like "Odd Girl Out" by Laura James and "The Electricity of Every Living Thing" by Katherine May also - both women who discovered later in life they were autistic. Or "Spectrum Women" which is a collection of experiences from a number of autistic women.

PotterInWales · 12/05/2020 15:48

Hello mumsnet

I’m a mum of an autistic 16 year old but also completing a doctorate in educational psychology. For my doctoral research project I’m looking at girls who have been diagnosed in adolescence with autism - and the way it impacts how they view themselves....if you have a daughter with autism diagnosed in adolescence and think she might want to take part I’ve attached the information. Thanks in advance 😊

Guest Post: “Why have we overlooked autism in women and girls?”
Guest Post: “Why have we overlooked autism in women and girls?”