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Guest Post: “Why have we overlooked autism in women and girls?”

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 02/04/2019 15:28

Think of someone with autism. Who do you picture? I doubt it was a teenage girl, or a middle-aged woman. Most people think of autism as mainly affecting boys, and our stereotypes tend to be very male; think Rainman, or Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory. But those stereotypes are one of the reasons that thousands of autistic girls and women are missed, mis-diagnosed and sometimes mistreated.

Until recently, experts believed that there were about five times as many autistic males as females. Current research (by Gillian Loomes from the University of Leeds) reveals a much more balanced male-to-female ratio of 3:1, based on high quality studies in the general population. By implication, there are thousands of autistic women and girls who have not made it to diagnostic clinics and are not receiving any specialist services.

Now, in a new book, Girls and Autism: Education, Family and Personal Perspectives, we hope to raise awareness of these autistic girls and women, so that parents, teachers and GPs will think "Could this be autism?" when they see a girl with social and communication difficulties and rigid/repetitive behaviour. Autism Spectrum Disorder is diagnosed based on behaviour; there’s no blood or genetic test for autism. By drawing on real life experiences of girls, their mothers, teachers, researchers and other professionals, we have explored why autism is often missed, and how autism can look rather different in girls compared to boys. While it’s clear that every girl on the autism spectrum is unique, there are some characteristics you might notice and should look out for.

These include:

  • Struggling socially – may find it difficult to make or keep friends, can’t ‘put herself in someone else’s shoes’, or may find ‘doing social’ exhausting, needing lots of downtime alone afterwards (eg after school).
  • Communication is different – may take things literally and find it difficult to tell if someone is joking or being sarcastic, may seem to stick to a ‘script’ (eg for small talk) or copy others (eg to know when to laugh).
  • Finds change difficult – more distressed by unexpected small changes to plan or routine than others her age, dislikes surprises, needs certainty and sees things in ‘black or white’ terms.
  • Sensory sensitivities – can’t bear certain sounds, textures, sensations (eg, light touch, fluorescent lights), but loves and gets lost in other sensory experiences (eg spinning objects or self).
  • Intense interests - has all-encompassing interest in one, relatively narrow topic/collection, and it may be hard to redirect her attention or conversation to other things.
  • Poor mental health – most autistic girls (and boys) suffer a lot of anxiety, and depression (and even suicide) can be a problem, as well as eg eating disorders, ADHD, clumsiness…


“Why have we overlooked autism in women and girls?” you might ask. I think there are at least three reasons.

First, research has often excluded female participants – partly because researchers expected autistic females to be so rare. The result is that what we think we know about autism from research, is actually what we know about male autism; it may or may not apply to females on the autism spectrum. And that research bias matters, because our diagnostic criteria and processes are based on those (mostly male) findings.

Second, most people have a male stereotype of autism, and so parents, teachers and GPs are less likely to think ‘autism’ when they see a girl struggling socially, than when they see a boy with social difficulties. We know that girls get diagnosed on average later than boys, and are less likely to get an autism diagnosis when showing the same autistic features. Part of the problem may be so-called ‘diagnostic overshadowing’; if an undiagnosed autistic girl develops an eating disorder, for example, a clinician may diagnose anorexia, but fail to dig deeper or recognise that this is anorexia and autism. And that matters because the causes and therefore best treatment for that eating disorder
may be very different in an autistic girl; perhaps an insistence on staying at an absolutely specific weight, rather than any concern about appearance or body shape.

The third reason is that autism may look different in some women and girls, compared to some boys and men. For example, while the intense special interests that are characteristic of autism typically have an unusual focus (eg, telegraph poles), for autistic girls the topic is often unremarkable (eg, a boy band, one breed of horse), and may not strike others as peculiar unless they find out just how intense, specific and all-encompassing it is. Some autistic females also tell us that they deliberately ‘camouflage’ their autism, for example painstakingly copying how a socially-successful girl in their class dresses, walks, talks and does her hair. An autistic friend of mine even trained as an actor to learn how to ‘act normal’, many years before she received her autism diagnosis.

For all these reasons, autistic girls are going undiagnosed, with significant consequences for their mental health. In the diagnostic clinics we have worked with, there are women coming for first diagnosis of autism in their 70s, after a lifetime of being misunderstood, and sometimes mis-medicated for mistaken psychiatric diagnoses. If their autism had been recognised, supported and their differences respected, their lives might have been very different. They might not have been so vulnerable to bullying, abuse, and isolation, with all the negative effects on their self-esteem and mental health. Raising awareness of girls and women on the autism spectrum is the first step to change that.

Girls and Autism: Education, Family and Personal Perspectives (Routledge, £29.99) is out now. 20% discount and free delivery with code A008. Discount available until 30/06/19

Francesca Happé is Professor of Cognitive Neuroscience at King’s College London who leads psychological research on autism. She will be returning to this post on Monday 8 April to answer some questions.
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GaudaofEda · 04/04/2019 18:01

Am I the only one uncomfortable with positive posts busting myth about autistic people being deleted, while ableist degrading discourse is protected, denying autistic people a voice?

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HeathRobinson · 04/04/2019 18:41

@GaudaofEada - what an excellent piece of writing on that link.

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GaudaofEda · 04/04/2019 18:45

Oh, it's not mine unfortunately, I am sorry, I didn't realise it may sound this way. It is excellent indeed.

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AGnu · 04/04/2019 21:29

I love that link Gauda! That hyperfocus state got me through my first labour. It was so much calmer than my other 2 which, although may have seemed less complicated to others, were so much more stressful for me. People kept interrupting, asking me how I was doing. In my first labour the midwife was too busy on the phone to her supervisor telling them I was being awkward not wanting monitoring after every contraction to bother me too much!

It never ceases to amaze me how much I relate to women's experiences of life with autism & yet they wouldn't give me a diagnosis. So much of what I've read helps me to make sense of why I am the way I am. Often it's things I hadn't even realised I did. I'm such an expert at masking that I don't even realise I'm doing it until I read something like that & remember DH calling the midwife & my labour stalling while I greeted her & offered her a cup of tea. I'd been having regular contractions until that point but when one has guests one offers them drinks & makes small talk, one does not sit in silence breathing steadily. How on earth was I supposed to concentrate on pushing a person out of my body when there was a stranger there demanding I conform to social norms by her mere presence?!

I actually signed myself out of hospital after one birth. They were all born at home but I had to transfer in for stitches. They wanted me to stay in a busy ward for a second night for "observation". There must've been at least a dozen women in the room, pressing buzzers that went unanswered, cooing at their screaming babies & no-one had time to help me with feeding, & I didn't have the words to communicate what I needed. All I could think about was escaping. We were readmitted a few days later when the baby still wasn't feeding. One midwife scoffed when she saw us & said she knew we'd be back & it was foolish of me to have left. Maybe it was, but I wasn't getting any support while I was there so it didn't really make any difference where I wasn't feeding, except that when we went back in I was rested & more mentally prepared to deal with it. I was close to meltdown when I signed myself out.

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ArabellaDoreenFig · 04/04/2019 21:30

AutisticHedgehog and others . .

Thank you for articulating so well how I feel about that bloody support thread - it is absolutely astonishing that it stands, it’s full of stereotyping and disablism, and what’s more is very disingenuous as most of the people discussed on the thread who are such shitty people because of their autism have been self diagnosed.

Extremely unhelpful. Would be good if @MNHQ could rename the thread or remove it.


Love the quote about autistic people not having a programming problem- they have a different operating system.

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Shakeitoutnow · 04/04/2019 21:59

I was of the understanding it was offensive to describe someone as as autistic person and it is better to say someone has autism. Happy to be corrected am just interested?

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Xichuensis · 04/04/2019 22:03

(and now I understand my autism, but my autism only, I don’t have arrogance to suggest I can diagnose it in other people)

If you can only understand your autism why do you think you can continually wade in on a thread on relationships and tell posters that what their partners are doing isn't because of their autism? You freely admit you understand no one but yourself so how can you make such statements. You don't know their partner, admit that you don't know their autism, yet some how you appear to know that their partners unreasonable behaviour is not due to autism.

I'd love if you could explain how you know this?

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NonHypotheticalLurkingParent · 04/04/2019 22:07

We’ve been fighting for a diagnosis for dd for nearly 5 years. As somebody mentioned up thread, the people assessing know that autism presents differently in females and yet when diagnosing females they still use the typical male traits as a comparison.

The first person assessing dd said she didn’t meet enough criteria for ASD, but may still have ASD due to masking. So we’re now in limbo where officially dd has ASD traits, but no official diagnosis.

We’ve got to start the diagnosis process again, with another 2 year wait on the list. DD will hopefully start uni in September, it’s getting more and more obvious that she will need support to settle into halls, etc, which she won’t get without a diagnosis. So we’re desperately saving for a private diagnosis from the Lorna Wing Centre who specialise in diagnosing females. The fee is £3000. I’m sure that all the interventions the NHS has given dd over the last 5 years add up to more than the cost of a Lorna Wing assessment.

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Autistichedgehog · 04/04/2019 22:14

I'd love if you could explain how you know this?

No I don’t need to explain. If someone says that a specific action is the cause of something bad then it is up to them to demonstrate that causality. You don’t assume it is true until someone debunks it.

That’s really not how the world works and I’m surprised you really need me to explain that to you. But there you go.....

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obviouslymarvellous · 04/04/2019 22:14

5 years here too battling with school who say she is model student and services. Meanwhile I am hit punched kicked spat at the moment she gets out of school. She is a pro at masking wants to go under the radar. Very literal, rigid in thought has no empathy and very obsessive. Has sensory issues all signs of ASC. Our area only use the ADOS as the diagnostic tool and not the DISCO and I've actually been told more than once to seek a private diagnosis as she also has traits of PDA. Why should we though really??? I've had all the usual comments as it's your parenting etc etc and she's fine when at school. Would anyone dare question this if it was a visible disability? Ooh she can't be autistic she makes eye contact HmmI mean seriously it's 2019 and yet here we are thousands of women and girls being missed. Why do schools have the autonomy of deciding who gets a referral and who doesn't - who made them god and the professional??? Parents and caters are the advocates and should be listened too!

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obviouslymarvellous · 04/04/2019 22:15

*carers not caters - stupid auto correct!

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Xichuensis · 04/04/2019 22:28

No I don’t need to explain. If someone says that a specific action is the cause of something bad then it is up to them to demonstrate that causality. You don’t assume it is true until someone debunks it.

That’s really not how the world works and I’m surprised you really need me to explain that to you. But there you go.....


Wow, what a surprising answer Wink

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NonHypotheticalLurkingParent · 04/04/2019 23:08

obviouslymarvellous Flowers

It’s been the same for us. Even down to other CAMHS practioners telling us to go for a private diagnosis. Why should we have to go private just because the NHS do not know how to assess females?

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TheSandman · 04/04/2019 23:12

Pretty much described my 10 year old DD there. I have suspected as much for a long time. She masks at school and our doctors have said she needs to be referred by school to get an assessment. I'm really concerned that she will simply not cope with the transition to secondary school ?

I had similar fears for my eldest DD who was diagnosed with Asperger's when she was in primary school. The staff there did all they could to help. I remember endless meetings with guidance teachers and the setting up of elaborate schemes to help her (and us) visualise and otherwise understand her challenges. But she was disruptive and VERY unhappy at school. We were terrified that she wouldn't be able to cope with high school and were looking at specialist placement if things didn't work out. When she got to high school she changed completely. She became a different person. The world was suddenly an interesting place, no longer limited by the primary school curriculum which was holding her back. She became herself. She's now 16, straight As. Still a pain in the backside from time to time, but then all teenage girls are.

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Autistichedgehog · 04/04/2019 23:25

@Xichuensis

It’s terribly disappointing that you feel it is appropriate to bring your passive aggression and negativity towards autistic people to a thread that is trying to address a real problem that autistic women and girls face.

It’s sad yet indicative of the attitude we have to face, both on here, and in real life. But your posts are helpful in that it allows others to see this attitude.

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Xichuensis · 04/04/2019 23:28

Your posts have been super helpful too Smile

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Fanjango · 04/04/2019 23:30

It's a massive issue and one finally being spoken of. Are you aware of the FIGS campaign (Fighting Inequality for Girls on the Spectrum)? My daughter is diagnosed but very different to her diagnosed brother and a master masker so unless I was aware there's no way she would have been picked up.

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Autistichedgehog · 04/04/2019 23:37

Xich

Please can you explain how I have been super helpful or are you being sarcastic?

And what do you winky face and smily emojis mean? Are they passive aggressive too or are you attempting to be snide and mean? If so it reminds me of the other girls at school and how they treated me. Teasing the odd one without them realising it seemed to be a great laugh to them.

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Xichuensis · 04/04/2019 23:47

It’s terribly disappointing that you feel it is appropriate to bring your passive aggression and negativity towards autistic people to a thread that is trying to address a real problem that autistic women and girls face.

I would like to say that I found it terribly disappointing too that you felt the need to bring a thread completely unrelated to this one up and drag the thread off topic. You felt the need to bring out your notebook of quotes that are unrelated to the topic autism in women up on this thread, you dragged this thread off topic, not me. That is clear to see.

I find your accusations that I have a negative opinion of autistic people hurtful. I have a negative opinion of you due to your actions in both this thread and others, that is completely different to me having a 'negative opinion of autistic people' because I don't think all autistic people are the same.

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Xichuensis · 05/04/2019 00:00

Sorry I quoted you wrong, I don't show 'negativity towards autistic people', my comments were to you and you only. You are not all 'autistic people'.

Generalising when it comes to anyone whether they have autism or not is never helpful. That is where my first comment came from. I was asking you how you could generalise and say that the behaviour of someone who you have never met couldn't be attributed to their autism.

Good night.

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GaudaofEda · 05/04/2019 01:18

describe someone as as autistic person and it is better to say someone has autism
I gather it is the other way around. There is a popular hashtag #ActuallyAutistic

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snowdrop6 · 05/04/2019 04:53

My dh has autism.2 of my children are diagnosed and under camhs.another child isn't diagnosed but I'm starting to wonder..I know I have it to.when I have 5 minutes to focus on me I intend to write a list of why I think I have it and head to gp.lord knows when that will be ,as my 2 with ehcp are out of education ( over a year now) while Lea try to sort out special provision..
I did turn to the "support" threads for people living with an asd partner a while back...I felt utterly sick,and it put me of mentioning I thought I had it to friends, because I thought everyone was thinking the things about me ,,I had read in the "support " thread....
They are not support threads ..they are autism bashing threads ,and I'm saddened mumsnet allow such discrimination.

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BlooShampoo · 05/04/2019 07:12

Perhaps people who post how crap their autistic partners are should realise that there are autistic adults on here who find such comments deeply hurtful
This ^

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FriarTuck · 05/04/2019 08:07

describe someone as as autistic person and it is better to say someone has autism
I describe myself as 'autistic' or sometimes 'I have autism'. Use whatever the person themselves prefers and you won't go far wrong. Anyone who is getting pissy about the general use of a term like that needs to refocus their priorities on something that actually matters.

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Shakeitoutnow · 05/04/2019 08:34

Thanks @GaudaofEda and @FriarTuck

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