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Guest Post: “Why have we overlooked autism in women and girls?”

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 02/04/2019 15:28

Think of someone with autism. Who do you picture? I doubt it was a teenage girl, or a middle-aged woman. Most people think of autism as mainly affecting boys, and our stereotypes tend to be very male; think Rainman, or Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory. But those stereotypes are one of the reasons that thousands of autistic girls and women are missed, mis-diagnosed and sometimes mistreated.

Until recently, experts believed that there were about five times as many autistic males as females. Current research (by Gillian Loomes from the University of Leeds) reveals a much more balanced male-to-female ratio of 3:1, based on high quality studies in the general population. By implication, there are thousands of autistic women and girls who have not made it to diagnostic clinics and are not receiving any specialist services.

Now, in a new book, Girls and Autism: Education, Family and Personal Perspectives, we hope to raise awareness of these autistic girls and women, so that parents, teachers and GPs will think "Could this be autism?" when they see a girl with social and communication difficulties and rigid/repetitive behaviour. Autism Spectrum Disorder is diagnosed based on behaviour; there’s no blood or genetic test for autism. By drawing on real life experiences of girls, their mothers, teachers, researchers and other professionals, we have explored why autism is often missed, and how autism can look rather different in girls compared to boys. While it’s clear that every girl on the autism spectrum is unique, there are some characteristics you might notice and should look out for.

These include:

  • Struggling socially – may find it difficult to make or keep friends, can’t ‘put herself in someone else’s shoes’, or may find ‘doing social’ exhausting, needing lots of downtime alone afterwards (eg after school).
  • Communication is different – may take things literally and find it difficult to tell if someone is joking or being sarcastic, may seem to stick to a ‘script’ (eg for small talk) or copy others (eg to know when to laugh).
  • Finds change difficult – more distressed by unexpected small changes to plan or routine than others her age, dislikes surprises, needs certainty and sees things in ‘black or white’ terms.
  • Sensory sensitivities – can’t bear certain sounds, textures, sensations (eg, light touch, fluorescent lights), but loves and gets lost in other sensory experiences (eg spinning objects or self).
  • Intense interests - has all-encompassing interest in one, relatively narrow topic/collection, and it may be hard to redirect her attention or conversation to other things.
  • Poor mental health – most autistic girls (and boys) suffer a lot of anxiety, and depression (and even suicide) can be a problem, as well as eg eating disorders, ADHD, clumsiness…


“Why have we overlooked autism in women and girls?” you might ask. I think there are at least three reasons.

First, research has often excluded female participants – partly because researchers expected autistic females to be so rare. The result is that what we think we know about autism from research, is actually what we know about male autism; it may or may not apply to females on the autism spectrum. And that research bias matters, because our diagnostic criteria and processes are based on those (mostly male) findings.

Second, most people have a male stereotype of autism, and so parents, teachers and GPs are less likely to think ‘autism’ when they see a girl struggling socially, than when they see a boy with social difficulties. We know that girls get diagnosed on average later than boys, and are less likely to get an autism diagnosis when showing the same autistic features. Part of the problem may be so-called ‘diagnostic overshadowing’; if an undiagnosed autistic girl develops an eating disorder, for example, a clinician may diagnose anorexia, but fail to dig deeper or recognise that this is anorexia and autism. And that matters because the causes and therefore best treatment for that eating disorder
may be very different in an autistic girl; perhaps an insistence on staying at an absolutely specific weight, rather than any concern about appearance or body shape.

The third reason is that autism may look different in some women and girls, compared to some boys and men. For example, while the intense special interests that are characteristic of autism typically have an unusual focus (eg, telegraph poles), for autistic girls the topic is often unremarkable (eg, a boy band, one breed of horse), and may not strike others as peculiar unless they find out just how intense, specific and all-encompassing it is. Some autistic females also tell us that they deliberately ‘camouflage’ their autism, for example painstakingly copying how a socially-successful girl in their class dresses, walks, talks and does her hair. An autistic friend of mine even trained as an actor to learn how to ‘act normal’, many years before she received her autism diagnosis.

For all these reasons, autistic girls are going undiagnosed, with significant consequences for their mental health. In the diagnostic clinics we have worked with, there are women coming for first diagnosis of autism in their 70s, after a lifetime of being misunderstood, and sometimes mis-medicated for mistaken psychiatric diagnoses. If their autism had been recognised, supported and their differences respected, their lives might have been very different. They might not have been so vulnerable to bullying, abuse, and isolation, with all the negative effects on their self-esteem and mental health. Raising awareness of girls and women on the autism spectrum is the first step to change that.

Girls and Autism: Education, Family and Personal Perspectives (Routledge, £29.99) is out now. 20% discount and free delivery with code A008. Discount available until 30/06/19

Francesca Happé is Professor of Cognitive Neuroscience at King’s College London who leads psychological research on autism. She will be returning to this post on Monday 8 April to answer some questions.
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colouringinpro · 04/04/2019 12:28

august If you've commented, then the thread will show up when you click on the "I'm on" tab. I think it stays on that for 7 days from your comment.

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colouringinpro · 04/04/2019 12:29

Or you can "Watch" the thread which lasts longer. Or both!

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Tomtontom · 04/04/2019 12:36

Thank you to those who have raised concerns about the "support" thread, I share your thoughts. Can you imagine the outrage if someone started a thread to slate their partners who were Christian/ Muslim/ Jewish and started making generalisations? That wouldn't be acceptable. So why is it OK to make the same comments about those on the autistic spectrum?

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hitime · 04/04/2019 12:53

@Baydreams really interesting link thank you. I think it's me too, although I'm far from a genius. I think my awkward "shyness" at school prevented me learning, as I got left behind or stuck on things. Then couldn't move on.

I know a few friends with young autistic boys and the support for them is pretty much no existent which is such a shame. Unless they have enough other issues to get a place in a special school. One nearby just closed due to cuts and is now just used for assessments or as NHS offices.

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IntentsandPorpoises · 04/04/2019 13:00

@Tomtontom am I allowed to admit that life with my dd is really hard, sometimes almost unbearable? Is that ok but not to say that sometimes life with my H is unbearable?

I have bipolar disorder and this morning I was listening to a podcast in which someone was talking about their mum who had bipolar disorder. She spoke about how awful some parts of her childhood were and how sometimes she just wanted her and her dad to move out. And that's ok, I don't feel discriminated against. Bipolar disorder, like autism causes some behaviours that are difficult and make the lives of other more difficult and caring and living with someone who has a condition like that can be really, really hard.

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frogsoup · 04/04/2019 13:12

Obviously every autistic person is individual, but equally there must be some common traits to the way autistic people process the world (as listed above in the op!) or there would not be any common diagnostic criteria on which to base an autism diagnosis! As such, there are clearly likely to be commonalities in how these traits affect relationships with neurotypical people, hence the need for a specific support thread. My ddad is on the spectrum, and he's a good man. But i also see how hard some of his traits make it for my mum, specifically his rigidity and inability to offer the kind of emotional support my mum needs. It is in no way abuse, but why should she not have the right to discuss her difficulties with others in a similar position? My ddad is not abusive, and the behaviours she finds hard are not intentional, so the suggestion that she post on an abusive partners thread is both offensive and unhelpful.

Likewise the supposed impossibility of non-experts being able to make good guesses at diagnosis. Not always, but often, autistic traits are obvious to others. Greta Thunberg, for instance, i had guessed to be autistic before knowing that she has stated this publicly. Either autism has diagnostic criteria some of which can be intuited by someone with sensitivity to such things, or it doesnt - in which case, what mystical knowledge independent of diagnostic traits is being brought to bear?

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bananafingers · 04/04/2019 13:56

My son has an extensive level of support at school for his autism hitime, but that's partly because his condition is severe enough to need a independent residential special school, where he gets tiny class sizes and SALT and OT as standard, and partly because it became an obsession of mine to ensure he got the very best provision. We had to go to tribunal to secure his placement. I think it's harder for young people (both boys and girls) who are more mildly affected, and can't justify getting non-mainstream provision. I think all the masking that girls do makes it harder for them too. Although I sometimes have the ability to mask, sometimes I get overwhelmed and lash out in public, so this has meant that it's been impossible to hide my traits and so I've had more interventions than someone who has not felt so overwhelmed and been able to contain things. His school does have a mixed intake, but it's always skewed towards a larger male intake.

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GaudaofEda · 04/04/2019 14:33

Later he said he didn't really mean it, more that he was finding it hard to cope

It is hard at times when autistic people don’t have the right support [most of the time] their turmoil would affect other family members. Spouses and families need real advice and support for their own needs and MH. This is a huge unmet need that needs to be discussed and addressed. In absence of such support for families, MH of all family members deteriorates.

Autistic children pick up on the stress and anxiety in the family, which can aggravate their condition, feeding the cycle.
More research is needed on factors that tip ASC into a more challenging Pathological Demand Avoidance.

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GaudaofEda · 04/04/2019 14:48

am I allowed to admit that life with my dd is really hard, sometimes almost unbearable? Is that ok but not to say that sometimes life with my H is unbearable?

The real problem for families with members with disabilities, any mental disabilities, is the lack of support and access to MH services for both partners and the whole family. In absence of support, tensions escalate.

So honestly, the energy should be channelled into getting access to diagnosis, assessments, carer needs support and psychotherapy.
Channeling frustrations into degrading discourse about people one is supposed to love is unnecessary and solves nothing.

@IntentsandPorpoises, you admit you have bipolar. You realise that this has an impact on your dd and on your dh? It plays a role in the dynamic of your relationship, you are all carers for each-other. I can't begin to imagine how hard it is for your without proper support. I am sure you are doing a great job as a mum in difficult circumstances.
However vulnerable people with ASC and MH problems turning on each-other in frustration is not a solution.

Relationships are a free choice and you are absolutely entitled to make decisions about your life and future.

If your relationship is not working, you should leave. There are plenty of support on MN for relationship breakdown and divorce. There is no need to bring autism into it and run a thread full of degrading frustration and false generalisations.

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GaudaofEda · 04/04/2019 14:53

Colouringinpro - if you don’t believe we are all the same, if you are “compassionate” are keen to ensure your daughter doesn’t experience the stigma and prejudice that many of us here have to face, then why are you actively participating in a thread where the title alone (aide from the ableist comments) stigmatises autistic people? One that will discourage women and girls going for diagnosis.

And why are you not pulling up people on the threads for making such horrible generalisations about autistic people? This could be someone writing about being married to your daughter in the future.....

And I still don’t understand why you need a “special” thread and can’t just join a generic one for people in tough relationships?

It’s because it’s still deemed acceptable, both on this forum and in society in general, to discriminate against autistic people. We don’t have the same respects/rights as NT people.


This.

I will never understand how dehumanising and ableist frustration about the disability of the ex partner is accepted as advice and what exactly it supports.

And why on Earth people endorsed segregation and suppression of freedom of speech of people with a particular disability.

There is a lot of advice and support on SN board and the tone and content of the discourse is very respectful, protective and pertinent to the issues. Parents know instinctively how to strike the right tone when talking about their children's disability.

Yet, this is not happening when talking about adults. It's very easy to grow insensitive..

It could help to separate the frustrations of the relationship breakdown from stigmatising the disability of their partner, and all autistic people, including own children, for it.

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IntentsandPorpoises · 04/04/2019 15:26

If I write about my H on a general thread I am told he is emotionally abusive. If I then mention his autism, it changes. There is understanding that his behaviour is malicious.

My mh has very little impact on them as I am medicated and have been well for a long time. When I am unwell H does absolutely nothing to support me, he is definitely not caring for me. When I was admitted to a psychiatric mother and baby unit all H was concerned about was me knowing how stressful this was for him, how this was my fault for having a second child. My daughter is very similar, nothing is ever her fault and she is only ever focused on how she is feeling/impacted.

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Aspieteach · 04/04/2019 15:42

"When I am unwell H does absolutely nothing to support me, he is definitely not caring for me."

I don't think that's necessarily just due to the autism. I'm pretty sure that I've inherited my autism from my dad (he was undiagnosed and died recently so I'll never know for sure). My mum is bipolar (this has been diagnosed) and had years of horrendous mental health problems until she was finally given the medication that worked for her.

My dad was always extremely loving and supportive. She's said that when she's been in the depth of depression, her behaviour towards him was awful. But he was always caring towards her.

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GaudaofEda · 04/04/2019 16:16

When I am unwell H does absolutely nothing to support me, he is definitely not caring for me. When I was admitted to a psychiatric mother and baby unit all H was concerned about was me knowing how stressful this was for him, how this was my fault for having a second child. My daughter is very similar, nothing is ever her fault and she is only ever focused on how she is feeling/impacted.

This indeed sounds like an abusive dynamic, but it is not due autism, even if your H has it. Nothing of what your describe is inherent to ASC, and there is no need to blame autism for it. This is your H as an individual.

On the face value it sounds like Avoidant Dismissive Attachment style. There are plenty of other reasons and conditions that could be behind it. Narcissism and personality disorders could coexist or be misdiagnosed as autism.

Attachment type has much more impact on such type of behavior and coexist with ASC. Apparently attachment type, unlike autism, can be changed.

www.psychalive.org/anxious-avoidant-attachment/

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LightTripper · 04/04/2019 16:37

Interesting blog post and I went to the conference launching the book on Tuesday which was great (and the bits of the book I have read so far are excellent).

We seem to be really unusual in that my DD got a Dx aged 4 without any pushing by us (I didn't really recognise it/believe it as she is so like me, and I have a lovely life - although I can see that looking from the outside my life might look quite odd/unusual as I've structured it to suit my needs and the things I can handle and can't handle, and now I know DD is autistic I can see the traits and how this feeds into her anxiety over certain things).

I'm hoping that for DD having that self-awareness from a young age (and the fact she got a Dx before she was facing any real challenges/problems) will mean that she doesn't have to deal with most of the MH issues that plague a lot of young autistic people. It's sad that it still seems to be such a struggle for most girls (but actually many people generally) to get diagnosed, particularly if their presentation isn't traditional/stereotypical. It seems that often girls have to get to crisis point before they are assessed - and then ASC is often misdiagnosed as whatever that crisis manifests as (OCD, depression, eating disorder or whatever) rather than pinpointing the underlying difference that drives that reaction.

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NopeNi · 04/04/2019 16:41

Is it just me, or is it ironic that a thread about women being overlooked and ignored has been derailed into, "well, autistic men are horrible so fuck you autistic women and your requests" sort of discussion Grin

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AutisticHedgehog · 04/04/2019 16:41

Likewise the supposed impossibility of non-experts being able to make good guesses at diagnosis. Not always, but often, autistic traits are obvious to others. Greta Thunberg, for instance, i had guessed to be autistic before knowing that she has stated this publicly. Either autism has diagnostic criteria some of which can be intuited by someone with sensitivity to such things, or it doesnt - in which case, what mystical knowledge independent of diagnostic traits is being brought to bear?

frogsoup has helpfully (but unintentionally) demonstrated a huge problem that autistic people face - the fact that amateurs believe they have the capability to diagnose autism. That there is not a need for a professional to provide a diagnosis. I was one of these people when I was blissfully unaware of my own autism and I did not have a proper understanding (and now I understand my autism, but my autism only, I don’t have arrogance to suggest I can diagnose it in other people)

But this means that the public perception of autism remains uneducated as it’s the same sheldon-type personas that are believed to be representative of the autistic community as a whole: robotic, no empathy, aloof, superior. And for undiagnosed women and girls, this is not a stereotype to which they can relate (or even want to relate to - who wants to be described as cold and heartless - this is something that really, really hurts) so they don’t seek diagnosis

Diagnosis, albeit a late one, has been transformational for me. I wish I had known when I was younger - it would have helped tremendously and I maybe wouldn’t have the same MH problems that I do now.

I really, really hope that hugely influential websites like MN work with academics like Professor Happé, with autistic charities AND WITH AUTISTIC WOMEN to try to address this. The more understanding - on both “sides” - the better.

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frogsoup · 04/04/2019 16:44

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AutisticHedgehog · 04/04/2019 16:46

@NopeNi no - not just you! But I’m not surprised. I feel that don’t count as proper humans in their eyes.

But I hope the posters from the “support” thread who post on this thread will not get as much vitriol aimed at them as I got when I posted on theirs.

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DeloresJaneUmbridge · 04/04/2019 16:46

I could write reams about this,

I was finally offered an assessment last August aged 52 having struggled all my life.

My son was diagnosed 10 years ago.

At the time he was described as “a carbon copy of you as a child”.

The moment he was diagnosed was a lightbulb moment for me. I knew in that moment why I had always struggled.

Getting an assessment as an adult however took 10 years as I was fobbed off by GP after GP who didn’t think I could be autistic as I had achieved in life.

Finally my new GP who was young and enthusiastic listened....and referred me.

Following a five hour assessment I was told “autistic traits” which I accepted for all of three weeks. At that point I spoke with another woman who had just been assessed ...and her diagnosis was declined because she could make eye contact! Angry

At that point I lost all faith in the assessment I’d had.

Interestingly when the other woman challenged this they backtracked and she got her diagnosis.

I’ve left it and left it as I am so pissed off with it all.

Two weeks ago I saw a psychiatrist privately and had an assessment and Qb test for ADHD. The Qb test showed strongly that I had significant deficits in attention, movement and impulsiveness. That coupled with my history gave me a diagnosis.

I am now on the point of tackling the ASD one again.

So

It’s great to raise awareness but quite honestly even if you can get them as far as assessment it seems they won’t be diagnosed unless they fit the male focus of assessments.

I don’t collect things
I am able to speak in a more than monotone voice

I am female....I am different.

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GaudaofEda · 04/04/2019 16:57

Is it just me, or is it ironic that a thread about women being overlooked and ignored has been derailed into, "well, autistic men are horrible so fuck you autistic women and your requests" sort of discussion grin

That's why I feel it is important to call out discrimination of any minority, men and women, otherwise there are always more ways to divide.

The myth about lack of emotion is damaging to women as well.

I was surprised to read on Twitter that medics' indifference and misreading of the pain during birth is a frequent factor for autistic women, because they express their emotions differently.

autistrhi.com/2017/12/14/autism-labour-and-birth/

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AugustRose · 04/04/2019 17:08

What I find interesting is a friend whose son is autistic, with the more noticable signs and behaviour issues, also has another son. He is a couple of years older and she realised he also had some similar behaviours to her younger son. However, she struggled for a year to get him a diagnosis and was told that he masks his behaviours at school, acts out more at home and displays much more LIKE A FEMALE. Despite this, they were ready to send him away and say no, he isn't autistic. So if these same people know that females present differently, why are they dismissing so many girls.

This is why I know we will struggle with a diagnosis for DD, it's the same medical team.

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AGnu · 04/04/2019 17:23

Is it just me, or is it ironic that a thread about women being overlooked and ignored has been derailed into, "well, autistic men are horrible so fuck you autistic women and your requests" sort of discussion

I've been trying to figure out a nice way to say just this! This thread is supposed to be about women & how ASD manifests & yet somehow it's become about men! Confused

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NopeNi · 04/04/2019 17:28

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NopeNi · 04/04/2019 17:31

But on that note I'm stopping talking about men. You lot have your point of view and won't shift. Mumsnet have already supported you. So go away now and enjoy your threads insulting us.

Meanwhile, I DO want to see how we'll work to help more women find out why they are the way they are.

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FriarTuck · 04/04/2019 17:58

am I allowed to admit that life with my dd is really hard, sometimes almost unbearable? Is that ok but not to say that sometimes life with my H is unbearable?
Perhaps people who post how crap their autistic partners are should realise that there are autistic adults on here who find such comments deeply hurtful. And perhaps rather than slagging their autistic partners off they should be asking how they could help them so that both parties had an easier life. After all, if you had some sort of condition that made your life hard and thus impacted on your partner, wouldn't you prefer it if they tried to help you rather than slagging you off behind your back?
And they say we're the ones lacking empathy Angry

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