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Guest post: "I'd never raise my children as anything but vegan"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 15/08/2016 10:03

I have been vegan for almost nine years. My four-year-old daughter has eaten a plant-based diet since birth (yes, breast milk is vegan) and my second baby, due shortly, will be joining her. It was never something we questioned. We knew that children could grow up strong and healthy on a vegan diet, so why would we introduce foods we wouldn't eat ourselves? My grandma thinks it's a shame she's never tasted a pork sausage, but other than that our choice hasn't attracted much criticism.

Last week, however, an Italian politician proposed a law that would allow the state to prosecute parents who choose to raise their children vegan. The proposed law has come about after a number of high-profile cases of severe malnourishment as a result of parents imposing inadequate vegan diets, and has opened up a debate about whether it's ok to raise children on a vegan diet.

A vegan diet needn't be restrictive. While veganism means avoiding animal products - cheese, meat, gelatine, to name but a few - a rich and varied diet is easily achievable. My daughter eats fruits and vegetables, lentils, tofu, grains, beans and nuts, cereals fortified with vitamins and she also takes a daily multivitamin specially formulated for vegan children. However, she can also hold her own when it comes to chocolate, chips, ice cream and all the other junk foods four-year-olds love to eat. I don’t want her to miss out, so I plan ahead for birthday parties or nursery celebrations so she can have sweets and cake with the rest of the children. She might grow up and decide she doesn't want to be vegan any more, but I don't want that to be because she felt left out growing up.

The NHS says that a vegan diet is fine for babies and children as long as it includes all of the necessary vitamins and minerals. The vegan parents I know are clued up when it comes to nutrition. I think being vegan actually encourages parents to be more critical of their family's diet than they may otherwise be - and that can only be a good thing.

Perhaps, instead of looking to prosecute vegan parents, it would be better for Italy to introduce measures to educate all parents about the importance of a varied diet in childhood. Italy has one of the highest rates of childhood obesity in the world - it’s clear that there's a pervasive lack of understanding about nutrition. Rather than vilifying all vegan parents for the mistakes of a few, resources would be better used educating people about how to achieve a healthy diet - whether this includes animal products or not.

I went vegan after years of being vegetarian. I found out about the cruelty involved in the dairy industry and decided to take the next step to reduce animal suffering. For me, veganism has always been about animal exploitation. The health and environmental benefits of the lifestyle are a bonus, but they're not the reason I choose to be vegan. I am raising my daughter to consider the needs of other people and animals when making decisions. She may not always be vegan. She might grow up and decide she loves beef burgers. I have no idea what the future holds, just like other parents don't know if their children will grow up to embrace the family's love of the outdoors, jazz music or the Labour Party. All I can do is try to teach her compassion now and hope that it sticks. And if it doesn't? Well, she's my daughter and I will love her unconditionally, no matter what.

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Batteriesallgone · 20/08/2016 12:23

I confused what makes you think anyone who knows about raising animals for slaughter disapproves of intensive farming methods?

Do you think the US farms are run by robots?

CoteDAzur · 20/08/2016 12:25

"Various studies point to red meat causing cancers."

I think you will find that studies talk in terms of increased risk and not causing cancer.

Also, the cooking method changes a lot. Bits burnt during grilling/barbecue (which is the default method of cooking in the US) are obviously not good for cancer risks, but Mediterranean slow cooking with vegetables isn't, as can be seen from the healthy longevity in the region.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 20/08/2016 12:38

I confused what makes you think anyone who knows about raising animals for slaughter disapproves of intensive farming methods?

I didn't mean farmers, I meant the average meat eater doesn't like the idea of battery chickens etc. But that's just my experience!

CoteDAzur · 20/08/2016 12:56

Most people would not want to torture animals.

That is not the same thing as denying one's place in the food chain, though.

Veganmumm · 20/08/2016 22:04

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Breadandwine · 21/08/2016 01:53

We also have teeth designed for a meat eating diet, as it is a quick and efficient way to take in protein.

B12 is always mentioned on these threads, I get mine from marmite which last time looked is vegan. No need for supplements.

Out of interest how do vegans get their 18mg iron daily?

You're not going to get much from a bit of marmite thought are you?

Would also love your seitan recipe, I use a few different ones but don't feel I've found 'the one' yet smile

Breadandwine · 21/08/2016 02:12

Sorry, I didn't mean to post the above - I was cutting and pasting to answer a few points.

I'll be back! Smile

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/08/2016 04:46

Comparing gassing people in The Holocaust to an abattoir is in appalling bad taste.

If you don't think my ethics match my actions, that's fine. But I don't have an issue with animals being 'murdered' or however you wish to put it so I can eat them. I have an issue with torturing them. Killing them? No. Stuffing sows in tiny pens, battery chickens etc? Yes, I do my best not to support that.

Saying veganism cures Cancer is disingenuous. If it were true, no one would die of cancer. I understand you're passionate about your beliefs, but the comments about the Holocaust and cancer are at best, tactless.

Charlieismydarlin · 21/08/2016 07:38

vegan to be fair to you, I agree with many of your points about the industry. It's horrific. I actually feel the dairy industry is worst. I soothe my conscience by buying only organic butter etc from local suppliers but it is horrendous what dairy animals suffer.

I have tried to be vegan a number of times but it doesn't suit my body. I literally waste away and suffer terrible fatigue. I am naturally slim, very active and often anaemic when pregnant etc. Some people do not absorb minerals from vegetables as well as others.

I buy my meat as much as possible from my local farm or if not, sainsburys organic as there animal welfare standards are ok.

I couldn't raise my own kids as vegan as, personally, I feel a good proportion of people are like me. I take my hat off to you, to be honest, for having your principles.

LyndaNotLinda · 21/08/2016 09:06

And u know someone who ate a macrobiotic diet for years and still got cancer and died at 55. And I've just lost a dear friend at 48 who became vegan after getting cancer in her 30s.

It it downright dangerous to suggest that veganism cures cancer.

And despite eating meat, I'm perfectly capable of doing research

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/08/2016 09:45

I still cannot believed gassing Jewish people in the Holocaust was compared to slaughtering meat. FFS.

LyndaNotLinda · 21/08/2016 10:05

Somehow I missed that in the wall of text of that post on my phone. I've reported

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/08/2016 10:13

So did I. I'm sure MNHQ will delete, as the normal vegans on this thread/real life would be horrified by such a comparison too.

It's more that it disturbs me that anyone actually thinks that way.

Veganmumm · 21/08/2016 10:47

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Veganmumm · 21/08/2016 10:56

www.fishinaboxrecords.com/the-power-of-willful-ignorance-featuring-carol-hodge-kate-shortt/
Footage taken from Freerange British farms. Link to food marketing UK technics.

Natsku · 21/08/2016 10:59

You can't feed cats plant protein veganmumm. The link between processed meat and increased risks of cancer is completely different from your earlier claim that a vegan diet cures cancer. You can't cure cancer with fucking vegetables, don't be so ignorant and insulting to cancer sufferers.

Factory farming methods are indeed horrid but that doesn't mean all methods of farming and killing animals are horrid.

ginghamstarfish · 21/08/2016 11:02

While I admire those who restrict their diets due to their ethical beliefs, I am struggling to understand how the OP's breast milk is vegan .... it is being produced by a non-vegetable being, that is, a human (or as some people say an animal).

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TheSilverChair · 21/08/2016 11:40

How do vegans and vegetarians feel if their DCs choose to eat meat when they can choose for themselves? I work with teens and some veggies and vegans have started to eat meat outside the home around the age of 14 or so.

The ones who go veggie or vegan when their families aren't seem to stick to it more.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/08/2016 11:45

I have Jewish heritage you deranged cunt. My family WEREN'T COWS. They were PEOPLE who were murdered!

For each of your posts, I'm adding an extra meat meal to next weeks shopping.

So now I eat babies because I think one deranged woman shouldn't be starving her pets and comparing pigs/cows to people who were murdered...

Look at Contessa. A perfectly normal woman with different values to me who eats vegan. Who I said I'd like recipes off.

Curious to vegans in normal mental health: How do you compare yourself to someone like this woman? Do you just pity her, like I do? Or do you find her a detriment to your cause?

P.S. I drink rice milk, but DH and DC drink dairy

strewthy13 · 21/08/2016 11:52

Hi Veganmumm - we are all vegan in our house because of the people you are replying to.

Trolls love you - you're giving them just what they want.

Please my lovely, deep breath and walk away. You are a far better person.
People ask me if it's hard being vegan, I reply ''yes, because I have to share the world with people who aren't" - the diet is very easy!!!
Bless you, now get your blood pressure down - I understand you, I really do xxx

We're in this together xxx

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/08/2016 11:55

So I'M the troll for being upset that my family aren't considered as important as 'the holocaust against cows, my children are pitied because I'm evil and I ^eat children?!'

I fucking hope MNHQ don't defend that garbage. I have zero issue with people who eat vegan. In fact, I cook vegan meals.

But those comments are so beyond the pale I have no words.

TheSilverChair · 21/08/2016 11:56

Reported the vile anti-semitic posts, hope others have as well.