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Amnesty's proposal to legalise prostitution is wrong - we can't let men who exploit women off the hook

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 29/01/2014 19:31

An Amnesty International document leaked this week argues for the legalisation of prostitution. It says that approaches like the Swedish Model – which criminalise buying sex, but legalise selling it – are guilty of "devaluing" prostituted women and "criminalising the contexts in which they live". In essence, the proposals say that most women who become prostitutes make a rational, informed choice – effectively , that they enter into a relationship of equals with the men who purchase their bodies.

I’m really disappointed in Amnesty. I'm a long term supporter of the Swedish Model and, for me, the idea that we should simply accept prostitution as a fact of life is totally wrong. It is particularly irresponsible at a time when it's being reported that austerity is driving many women – and in particular single parents – into prostitution.

I believe Amnesty have got it wrong. Firstly, I don’t believe prostitution is, in most cases, "consensual sex between adults", as the policy document describes it. The idea that women who go into prostitution are exercising 'free choice' just doesn’t stack up. Abuse and lack of alternatives are almost always a factor - many enter the sex trade young, and come from backgrounds fraught with suffering and abuse. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but, all things being equal, I believe most women don’t 'choose', in the true sense, to become prostitutes.

Secondly, I disagree with the idea there can be any real equality between a woman who sells her body and a man who buys it. As Amnesty admits, the conditions of the sex trade are "imperfect" to say the least. British 'prostitute review' sites like 'Punternet' – as well as the male-led 'Hands off my whore' campaign in France – show what so-called clients think of the women they buy sex from.

A large proportion of prostitutes say they experience aggression while working, and nearly seven in ten suffer the symptoms of post-traumatic stress. The dynamic between buyers and sellers of sex ranges from the disrespectful to the downright abusive – but there’s almost always an inequality at play.

Of course, there'll always be some who say that prostitution is "the oldest trade" and that there's not much we can do about it. But this argument is as untrue as it’s depressing. In Sweden, for example, stopping the purchase of sex changes social attitudes, making men less likely to purchase sex and more likely to support prosecutions for others - and there’s no reason why this can’t happen in the UK. Amnesty need to aim much higher. We can do better, surely, than just make the exploitation of women better regulated.

The role of charities like Amnesty should be to lift standards up, not drive them down. Amnesty are supposed to be an ambitious organisation. They shouldn’t just shrug their shoulders and say "c’est la vie". Over the years they've done an indispensable job in ending exploitation, improving human rights, and reducing inequalities. Legalising prostitution runs counter to all these things. It has turned Germany into a "giant Teutonic brothel", as the Economist puts it - and, according to Equality Now, has "empowered pimps and traffickers" in Amsterdam.

Women at risk or in economic need require more opportunities and better protection – not to be told their only option is a demeaning last resort. For the sake of women and mothers everywhere I sincerely hope Amnesty will rethink their position.

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rhinoceer · 31/01/2014 22:11

www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp

Claim: Women in Germany face the loss of unemployment benefits if they decline to accept work in brothels.

Status: False.

Explanation on link.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 31/01/2014 22:14

That HIV commission report (that is always wheeled out by the pro-brigade) has been thoroughly debunked on other threads. The same old arguments by posters who just registered with MN to argue for men's legal right to pay to fuck women is just so tiresome.

rhinoceer · 31/01/2014 22:15

Are you telling us Sweden’s Alliance of Counties did not say that?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 31/01/2014 22:18

rhino I'll see if I can copy & paste it for you.

Most tiresome though.

Why don't you answer beachcomber's question in the meantime?

horsetowater · 31/01/2014 22:25

Thank you beachcomber that clearly illustrated my biggest fear.

Why don't people think these things through.

What will the Trustees of Amnesty International do when their daughters come home from the school careers day with a leaflet about an apprenticeship in the sex industry.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 31/01/2014 22:39

Rhino. Re: Sweden's Alliance of counties:

According to footnote 164 and 167 of your report, the source of that statement is the Bay Area Sex Workers Advocacy Network - a pro-prostitution group.

rhinoceer · 31/01/2014 22:39

horse Why are you worrying about something that doesn't actually happen?

rhinoceer · 31/01/2014 22:40

@Sab, and what am I to conclude by that? Do the Bay Area Sex Workers Advocacy Network tell lies?

rhinoceer · 31/01/2014 22:41

www.bayswan.org/

It's a non-profit organization for sex workers' rights.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 31/01/2014 22:46

Well, it's highly biased if it's a "sex worker's" advocate organisation.

The Swedish government tells a different story - and 80% of the Swedish population are still in favour of the Swedish model over a decade later.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 31/01/2014 22:49

Shall I repeat beach's question for you? It's an important one.

horsetowater · 31/01/2014 22:52

Rhinoceer are you a sex worker?

rhinoceer · 31/01/2014 22:58

You haven't gave any valid reason to discredit them.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 31/01/2014 23:05

Except that they have a pro-prostitution bias...?

As does Douglas Fox... who has clearly been heavily influential int he AI paper.

As grimble said - It is the equivalent of letting a columbian drug gang advise you on your policy to help drug dependants.

rhinoceer · 31/01/2014 23:10

Back to the document, are you telling us bayswan falsely claimed the Sweden’s Alliance of Counties said "resources for social work are scarce, as the money has been siphoned to policing."?

Or are you just going by zero evidence and wild assumptions?

Beachcomber · 31/01/2014 23:12

Why aren't you answering a simple straightforward question that has been asked by several posters rhinoceer?

is having sex for money a job like any other?

WhentheRed · 31/01/2014 23:15

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rhinoceer · 31/01/2014 23:16

The director of bayswan is Carol Leigh who has 20+ years experience as a sex worker. Her biography is linked below:

www.bayswan.org/Scarlot_Resume.html

rhinoceer · 31/01/2014 23:18

I mentioned the invisible men blog in another thread. Unless I see proof the content on that blog really has came from Punternet and isn't just made up I cannot comment on it.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 31/01/2014 23:22

Are you a punter, rhinoceer?

horsetowater · 31/01/2014 23:23

So what's your involvement in the sex industry Rhinoceer?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 31/01/2014 23:24

Do you believe that buying women for sex is a human right, or just a nice-to-have?

WhentheRed · 31/01/2014 23:25

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

rhinoceer · 31/01/2014 23:28

Why should the document I linked to above be discredited just because one of the sources came from a sex worker organization?

How do we know whoever made the invisible man blog hasn't just used his/her imagination and made up a load of stuff that sounds shocking then falsely claimed it was taken from Punternet?

horsetowater · 31/01/2014 23:34

If Rhinoceer is what I think he is he must be getting paid for it by the very lucrative sex industry. There could be worse ways to make money I suppose...