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TAMOXIFEN -the third thread ***

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MaryAnnSingleton · 26/02/2010 10:40

here we are- will put a link on the old thread.

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KurriKurri · 01/03/2010 19:34

RWU - she looks absolutely gorgeous so cute in her little party dress. And I love the look of concentration when she is opening her present

Cake looks really yummy too - you made a brilliant job of it.

Pennies · 01/03/2010 20:04

Lovely pics RWU - and an amazing cake!!!

wubblybubbly · 01/03/2010 20:47

Hello everyone

I'm a newbie on this thread, so don't really know anyone other than MaryAnn and KurriKurri who I've had the pleasure of chatting to on another thread.

I was diagnosed with inflammatory breast cancer last wednesday. I can't explain how totally gobsmacked I was, as everything I ever thought I knew about breast cancer is nothing at all like the symptoms I have.

So, the current situation stands like this. I've got two lumps, one 60mm and one 70mm, although they can't identify how much is cancer and how much is inflammation.
My CT scan results seem to show no spread beyond one lymph node that they biopsied A few tiny spots on the lungs, but nothing to indicate cancer, liver clear, bones clear.

There's something in my adrenal gland which they want to check out with MRI, but they say that the scans often throw up something in the adrenal gland and it's quite likely to be unrelated and something that I've always had, but needs to be checked out further to be sure.

They still want to do a full bone scan too, but I think this is just par for the course and no reason (at the minute) for concern.

Really my only concern now is they've booked me in for a mastectomy on 15/16 March. This is confusing me as everything I've read says chemo first, mastectomy later when it comes to IBC

From what my BCN has said, it seems this is based on some sort of clinical trial that uses the matter from the mastectomy to establish the best chemo combination to treat the cancer and that sounds great, but I'm concerned that the mastectomy first might involve a higher risk in order to establish this.

I realise a lot of the stuff I've been reading is from a year or two ago, so perhaps the thinking has changed since then?

My BCN is arranging a MRI, bone scan and a multi discipline meeting to decide which way to proceed and I should get back to see the consultant sometime around the 11th March.

I've voiced my concerns over going for the mastectomy first, before chemo and she has said that it's my treatment, I've got to be involved etc and so long as the oncologist agrees, I should be able to do chemo first, but I must realise that, if I do take that route, I might have to wait 6-8 weeks for chemo to start!

Sorry for the long post, probably not the best way to introduce myself but any advice would be hugely appreciated.

KurriKurri · 01/03/2010 21:11

Hello Wubbly, and welcome - although terribly sorry of course about your DX. Your thoughts must be everywhere at the moment you have had so much to take in, in such a very short space of time.

I don't know if I can be of very much help to you, as i don't know a great deal about IBC.

The only thing can think of to suggest is that you ask your BCN if the consultant could phone you to discuss your treatment, as you obviously need to feel fully informed before you decide which way to go. I took part in a clinical trial, and I had a trials nurse - is there one associated with your treatment? - this may be another source of information.

I don't know about the wait for chemo, your consultant will be able to get you started quicker than that I would think if he thinks its necessary.

When you go for your consultation -it helps if you write down everything you want to ask about and have clarified, also when you speak to people on the phone. It is very easy to forget things when you get to the hospital.

I appreciate your dilemma, cancer treatment so often seems to involve weighing up pros and cons, I hope someone will be along soon with rather less vague advice that will be of more use.

MaryAnnSingleton · 01/03/2010 22:20

hi wubbly -am glad you have found your way here,though of course I wish you hadn't had to.Got to dash but will check back tomorrow xx
fab cake RWU !! wow !

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sandripples · 02/03/2010 09:04

RWU - lovely photos - I'm wondering how the amazing flower actually works on the cake- does it open up automatically with candles already lit?? Looks very impressive any way- it must have been a beautiful day.

Wubbly - I'm so sorry about your diagnosis but I don't have any experience of IBC. It does sound as though you need a longer conversation with the surgeon to discuss all this - they cannot, of course, operate without your consent. And I am doubtful whether they'd make you wait so long for chemo if it were required. Can you get hold of your consultant's secretary's tel no. as she is a very good contact if you can nurture her.

KurriKurri · 02/03/2010 09:59

Very good wishes for today SR - will be thinking of you

reallywoundup · 02/03/2010 11:17

sr- i think this may work, tis the video of the candle flower working- dd's face is a picture

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Cakesandale · 02/03/2010 12:50

Wubblybubbly, hello and welcome. I am sorry but I know nothing about inflammatory breast cance so can only echo what others have said. Given that your BC nurse did not seem terribly helpful on this I would speak to the consultant's secretary and see if you can speak to the doctor. They are pretty brusque usually owing to tiome constraints but in my experience if they realise that you have concerns they usually put the pen down and give you all the time you need. Do try it.

Cakesandale · 02/03/2010 12:52

RWU

She looks absolutley gorgeous. And so does that amazing cake!

sandripples · 02/03/2010 16:51

RWU - the video link has not worked for me but I'll try again later. Meanwhile I will imagine your DD's face as even this picture in my head is lovely!

Got back from chemo at about 3.30. Treatment was at about 1 o'clock till 2. Nurse was v good about my veins, and promptly hit on a valave (AHA, so thats why it never worked at previous hospital - no-one explained this!! So she found another place where it worked fine and painlessly - big releief. She did say if veins painful after the treatment she'd think a line would be worth using next time. I felt she was at last someone taking my concerns completely seriously!

Towards the end a nice lady came and massaged my feet and legs.

Any still feel ok for now - buckets ready for any change of this status. [On guard, apprehensive, hoping for the best, have drunk litres of water emoticon]

KurriKurri · 02/03/2010 17:03

Glad it went OK Sandripples - take it easy tonight, - drink plenty, well done - one under your belt

Must dash - off out in a couple of mins.

MaryAnnSingleton · 02/03/2010 18:01

well done SR !!

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reallywoundup · 02/03/2010 18:05

bet it feels good to have got it out of the way SR! take it easy, the first is the worst, from now on you just have to count down the sessions!

Pennies · 02/03/2010 19:30

RWU - I couldn't get the link to work.

Wubblybubbly - welcome to the thread, and as others have said I'm so sorry you had to find us at all. But we're a cheery bunch and hopefully we can help you through this on our own little way. With regards to IBC, I'm not sure on treatment plans but from what I can tell there seems to be very little consistency of treatment as each treatment seems to be tailor made to the patient. If you feel that what they're suggesting doesn't make sense to you get them to re-explain it to you till it does, ask them to justify their reasons and keep at it until you're happy. This is your body; its easy to feel bedazzled by the surgeons and doctors but ultimately they can't do a thing without your say so so make sure you're happy with everything until they do it. FWIW I have IDC and have had surgery before chemo (and I know thousands of other women have the reverse) and for me it makes perfect sense because every single cell of cancer that they chop out of me is one less that can do more damage further down the line. Stay with us and let us know how you get on.

SR - well done you! Did you go all alone? Glad you managed to get a massage out of it too. As for emoticons, well I look at each one and I could put them all in a row several times over and they still wouldn't illustrate the range of emotions we're all going through right now.

KK - how is your dad doing? Better I hope.

Cakes - hope the workload isn't getting you down too much.

BB - not heard from you for a bit, I hope you're recovering well. Have you got a date for chemo yet?

MAS - did DH enjoy his cake? My birthday was on a Monday last year and it was crappy.

Haggisdoodle - squirrels are blighters, but DH still reacts with the excitement of a toddler each time he sees one. In fact I think I've got a couple in my attic at the moment (that or rats, arggh) which I'm less than happy about.

Port being fitted tomorrow. I think it's going to ache more than a bit. Achey port on one side and achey seroma on the other. Meh.

BTW though ladies, I wrote this without taking notes so either yay! for brilliance or apologies for misappropriation.

wubblybubbly · 02/03/2010 20:01

Thanks Pennies I've spoken to the BCN again today as they've confirmed my bone scan and MRI for next week and I'll be seeing the surgeon again on Thursday to go over the results.

I honestly don't know why they are talking about taking this route, but it's hurting my brain thinking about it all. I've decided to wait until Thursday and see what they've got to say. I'm going to prepare a list of questions to ask before hand so I'll get working on that over the next week.

I'm not sure if I'm getting to meet the oncologist, in fact there's so much I'm still not sure about it seems pointless to exercise my brain to this extent

I'll keep watching and reading and hopefully get to know you all a little more over the next few days.

haggisdoodle · 02/03/2010 21:26

RWU - amazing cake and gorgeous DD! You are a very talented lady!

SR - That's one down - hurray. It's the not knowing how you will react that's the worst (well it was for me) but you've had the first treatment now. Keep your spirits up - you can do it. I hope you have a good night.

Wubbly, hello and welcome. I haven't been on this thread for long but I have found everyone very welcoming and supportive - and most of all positive. Your head must be spinning with all the info you are getting just now. I hope you manage to get some answers from your onc on Thursday. Do you have someone who can go along with you? I was so freaked out when I was dx that I only heard about 10% of what the doctor/nurses said. Needed DH to be there to take in all the info and relay it to me later.

On a wee light note - squirrel update: red squirrel hasn't been seen this year at all. Council culled greys last year but 2 have crept back. One is very bright and entertaining and the other is, well how can I put it, sort of thick. He isn't very agile either - have seen him fall out of trees twice now and he still hasn't figured out how to get into the squirrel feeder. He does quite like the hedgehog box though . I know they are vermin but I love watching them - they really make me smile - I'm hoping the council don't find out that they are back....

Cakesandale · 03/03/2010 10:52

Hi haggis

Glad you are feeding the squirrels. I know they are little gits, but I kind of like them (not in the roof though Pennies, I'd agree )

A couple of years ago we had a young dog (she had to go, totally unmanageable. She is now tearing up half of Oxfordshire, but happy where she can do no harm) Anyway, she chased a squirrel into our kitchen, which dived behind a radiator and froze. For HOURS. Apparently they do this, it is a coping mechanism. The RSPCA man came to get him out - very hight tec method, a large hat pin with which he shoved it up the backside. It shot out of our house faster than greased lightening!

Wubbly try to relax until your appointment, but don't let them push you into anything!

SR WELL DONE for getting through the first one, hope you are still feeling OK - keep up the drinking and eating anything that helps!

Good luck with the port (and the seroma) Pennies.

ONwards and upwards to you all (while I just keep typing away....sigh)

Went to the docs yesterday, was worried about this bug I have which just keeps coming and going, coming and going. It is making my neck ache, and I was told to watch out for neck stuff that doesn't go away. Anyway, the GP cut through all the crap about the bug and asked why I was worried - he checked my neck and said I had got myself in a state, he couldn't find anything sinister in my neck. So now I just have to calm down, apparently (comatose emoticon). Still don't know why the bug won't go though, my neck is throbbing now

MaryAnnSingleton · 03/03/2010 11:58

oh Cakes,am sorry you've got yourself in a state about bug/neck - I think if something is pointed out to you (like noticing any pains or aches) then you immediately become ultra sensitive to lots of things you might've never given a thought to previously.
Some lovely,happy news to report - today my SIL (who 5 years ago was dx with large HER+ tumour and poor prognosis is now officially no longer a cancer patient...she is drinking champagne right now to celebrate

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Pennies · 03/03/2010 12:03

Oh Cakes. I'm sorry you neck giving hassle. FWIW we do tend to carry a lot of stress in our necks - I know my muscles tense up there a lot. If it is coming & going then I would see that as a positive thing though. Could you maybe book yourself a head, neck & shoulder massage to see if that helps?

Pennies · 03/03/2010 12:06

That's wonderful news MAS

reallywoundup · 03/03/2010 12:11

great news MAS! (i may be wrong but is your SIL a MN'er?? possibly barking up the wrong tree!)

MaryAnnSingleton · 03/03/2010 12:20

yes,she is !

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reallywoundup · 03/03/2010 12:26

i think she was the lovely lady who gave me some words of wisdom and a lot of support when i was first dx.

MaryAnnSingleton · 03/03/2010 12:31

was it lalaa ?

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