I am sat here wondering how people justify NOT giving vaccinations to their children when there are children in the world that are dying because they can't get them

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I am sat here wondering how people justify NOT giving vaccinations to their children when there are children in the world that are dying because they can't get them

Why do people in USA and Europe not realise how fortunate their children are to be given the opertunity to have vaccinations

And then they don't give them

There are children in the world dying cos they can't have them

I DO REALISE we are talking about different diseases

But it all seems wrong to me

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and also for the possible cause of immunising

sorry I meant 'and also the possiblity of the damage immunising could do'

The original poster has acknowleged that locket don't worry. It has moved on. The original posting came from emotional reaction to Live8.

MadDrFitzpatrick is a mumsent joke now- he's the insane GP who goes onto all these progrmammes saying how safe MMR is. He has an autistic son who regressed shortly after his MMR - alothough he says it was nothing to do with that. Thing about autism though is that there are many routes to it- maybe his son wasn't affected by MMR but it doesn;t mean that someone else's child wasn't.

Lots of shades of grey Xena.I do still wake up at times gripped wiith fear about having not immunised (its a strong message!), but then the thought of actually immunising ds2 or ds3 makes me shake (and I ended up in tears the other day hagin a panic in "a what if he is autistic" moment about ds3 the other day). I think all you can do is look at your own family history and decide the best route. That's why I like the book I mentioned earlier- its doesn';t tell you what to do - just spells out the pros and cons very clearly and also the safest ways to immunise if you do go ahead.

Anyway I must get to bed- too tired. Good luck with whatever decision. I have n problems with whatever decisions people make- as long as they don't criticise mine wiithout walking in my shoes for a bit.

used to be rabidly pro-vaccination. That may well have ruined my sons life (probably not because I would probably have had him done anyway even if I'd been more ambivalent)now I'm not rabidly pro or anti anything. There are too many variables.

night jimjams

Same here lockets. Preparing to go to batter for 4th time with ds4. Once more into the breech ...

jimjams,
Haven't read that one, although I have seen some other question marks about thimerosal, not enough at the decision time for me to worry about, but I'll check it out next time I'm in a medical library - what journal was it published in? I do think that the issue about a small number of suseptable children has never really been resolved one way or the other. I have a nephew with autism, and looking at the research around autism I don't think anyone yet knows why it happens, our understanding of the brain is so very incomplete.

molecular psychiatry

abstract

"The developing brain is uniquely susceptible to the neurotoxic hazard posed by mercurials. Host differences in maturation, metabolism, nutrition, sex, and autoimmunity influence outcomes. How population-based variability affects the safety of the ethylmercury-containing vaccine preservative, thimerosal, is unknown. Reported increases in the prevalence of autism, a highly heritable neuropsychiatric condition, are intensifying public focus on environmental exposures such as thimerosal. Immune profiles and family history in autism are frequently consistent with autoimmunity. We hypothesized that autoimmune propensity influences outcomes in mice following thimerosal challenges that mimic routine childhood immunizations. Autoimmune disease-sensitive SJL/J mice showed growth delay; reduced locomotion; exaggerated response to novelty; and densely packed, hyperchromic hippocampal neurons with altered glutamate receptors and transporters. Strains resistant to autoimmunity, C57BL/ 6J and BALB/cJ, were not susceptible. These findings implicate genetic influences and provide a model for investigating thimerosal-related neurotoxicity. "

basically if mice are genetically prone ot autoimmunity they don't do well with thimerosal-.A family history of autoimmunity is key to autism as well.

I don't think there's much point looking for "one trigger" for autism- there porbably isn't one. Also ime HFA/AS often appear to have a bit of a family history of odd uncles/ftahers etc whereas the more sever end of the specturm appears (again ime) to more often be related to normal development within the family but lots of autoimmunity.

although haviing said that when Walsh looked at people across the spectrum he found that 99. whatever % had problems with their metallothionein proteins (involved in heavy metal transport amongst other things). His research will be published soon I think.

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snap but then it's a relief to realise you can't becauuse the decision has gone.

Ds3 is fine I think. If he is autistic he's nothing like mr passibe ds1. He grabs everything. It's just I relaised that he should start pointing in the next 3 to 6 months and agghhh.

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There's only one thing he does that makes me think "hmmm" which is he kind of feels everything. However a sign for ds1 was that he wouldn't touch anything and still is very tactile defensive, so I figure I'd probably never be happy He's just starting to understand his name which is bang on time- so now I'm just point watching. Tell you what- there's no way I could do this again. It was bad enough with ds2 but we didn't realise the extent of ds1's problems when he was small, so now there's even more at stake.

I can fully understand why you are watching ds3 like a hawk, you'd be a strange person if you didn't. but as you already know nt kids can have lots of sensory issues as well. my ds is full of them! and yes, we must get together!

Autistic or now- ds3 is going to be the stroppy one- that's a definite. He had a fight with ds2 last week because he wanted ds2's train- really shouted at him. He's also trying to crawl. I am completely not used to this. Ds2 sat blob like until 11 months, ds1 blobbed until 13 months. Crawling at 6 months is not expected in our house!

So when are you visiting Devon then ??

tempting! but this years leave is taken up.
ironically my 'close to the edge' ds is far easier than my whirlwind, ott, neurotic dd! at least her tantrums are now over....at the age of 8! oh and she was an early crawler! early everything and a pita to go withit!!

I think ds1 is still the most difficult, but underneath the fury there's a really gentle sweetheart. ds2 is very sweet- Whereas ds3 is stroppy! Funny because by 13 months I was desperate for ds1 to crawl, now I'm horrified that ds3 is going to be crawling soon. I suppose its like talking. I used to be desperate for ds1 too talk (not anymmore- past that) whereas I would love ds2 to shut up sometimes- he doesn't stop.

DS1 has flipped this morning (dh has taken him out for a drive) I think he preferred us not being here (or perhaps his siblings not being here- mum said she thinks he enjoyed the peace and quiet). I have a pile of washing to do but I know if I turn the washing machine on he's going to flip - already has over one load. Gah -welcome home eh!