I am sat here wondering how people justify NOT giving vaccinations to their children when there are children in the world that are dying because they can't get them

[RTKangaMummy]

I am sat here wondering how people justify NOT giving vaccinations to their children when there are children in the world that are dying because they can't get them

Why do people in USA and Europe not realise how fortunate their children are to be given the opertunity to have vaccinations

And then they don't give them

There are children in the world dying cos they can't have them

I DO REALISE we are talking about different diseases

But it all seems wrong to me

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RTKM "It sounded better in my head when I heard it on the TV earlier "

enough said.

"And you had never seen a needle before you would refuse wouldn't you??? "

ARGHHH - even in the remotest part of Africa these people aren't that clueless - people travel between villages and towns (unless we're talking tribes that have yet to be discovered...) and talk to each other. Most families will have members that have moved to the large towns and cities to try and find work and they 'do' hear of these things - even if they can't read.

Even in the remostest parts of Africa - 'needles' aren't uncommon as traditional medicine (and traditional poisons!) have been used for centuries !

rtkm, i think you're digging yourself a hole a bit....

they are pretty much the same as you and me...

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Sorry if that came over offensive

I am going to leave this because the more I post the more muddled I am getting

It was started as an emotional post and went all wrong

socci, you're not going to convince anyone....

Some would say vaccinations ARE unnatural Easy. An artifical way of creating an immune response, by-passing the body's natural immune defences (skin, stomach, bowel, mouth, nose etc) and being introduced immediately into the boodstream.

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you're not going to convince anyone spider

HMB it's a myth that vaccinations have wiped out small pox. It ran its course, along with scarlet fever et al.

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Arrgg must stay out. Socci, while it is true that deaths in the west due to smallpox fell due to better hygine the same was not true in the developing world. vaccination did for it.

And on a lighthearted note, I once had a rather nice waltz with one of the WHO co-ordinators of the irradication programme in a conference in Leningrad. In a previous life, before dh and kids

But it was the vaccination that did it.

Also I've read that certain strains of smallpox have simply been renamed "monkey pox" or some other type of pox.

I don't know if that's true though. (The problem being that the propaganda on the anti side of the debate is every bit as entrenched as that on the pro side, so it's very difficult for the lay person to know who to believe.)

Spider, actually I'm one of those people, one reason MMR won't be going into ds (certainly not all at once).

But I was talking about the cultural views of the african communities in that post.

socci i know i know. i'm just trying desperately hard not to get massively embroiled in another vacs debate that ends up in a handbags at dawn moment...

i feel the same. if i could read of find out stuff that dispelled all the anti vacs reading i've done i'd be extremely relieved to go and ds done...

Yes scarlet fever is an interesting one. No vaccine for it, but you never hear of it nowadays. But apparantly there was a case in Britain in the last 5 years (can't remember the circumstances).

Arghhh! Not it isn;t true, just a consp[irasory theory. The who backs up the reaserch. Last person to get 'wild' smallpox was Mr Ali Maalik Moi from Somalia. he survived. But on in 10 people who got it didn't.

Now I am going

Oh my goodness I was never meaning they are stupid

Good grief

I am sorry if that is what it came out like that

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Just as another question.
Is there anyone who hasn't had their children vaccinated with the mmr, that would have felt more confident if Tony Blair had said whether Leo had been immunised.

Trevor Gunn and Viera Sneider and two people who tour around giving utterly convincing talks on 'The Vaccination Myth'. I defy anyone to attend one of these talks and come away convinced that vaccination is the only correct route.

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Scarlet fever is caused by a bacteria not a virus - streptococcus. I may be wrong but I think the reduction may be because of the use of penicillin for sore throats, a percentage of which will be due to strep. There is a concern that it may increase again as GPs are under pressure not to over prescribe antibiotics.

but xena the mmr debate is different though isn't it

otherwise everyone will get angry again

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