I am sat here wondering how people justify NOT giving vaccinations to their children when there are children in the world that are dying because they can't get them

[RTKangaMummy]

I am sat here wondering how people justify NOT giving vaccinations to their children when there are children in the world that are dying because they can't get them

Why do people in USA and Europe not realise how fortunate their children are to be given the opertunity to have vaccinations

And then they don't give them

There are children in the world dying cos they can't have them

I DO REALISE we are talking about different diseases

But it all seems wrong to me

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Sometimes the risks from having vaccinations are greater than the risks from not having them. Ds1 stopped breathing after being given the DTP imms. I would personally rather take the chance of him getting whooping cough than risk the same thing happening again.

Caligula I did not mean the MMR debate about Autism really

I was just having an emotional reaction to the concert

I now realise what a stupid thing I have done in asking on here

I typed it too quickley and should have stopped myself

I just think we in USA and Europe are so lucky with all of the medical resorces we have

And the children in africa or south america are dying cos they don't have access to the medicine

CT I thought DTP was diptheria tetnus anfd polio

but at your experience

caligula are you me???? you may as well be in terms of how accurately your post describes my position.

RTKM... all babies now have 5 in 1 vaccine.

at 2, 3 and 4 months

The P = pertussis (whooping cough). We were really lucky that ds1 was able to get the D&T (without the P) on the NHS just before the deadline last year. The stupid thing is that children like my ds1 can no longer have the tetanus jab separately as it is no longer available for children. You have to either have the lot or have nothing at all.

Thanks snafu

i realise i posted too quickley and didn't put it down correctly

This was not meant to be a MMR thread

or have a go at mnetters who all have valid reasons for their own desisions which ever way they go

oh I see I thought P = polio

but we had tetnus inject before we went away lasts for 10 years why can't they have a small dose of that

Thanks for explaining that Starlover it is such a long time ago that DS had them

he had to have a killed polio cos was in Neo-natal ward as a baby

All my 3 are vaccanated, mainly because I read about the pros and cons and decided that as my children had developed 'as the text book' the risks were higher not vacinating than they would be vacinating.
However my sister has 4 children and her second has not had his pre-school booster (the other 3 are fully vacinated) because since 18mts/2years he has had many difficulties, some that have been diasgnosed and some that haven't, so the discission not to give him the mmr again I fully support as it cons put him more at risk of it affects.

The pre-school booster is given to children to cover those who either didn't recieve their mmr or weren't fully protected by it, there is a simple blood test that can be performed (my nephew has had it) that can show if your child has got immunity to m,m or r and therefore show whether the pre~school booster is required, If your child lacks immunity to say just one of these (as my nephew is) you can pay for the single jab just for the ones that they lack immunity for.

Like Caligula, I read extensively on this debate, which is very polarised.
Info from organisations like The Informed Parent, What Doctor's Don't Tell You and JABS persuaded me against exposing my children to any vaccinations.

We will all do what we believe to be the absolute best for our children....But believe me it's hard swimming against the tide on this issue.

Kanga,

in much the same vein,

How can people not use protection when they have sex, knowing that in Africa soooo many people have contracted AIDS because they don't know the risks?

It's the same argument really, but about grown-ups, not children.

4 what it's worth, I chose not to vaccinate ds yet (he's nearly 6), because he has a half-brother who is autistic (so possible genetic predisposition, and because I believe that the risk of contracting measles to a well-nourished, otherwise healthy child are minimal. I am constantly reviewing my position on this decision.

Children in africa die of measles (and lesser diseases) because they are malnourished, drinking dirty water, and otherwise weak.

Good discussion point tho'

hi spidermama!

It is kind of informed ignorance

ie we know you can get AIDS from not using condoms but we still don't use them

they have not been educated and so don't know and so therefore spread it further.

I did see that they were teaching them songs to help spread the word on AIDS

Our minds meet again soph.

Haven't read the thread - but I'll say I'm "pro-jabs" here

BUT (and it's a BIG but)I acknowledge that there are people who choose not to vaccinate because of the risks to their children because of other things - such as autism in older siblings (parents/family) or other medical history which can be adversely affected by the vacs.

Message withdrawn

oh - and did you know that some people in Africa 'choose' not to have their children vaccinated even when they are available

QoQ, lots of problems of cultural traditions versus modern education.

people believe that the vaccinations are un-natural

But is that because it is something "alien" to them

ie something that hasn't happened to their family etc.

I mean if someone came up to you and said I am going to stick a needle in your child it will make them cry but it is a good thing

And you had never seen a needle before you would refuse wouldn't you???

I mean if someone said to someone in this country that they should feed their child something that african children eat say like a "widgety grub" still alive you would say no wouldn't you???

ermm no Easy I'm talking about educated people, with decent jobs, houses, electricity and running water.

And even if we're talking about the poor uneducated - in my 2 1/2yrs in Zimbabwe I never heard ANYONE say that they didn't vaccinate because their family didn't, or because it was 'alien' to them.

Vaccinations (in various guises) have been around in Africa for a long time (DH was vaccinated as a baby against various 'nasty' things such as polio - he's now 30) so they're not really "Alien"

I did say that I wasn't going to get involved. One thing. Vaccination has wiped out smallpox.

there are right and wrongs on both sides of this argument and it winds people up no end.

there, now I will go away