Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

General health

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

Fag Free Zone - Come and Join!

372 replies

mummylonglegs · 16/05/2005 22:24

Message deleted

OP posts:
mummylonglegs · 18/05/2005 19:12

Message deleted

OP posts:
MoggyMummy · 18/05/2005 19:55

MLL

To be honet with you the only way I ave managed to do this is by going to bed at 8:30 every night! just to not have to be awake and pining for fags. It gets easier today was much better for instance. However the urge to replace fags with chocolates and Maom sweets is getting worse . Try to get through today and keep syaing to yourself - I CAN do it

charliecat · 18/05/2005 20:10

I think this misery is all part of the addiction thing, theres a part of your brain that was/is very needy and dependant on this drug and it twists your thinking into want/need/must have for a few days hoping that you will give in to the relentless torture and feed your addiction.
(Which lets face it I think we all have at some point or other, some only a few times, me personally THOUSANDS.)
I PROMISE YOU that does go. It really does. I am due on in the next couple of days and I have the inner rage from hell that makes my brain want to smoke but its a nag in my brain that is about 25 feet away, not that constant torture you are going through. And that one 25 foot away nag has happened 3 mins ago at 8pm this evening, the rest of my day...indeed quite stressful, I havent had a crave/thought anything..(other than wishing my mum wasnt an addict)
Go with this.....this is the quit that lasts. If you have a fag now it only means you would then have to endure this torture again some time in the future.

dropinthe · 18/05/2005 21:16

Nice to see some new names on here-keep going girls-try the lozenges MMl but I would suggest getting the original Niquitinell ones rather than the spearmint as it feels like you have got a mint in your mouth all the time. With the original ones you can sip on your beers quite nicely without ruining the flavour-as I do most nights with red wine or in the day time with tea!
Whymuumy where are you? I know you keep reading fag free or not-are you ok?
MML-Waterloo isnt that far-odd place to live though-may I ask why?

MoggyMummy · 18/05/2005 21:22

MLL - I have a copy of Alan Carr's book - would you like to borrow it. I read that book before I quit and it did really help.

mummylonglegs · 18/05/2005 21:52

Message deleted

OP posts:
mummylonglegs · 18/05/2005 21:55

Message deleted

OP posts:
dropinthe · 18/05/2005 22:00

Ive worked in a famous bank at London Bridge,Waterloo and Borough Road-its where Dh and I used to have out furtive meets when we were both 18 and in love!!! So know V well!
PLEASE buy yourself 36 lozenges at 4mg JUST for when you get the urge-4000 less chemical less than a fag and I promise they will give you that TREAT feeling!

TwoAngels · 18/05/2005 22:02

MLL hows u now? have u taken moggys advice and gone sleeps????

I truely hope u feel a wee bit calmer in the morn. Hun if I could I would take it all away for u and anyone else suffering this bad. I feel a wee bit guilty that i'm coping ok but I tell u now there is not a chance in hell I would still be a non smoker on day three if I wasn't using aids.... u are so strong MLL and u KNOW u can do it!!!

Please keep going for u and ur DD

TwoAngels · 18/05/2005 22:07

dropinthe ya wee star u! thats what I have been telling myself reference using gum less 4000 chems.... was feeling a bit like i'm cheating and feeling guilty especally when reading whyquit but there advice is fab mind...... thanks for justifying me using it teh he it's what I needed

mummylonglegs · 18/05/2005 22:10

Message deleted

OP posts:
dropinthe · 18/05/2005 22:10

Good-you will be told that you should go cold turkey but that only works for some people-I have been 2 1/2 months now and although get a bit panicky if have run out of lozenges I still feel great for not having any fags! Do it the way YOU feel best-you are doing great honey and are getting over the hardest part-stay positive-I cant remember if you have kids but whatever the reason, you HAVE to stop NOW!!!

dropinthe · 18/05/2005 22:15

Ok-2 ds-one 1 and a half the other 3 and half-just mentioned when I stopped-bought a flat in Plumstead about 8 years ago although before that lived in Sidcup with mother-worked for said Bank all over South London region for 16 years-met dh through Bank-used to meet him in the pub The Stage Door behind the Old Vic as he worked in Waterloo,me in Borough-he had a long term girlfriend-I was just a wild girl-stayed friends with him for over ten years before finally getting together with him when I left Bank to do something else-got married in 2000(on the glorious 12th which by the way is supposed to be the hottest day of this year don't you know!)-the rest is hisory!!!

charliecat · 18/05/2005 22:18

MLL...I would definetly recommend no lozengers/patches whatever,macwoozys post seems to have been missed, shes saying she stopped smoking January 2004 and is still on the gum...
....Nightmare...dont know what to suggest other than maybe trying to fool your brain into thinking its getting a nicotine dose with minty chewing gum every 2nd time. And on a strong morning going cold turkey.
MLL really, the madness will leave and you will be ok.
You will be incredibly chuffed withyourself too! Dont let your brain forget how much effort this has taken. Let this be the reminder of what you never want to experience again.

TwoAngels · 18/05/2005 22:18

MLL god this is hard I don't know what to say really as I'm only on the same day as u hun but does anyone else know if after 14 day is when it gets alot better???

I know even thinking about waiting that long is making my stomach turn in fear but I truely hope it's true especially for u MLL.

mummylonglegs · 18/05/2005 22:20

Message deleted

OP posts:
dropinthe · 18/05/2005 22:20

CC-not everyone who has used NRT gets hooked though-am only suggesting that if MML is going to sneak in the odd fag and try to justify it then it would be better that it were a lozenge instead.

charliecat · 18/05/2005 22:21

Thoughts that seem worse than urges experienced the first few days

----------------

The urges that happen weeks or months after initial quitting can catch you much more off guard than the urges encountered during the first few days. When you had an urge at 10:00 am the day you quit smoking, it was no big deal. You likely had one at 9:55 am just before it. In fact, the first few days if you went to long without an urge you would have felt something was wrong. Although, some people just have one urge that first day. It hits them when they wake up, goes away when they go to sleep, at which point they dream about smoking all night. In essence, it was chronic.

When you start to get more time under your belt not smoking, the triggers become more sporadic. At first separated by minutes, then hours, eventually days and weeks. But they still happen. When they occur after a long period of time they catch you much more off guard.

Also, in the beginning, when your guard is up and urges are frequent, you are constantly talking yourself through them. You are then basically reinforcing your resolve over and over again all day long. When you stop having chronic urges, you naturally stop reinforcing your resolve throughout the day. Then when the trigger hits, not having talked yourself through it very recently, you sometimes have a harder time mustering up the initial motivation for quitting and ammunition for staying off.

One other factor happens with time making urges feel stronger. You start to forget smoking but still remember the "good" cigarettes. You forget the ones you smoked automatically, paying no real attention to even as you smoked them. You forget the nasty one you despised as you smoked them. You forget all the associated annoyances that went with being a smoker. Then you start to remember the best cigarette you ever had in your life. If you focus on this cigarette without recalling all the others and the problems that went with the others, it is hard to not want it.

But that "one" cigarette concept is a fantasy. Not smoking will never be as good as that fantasy, but smoking will not be like that fantasy either. Smoking is what it was at the end, the day you quit?not what it was like early on when it initially hooked you. At the end, smoking was annoying enough to make you want to quit, even though you were going through a horrid withdrawal and psychological readjustment process to do it. You then understood that smoking was making life complicated, ruining your health and basically slowly killing you. Well, cigarettes haven?t changed. Just your memories of them have.

Remember cigarettes as they really were, not how you wished they were. Then when the urge is triggered, you will have the ammunition to squelch it. You will recognize that you were just having a bad moment, when you were quitting you were having "bad days." When you were smoking you were a slave to a product that was killing you. You fought long and hard to overcome that control and you never want to relinquish your freedom of choice over such a deadly product again. To keep the control, remember, when the urge is triggered?never take another puff!

charliecat · 18/05/2005 22:23

Oh god yeah...better replacement than actual fag....but coming so far...I used lozengers/patches etc. This longest quit...nearly 6 months was hypnosis/willpower/no replacement.

dropinthe · 18/05/2005 22:24

Oh yes,it got better and better! I would only smoke about 7 a day but if was out or when I was younger could get through packs like they were sweeties! I LOVED smoking but the motivation for me, I think you know from what I have said to you before,was my sons-I has an awful feeling that I was going to die from it-also my half sister is dying from lung cancer,my MIL has got emphasema and smoking-associated chest problems which are killing her slowly and I have other people I know who are young and have lung cancer too-plain and sinple with no thrills-it KILLS!

mummylonglegs · 18/05/2005 22:24

Message deleted

OP posts:
charliecat · 18/05/2005 22:27

For the benefits of newbies wondering if they will ever stop wanting a cigarette, I thought I would elaborate on the concept of "urges" that happen weeks, months or even years into a quit. When we say that the urge hits after any significant time period after being smoke free, it is a desire or a thought for a cigarette that is different than the physical "urge" experienced during initial withdrawal. Those urges are physiological craves, the body demanding nicotine to alleviate a drug withdrawal state.
The thoughts that happed down the road are triggers of fond memories. The thought is often that it seems like a good idea now to smoke a cigarette. Kind of like the urge you get to clean your house on a slow day. Seems like a good idea for a few seconds, but if you find something better to do, so be it. The same concept holds true for the thought of a cigarette.

Other times there will be thoughts of "I used to smoke when I did this." Not a desire for a cigarette or smoking, but a feeling that your timing or ritual is off. Sometimes there may even be a feeling that you are supposed to be doing "something" right now, but do not even realize what it is. All of a sudden you realize you used to smoke at this particular juncture of time or a specific new situation. Again, it is not that you want or need a cigarette in these two cases, just that the routine was a little off.

Years into a quit though, most days ex-smokers will go days, weeks and maybe even months without a thought. Even days which they call "bad" with desires, they may be going 23 hours and 59 minutes and 50 seconds without a thought, but because they think of it once, they think that was a lot. It really does get easier and easier.

The alternative side, smoking, is constantly riddled with thought of quitting. Whenever you are going to a doctor, a non-smoking friends or family home where you want to visit but cannot smoke, getting a new symptoms or aggravated by a chronic problem, read a news headline or hear a news report on television or radio on a new danger from smoking, have to pay another price increase for cigarettes, find another friend who has quit while you do not, stand outside in blizzards or heat waves or torrential downpour for the luxury of getting a quick fix or experience some horrible withdrawal because you can't escape for a cigarette or heaven forbid, you run out of cigarettes.

Yes there were plenty of times smoking made your life totally unmanageable. Not to mention the times that may come where a diagnosis of a horrible condition that require extraordinary measures to save your life that in themselves are almost as terrifying and painful as the disease itself. That unpleasant scenario still provides a chance of survival. There are frequently the cases where the first real symptom of a smoking induced illness is sudden death. Then you don't even have a chance to save your life.

As an ex-smoker, there may be times you want a cigarette. As a smoker, there will be times you want to quit. Neither side is perfect, but the ex-smoker side has clear advantages. It will get easier and easier over time getting to the point of smoking becoming a thing of the past. The smoking side leads to a much more ominous road.

Keep focused, whether it is hours into a quit or decades into a quit. It was a good decision to quit, maybe the most important decision you have made in your life as far as quality and length of your life goes. To keep the decision alive and continue to reap the benefit, always remember, Never Take Another Puff!

Posts crossed.

dropinthe · 18/05/2005 22:27

MML-Did you used to play on the pool table in there and did they have those comfy leather sofas-OMG-you are in my world!!!

mummylonglegs · 18/05/2005 22:32

Message deleted

OP posts:
charliecat · 18/05/2005 22:34

Oh yes!

Swipe left for the next trending thread