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Fag Free for 2005....Join us..We are doing GREAT!!!!!!!!!

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charliecat · 19/02/2005 21:57

Hello girls....

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fee77 · 01/03/2005 21:07

Where is everybody?? I hope you're not fagging it!

charliecat · 01/03/2005 21:58

im not ive just read some of this...
Caring for Our Recovery

byJohn R. Polito
Nicotine Cessation Counselor
The recovered alcoholic, the heroin addict, the nicotine addict, deep down each knows the "Law of Addiction." They?ve heard it over and over again. Just one sip, one tiny fix, or one little puff of nicotine, just once, that's all it takes and the addict is back! They know that either immediately or in a short period of time they'll once again be slaves to their old level of drug use or greater. We know the Law of Addiction so why do we break it?

There are three primary factors associated with relapse: (1) rewriting the law of addiction; (2) an excuse; and (3) a vague memory. It doesn?t matter if it happens within two hours, two days, two weeks, two months, two years, or twenty, the factors remain the same and apply to all of us. Rewriting the law of addiction is easy and you don?t need a pencil, paper or computer to do it.

Amending the Law of Addition

?Just one puff? and then ?do not pass go, do not collect $200, but go directly to the addict?s prison and surrender your freedom for good.? It isn?t that the recovering nicotine addict doesn?t know or believe the law of addiction because we do. It?s just that we begin to believe that we?re the exception. We convince ourselves that we?re stronger and smarter than those who discovered the law, and wiser than all addicts who came before us. We amend the law. We put ourselves above it. ?Just one, it?ll be ok, I can handle it, I'm stronger than the others, a little reward, it's been a while, I?ve earned it.?

I?m sorry. As soon as such thoughts begin infecting the mind they tend to start feeding on themselves and in all likelihood your body's period of healing and freedom is over. Your dreams and hard work are all being thrown into a dirty toilet that one puff of nicotine is about to flush.

Instead of saying that you can handle? just one ,? a truthful statement would have been ?I can handle them all, give them all back to me, my entire addiction, all the ashtrays, the coughs, the stink, the endless stream of 4,000 plus deadly chemicals that come with each puff (including 43 known cancer causing agents), the constant gradual destruction of every cell in my lungs and the gradual clogging and hardening of every blood vessel in my body, the 50/50 chance of killing myself at least 14 years early, all the money it will cost me to stay enslaved for years and years to come (together with massive future price increases designed to get me to quit), the growing social pressures that will make me feel even more like an outcast, I want it all back, all of it!?

It?s far easier for the junkie mind to create a one puff or one cigarette exception to the ?law? than admit the truth. A one pack a day addiction is 7,300 cigarettes a year. Don?t picture smoking just one. Instead, picture yourself sticking at least a year's supply into your mouth all at once. Try fitting them all into your mouth because in truth that's exactly where they'll be going, year after year after year. ?To thine own self be true.? You deserve the truth - you paid the price - you earned it.

The Perfect Excuse

The excuse can be anything. Usually the addict waits for that great excuse to come along, but some get tired of waiting and any old excuse will do. Even joy! A reunion with an old smoking buddy, a few drinks with friends, a wedding, a graduation, or even a baby?s birth and a free nicotine laden cigar, or trying a harmless looking new nicotine delivery device like the 27 flavors of suckers, the straw, lozenges, candy or even nicotine water or soda, why not! But joyful or even stupid nicotine relapse is harder to explain to yourself and to those you love.

The smart nicotine addict waits for the great excuse, the one that we know we can sell to ourselves and others. As sick as it may sound, the easiest to sell and the best of all is the death of a loved one. Although everyone we love is destined to die and it will happen sooner or later, for the reformed addict it?s the perfect excuse for relapse. I mean, who can blame us for ingesting highly addictive drugs into our bodies upon our mother?s death. Anyone who does would have to be extremely insensitive or totally heartless! Right? Losing a job, the end of a relationship, serious illness, disease or financial problems are all great excuses too - it?s drug time again! The addict is back!

Lost Memories

But an excuse doesn?t work alone. It needs help. Failing memories of ?why? we were willing to put ourselves through the anxieties and emotion of physical withdrawal, and weeks and weeks of psychological adjustment in order to break free, breathe fatal life into any excuse. Most of us failed to keep a detailed record of why we commenced recovery or what it was like. Instead, we are forced to rely upon our memory to accurately and vividly preserve the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But now, the memory in which we placed all our trust has failed us.

It isn?t that your memory is bad, faulty or doing anything wrong. In fact, it?s working as it should to preserve in as much detail as possible the joyful events of life, while forgetting, as quickly as possible, all the pain and anguish that we?ve felt, including our disdain for the addict's life we lived. To have our brains do otherwise would make life inside our minds unbearable. If women were forced to remember the true agony and intense pain of childbirth, most would have just one. We are each blessed with the gift to forget.

So how does the reformed nicotine addict who failed to keep accurate records of their journey revive their passion for freedom and recall liberty's price? If we forget the past, are we destined to repeat it? Not necessarily. It doesn?t have to be. But just as any loving relationship needs nourishment to flourish, we can never take our recovery for granted or the flame will eventually die and the fire will go out. We have to want to protect this glory until the day we die. We have to turn that "want" into action. If we do, we win. If not, our fate may be up in the air with serious risk of relapse followed by crippling disease or even a very early grave.

Whether it?s daily, weekly or monthly, our recovery needs care. If you don?t have a detailed log to regularly review when faced with adversity, upon each anniversary of your quit or at each birthday, do your best to create one now. Talk to those still smoking and ask for help in revitalizing your memories. Encourage them to be as truthful as possible. Although they may look like they?re enjoying their addiction to smoking nicotine, the primary joy they get is in keeping their body?s blood serum nicotine level within the comfort zone, so as to avoid the onset of the anxieties and craves of early withdrawal. Show them your pen and paper and invite them to help you create your list. You may even cause a spark in them. Be kind and sincere. It wasn't long ago that those were our shoes.

Also, try envisioning the first week. What was it like? Can you still feel the powerful craves as your body begged and cried to be fed? Can you still feel the pain? Do you see yourself not being able to concentrate, having difficulty sleeping, feeling depressed, angry, irritable, frustrated, restless, with tremendous anxiety, a foggy mind, sweating palms, rapidly cycling emotions, irrational thinking, emotional outbursts or even the shakes? Do you remember these things? Do you remember the price you paid for freedom? Do you remember why you were willing to pay it?

If you have access to a computer, you won't need a smoker?s help or even to recall the early days of your own journey. You can go on-line to scores of smoking cessation support groups and find thousands of battles being fought, hear tons of cries and watch hundreds struggling for survival as they cling to the promise of the rich sense of inner calmness, quiet and comfort that lies beyond. Visit as often as possible. Make a few posts to those in need. The most important thing you can tell them is the truth about why you are there. Tell them how comfortable and complacent you've become. It's what they yearn to hear! Many smoked their entire adult life and have a difficult time believing that withdrawal isn't permanent. Fear of the unknown is frightening. Help them and in doing so help yourself.

If you find yourself attempting to rewrite the law of addiction, stop, think, remember, read, revisit, revive and give to others, but most important, be honest with you. Terrible and emotional events will happen in each of our lives - such is life. Adding full-blown nicotine relapse to any situation won?t fix, correct or undo your underlying concern. In your mind, plan for disaster today. How will you cope and keep your healing alive should the person you love most in this world suddenly die? What will you do?

Remember, we've only traded places with our chemical dependency and the key to the cell is one puff of nicotine. As long as we stay on this side of the bars, we are the jailors and our dependency the prisoner. We only have two choices. We can complete this temporary period of adjustment and enjoy comfortable probation for life or we can smoke nicotine, relapse, and intentionally inflict cruel and unusual punishment upon these innocent bodies for the remainder of their life, together with inviting a 50/50 chance that you'll be putting yourself to death. If the first choice sounds better - comfortable lifetime probation - then we each need only follow one simple rule - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!

Breathe deep, hug hard, live long!

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charliecat · 01/03/2005 21:59

Thoughts that seem worse than urges experienced the first few days

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The urges that happen weeks or months after initial quitting can catch you much more off guard than the urges encountered during the first few days. When you had an urge at 10:00 am the day you quit smoking, it was no big deal. You likely had one at 9:55 am just before it. In fact, the first few days if you went to long without an urge you would have felt something was wrong. Although, some people just have one urge that first day. It hits them when they wake up, goes away when they go to sleep, at which point they dream about smoking all night. In essence, it was chronic.

When you start to get more time under your belt not smoking, the triggers become more sporadic. At first separated by minutes, then hours, eventually days and weeks. But they still happen. When they occur after a long period of time they catch you much more off guard.

Also, in the beginning, when your guard is up and urges are frequent, you are constantly talking yourself through them. You are then basically reinforcing your resolve over and over again all day long. When you stop having chronic urges, you naturally stop reinforcing your resolve throughout the day. Then when the trigger hits, not having talked yourself through it very recently, you sometimes have a harder time mustering up the initial motivation for quitting and ammunition for staying off.

One other factor happens with time making urges feel stronger. You start to forget smoking but still remember the "good" cigarettes. You forget the ones you smoked automatically, paying no real attention to even as you smoked them. You forget the nasty one you despised as you smoked them. You forget all the associated annoyances that went with being a smoker. Then you start to remember the best cigarette you ever had in your life. If you focus on this cigarette without recalling all the others and the problems that went with the others, it is hard to not want it.

But that "one" cigarette concept is a fantasy. Not smoking will never be as good as that fantasy, but smoking will not be like that fantasy either. Smoking is what it was at the end, the day you quit?not what it was like early on when it initially hooked you. At the end, smoking was annoying enough to make you want to quit, even though you were going through a horrid withdrawal and psychological readjustment process to do it. You then understood that smoking was making life complicated, ruining your health and basically slowly killing you. Well, cigarettes haven?t changed. Just your memories of them have.

Remember cigarettes as they really were, not how you wished they were. Then when the urge is triggered, you will have the ammunition to squelch it. You will recognize that you were just having a bad moment, when you were quitting you were having "bad days." When you were smoking you were a slave to a product that was killing you. You fought long and hard to overcome that control and you never want to relinquish your freedom of choice over such a deadly product again. To keep the control, remember, when the urge is triggered?never take another puff!

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fionagib · 01/03/2005 22:10

you're a wonder cc.
yes fee I need to get the lozzies down,will try in, um, a week or so! (am sure am addicted but still feel it's better than fags)

my dh having yet another go at quitting and has stormed off to bed in foul temper. Think I need beer!!!

minkmama · 01/03/2005 22:23

is he going to try the lozenges fg? hope you're having your beer, am giggling (sorry) at the thought of him storming off when you've come this far yourself - men!!

cc, that last one was great, that's really my problem! it's quite hard to keep the momentum going isn't it? i think that's why being here talking to you guys is so helpful!

ate far too much dinner and am def putting on weight...there's more of my body outside my trousers than inside LOL

night night ladies, hope you all had a good day!

charliecat · 02/03/2005 10:13

I?m sorry. As soon as such thoughts begin infecting the mind they tend to start feeding on themselves and in all likelihood your body's period of healing and freedom is over. Your dreams and hard work are all being thrown into a dirty toilet that one puff of nicotine is about to flush...
.... I liked that bit best, as it doesnt matter if your on patches/lozengers/cold turketing it...whatever...I have found that the minute you start to toy with the idea of having JUST ONE and actually contemplating it( not just feeling it and arguing with it) it all goes tits up and you find yourself smoking again.

WELL DONE MINK for finding the strenght to come back! Well Done!!!
Its another lesson learnt isnt it?
Ive used every excuse in the book now and cant think of a possible reason to justify a fag!!!!

We ARE DOING WELL on this thread arent we? No fah ash lils this month

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whymummy · 02/03/2005 21:14

hi everyone
hope you're all doing great,i've stopped using lozenges and gum,not too hard,still eating for england though
cc have you started packing yet?

charliecat · 03/03/2005 08:53

No packing yet whymummy, the dude is coming round today to see what nick this house is in(not good but a sight lot better than it was when we moved in 6 years ago) and then i go to see the other house on monday. Thats if they want this one back. Thinking that the other house is A LOT smaller and umming and ahhing...this house, shitty upsidedown and no storage spacewise is big in comparison. apparently i have to make up my mind there and then on the monday...oh god. Trying not to stress.
Dp is having a fag a day by the sound of things...If i mention it he bites my head off, i asked him if it didnt "set him off" for the rest of the day and he screwed up his face and said it didnt.
As an X nicotine addict id say it would make the rest of the day hell but what do I know.
All i can say is at least its not 35 and it is a try, im just worried it will lead from 1 to 2 to 30, as it does. And he knows it does.....ahhh F* it, weve all been there he will find his own path wont he?
Hows Jimmy FG?
It makes me feel relieved to be 3 onths past that stage when I see the junkie thinking eating away at dp....you?

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charliecat · 03/03/2005 11:50

Oh no, is it charliecats chat to herself time of the monthagain

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saffy202 · 03/03/2005 13:01

I'm around - well supposed to be doing housework
but keep popping on here.
Still off the evil sticks - 2 months and 2 days but can't see the day when I'll stop the lozs. Think I need to find an alternative but don't care for mints - my lozs are plain.

Have snow here - anyone else? DP 'persuaded' me to take ds2 to school on his sledge this morning. Looks sunny so I think it will be gone by 3.00.

charliecat · 03/03/2005 15:26

Hello Saffy...have you managed to get any housework done? MNS a curse isnt it?!
I have had to GUT my house for a man coming round to inspect it...I mean really gut it....been at it constantly for a couple of days...
...stress levels massive. Loads of shit and nowhere to put it.
How many lozengers are you getting through?
Is there nothing you can think of to replace the urge with every second time or something?(chocolates! Baileys!)

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charliecat · 03/03/2005 15:35

Oh yes...sorry phone rang and pressed Post Message...
...snow here in Kent...lots of it. Schools shut yesterday, that would be after I had trapsed there in the blizzard and today, the nursery I work at was shut too so day off for me
I am giving up my sledging career...last year i got on the sledge with my youngest and we shot down a hill...didnt think of the fact it didnt have any breaks...and we hit a wall and im surprised the ice/snow/pavement didnt wipe her face off, the wall was at the side of us BTW and we veered off right into it at about 40 MPH...arghhhhhhhhhhhh..
and this year playing it safe in the car park i slipped on some ice and OMG...fell on DD2s leg...thought id broken it...so thats why im giving up sledging...too dangerous!!

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saffy202 · 03/03/2005 15:37

that's the incentive I need - someone coming round to inspect the house! It doesn't help that I live with a family of hoarders - dp being the worst offender! He goes through the black bags after I've had a clear out picking things out saying it may come in handy!

Not sure how many lozs I have a day - have packs lying all round the house and can't keep a track of them! I'm trying to think of healthy substitutes but I'm not really into healthy foods - just junk I am quite skinny but then any extra weight seems to show up straight away iyswim

charliecat · 03/03/2005 15:40

I am the hoarder in this family and its spreading to the kids...if you need 1 item, its guarenteed that I will have it........ in big/small/medium/pink/lilac/bargain range and Brand New Never Used. I seem to have 7 of everything. And I cant seem to stop. I threw out i think 19 bin bags of stuff before Xmas and 3 car loads of stuff in the last couple of days...its grim!!!

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saffy202 · 03/03/2005 15:41

Not sure if you saw on the news about the man who was killed sledging. It was only a couple of miles away from us. I must admit I had never really considered the dangers of sledging - ds2 used to go down the hill with dp at 11 months - he loved it

charliecat · 03/03/2005 15:43

I saw that in the newspaper...how nasty is that...go out to have innocent fun and DIE...
After my 2 near misses im not risking a third!
Have you got anything houseworky done today?

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charliecat · 04/03/2005 16:27

Im beginning to think the snow has eaten peoples internet cables...
Chonking away madly here. I have not smoked 3368 fags or thereabout, depending on the amount smoked on a good bad day. OMG thats LOADSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS isnt it? I have what feels like tonsilitus at the moment thats festering on a bit and is a pain but my brain for once is working with me and imaginging how much worse it would be if I was trying to layer 30 fags worth of tar and crap on my throat too!
DP brought 10 fags last night
I just mentioned the fact id used up every single possible excuse for smoking just one(or just 50) and there really was no excuses left for me. And that if its a lesson learnt and he tries again its ok.
I really hate smoking, its bloody evil.

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whymummy · 04/03/2005 16:34

hi cc
i haven't smoked 927 fags!! i've just told dh that i've increased my life expectancy by 3 days and he said "oh no,i'll 'ave to put up with you for longer".
chaaaaarming!!

how is everyone?

charliecat · 04/03/2005 23:00

Thats EVIL! LOL sounds like the sort of comment im used to here! We have been decluttering big time, feels great to be binning so much shit and this is from someone who is( was?) a mega hoarder.
I can honestly say from the 1000 less fag mark to here, over 3000 has went very quick...so that gives you hope i hope whymummy BTW...night xx

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charliecat · 04/03/2005 23:00

Thats EVIL! LOL sounds like the sort of comment im used to here! We have been decluttering big time, feels great to be binning so much shit and this is from someone who is( was?) a mega hoarder.
I can honestly say from the 1000 less fag mark to here, over 3000 has went very quick...so that gives you hope i hope whymummy BTW...night xx

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charliecat · 04/03/2005 23:00

oops

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whymummy · 05/03/2005 12:27

hey charliecat wanna come and declutter my house?god it's serious!! i'm having a spring clean right now,aaaargh!!
yes,i can't wait to be able to say that i've not smoked 3000
one thing i'm scared about is that in less than 2 weeks i'm going home and i'm going to be going out lots with my mates and every single one smokes,should i take lozenges with me even though i'm not longer using them?
hope everyone else is still doing great

charliecat · 05/03/2005 16:03

Dont take lozengers, they are full of nicotine, which is the evil monster that you have escaped from if you had a lozenge after this amount of non smoking time you would be as as well having a fag....which you would never do would you?!
All of your smoking friends will be envious of the nonsmoking, freshsmelling, not chained to the weed you. They will be. And dont worry, you have walked past countless shops/fags/ashtrays already, you have been fine. You will continue to be....this is your quit, your body. If the rest of the world wants to smoke themselves to death LET THEM.
You be the one with the strenght to have stopped and to stay stopped.
1000 fags not smoked nearly whymummy. FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
However be prepared to feel a bit left out...smokers stick together, groups of foul smelling addicts all laughing and smiling together, if they didnt share the addiction of smoking they wouldnt give each other the time of day. You remember that.

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charliecat · 05/03/2005 17:04

This made me go OMG

Smoking has killed more than six million people in the UK in the last 50 years - almost equal to the entire population of London.

The figures have been released ahead of national "No Smoking Day" next week and although the numbers of people who smoke appear to have peaked - the habit is still responsible for tens of thousands of deaths.

Health experts said the figures acted as a reminder of the dangers of smoking and should encourage more people to kick the habit.

The study, funded by the Medical Research Council (MRC), Cancer Research UK and the British Heart Foundation (BHF), was conducted by Sir Richard Peto, professor of medical statistics at Oxford University.

He found that between 1950 and 2000, 42 per cent of deaths in middle-aged (35-69) men in the UK were caused by smoking.

This peaked in the 1960s when tobacco caused half of all deaths in middle-aged men.

The research also found that over the same period smoking caused 16 per cent of deaths in middle-aged women in the UK, peaking in the late 1980s at around one quarter of deaths.

Is on Yahoo News ive copied and pasted.

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Cod · 05/03/2005 17:05

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