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I've only just read the title with the tune iyswim, before I sort of imagined Franny shouting it

Oh yes, I like the aubergine.

oh dear @ shouting

avi don't you start

I do genjerally sit quietly and take it all in really.

I don't know the tune. [even more confused]

must go to bed

Avi, the email scrabble thing didn't work, did it?

Oh blame it all on the full moon

Idris we have our birth place in common

FMF have a lovely bleary-eyed day with your baby tomorrow. Recount me your birth stories any time.

I'm away to bed now, sleep well everyone.

am just half LOLing and half crying thinking of ds this morning when i was upset

dp had stomped off as is his wont. Ds cuddled me for a bit and then said "I'll leave you on your own for a bit mummy". I said "but I don't WANT to be left on my own!" and he thought very seriously and said "I'll just go down and get something from my snack box and come back again then, mummy, because I am VERY hungry"

I know it is not right to lean on one's children for emotional support but he was very good at it!

Your ds is very precious Franny.

That is the GOOD sort of precious obviously!

@ precious

yes he then said "I am sorry daddy said those unreasonable things." (repeating phrase I had used) I said "no don't worry, it was not just Daddy saying things, we both said things that were not very good, but I am going to speak to Daddy and sort it all out." He said "yes but NOT NOW MUMMY. Because he is having some quiet time on his own" also spot on and very hard for me to accept when I want to talk

Wow at his great diplomacy! Could we borrow him sometimes? Perhaps he could sort out dd1 and ds1...

ah, now I see why Alice Miller might be too uncomfortable a read

I was very impressed at his way of dealing with it, but would hate him to feel he is responsible for sorting out rows between us or making me happy or anything

we don't often row though, and he did a bloody good job

oh dear you mean I am cocking it all up?

If he is happy and relaxed then that is fine and he is just emulating the civilised behaviour he has seen.

I'd appreciate if you could come back and tell me what you mean

sorry TooT that was re the Alice Miller comment

You still there Franny?

Franny, as my name suggests, i'm the world's worst parent and you sound like you're doing a great job. So I take my hat off to you. All of us mother our mother to some degree, what your DS was doing was 'mothering' you for a minute, which is what Miller talks about. So I can see how superficially Miller's work might make you wince but it'd be unncessary wincing as the sort of 'suppressing your needs as a child to mother your mother' is of a scale you're not on, even remotely. So don't wince and do read Miller. Any fleeting 'uh ohs, is that what I do?' really will be fleeting then you can move on out of that temporary discomfort to sorting out YOUR mother, not your mothering - the former is the problem, non?

Good morning .

Oh dear Franny, that was late at night to be worrying about a child mothering its mother.

FWIW I think TooT is right, and that he was reflecting back the good, reasonable approach to problems you have modelled for him. Particularly the reaching for a fruity snack in the time of crisis! THAT WAS A JOKE.

I don't think any of mine would do that. They'd be useless, which is not a good reflection of me as a mother. DS1 can be cheering during driving with a map, I suppose. But if I cry, I'm fairly sure they'd say all quizzical 'What are you doing? Do you want to play Monopoly/do you know where my socks are/ I can't find my coat'. Which doesn't reflect very well on me.

I wonder. They might say 'Oh fgs, what's the matter with you? Get on. It can't be that bad. You must be tired. I told you this would happen. Well if you WILL insist on . . . .'