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sorry cross posts that was to MrsC

they are 21, oh gosh, that seems extraordinary. I don't know how I will handle it if ds gets invitations to stuff like that.

Someone at school once told me they'd like to have a wimpy party for their son but they didn't think anyone from the class would come. I think she was right.

DD also asks about Bratz but I refused them and told her they were mutant dolls. I think the film would be full of children with bad attitudes and I don't want her to see it. I would mind, but less so, about her going to macdonalds. She knows it's bad food.

Ah you see ds would probably LOVE McDonalds. The poor mite.

I kind of felt ok about it, because she's 5 and had clear ideas that the food was crap and the Bratz are ugly - and i showed absolutely no objection to her trying either thing for herself, so she could form her own opinion rather than long for something her friends had.

If she'd come home loving bratz and nuggets though i guess i might feel differently

That was very big and mature of you Boco and I salute you for it

ds says things like "those boys have got toy guns. Their mummies must think they are nice toys to have."

That's the thing, DD whines in the shop, mummy I want a bratz, no you don't it's just that Holly has one, see they're revolting, but she would quite like one.

I have allowed Polly Pockets with rubbery shoes and dresses, they are quite fun. My mother has bought macdonalds for them in the past. I wouldn't do it, but it won't kill them I suppose. DD does like it though, she eats crisp sandwiches with nanny.

Is your DS petitioning for a toy gun, Franny?

(I have been known to have an emergency Macdonalds).

Bratz dolls are peculiar, aren't they?

I told DD bratz were sluts and she told her friend who had about a hunderd bratz dolls. I should temper my langugae - maybe.

RE: father christmas - I did the kind of elusive magic thing but cannot lie to the direct question - when ds pinned me down last year I told him father christmas was actually a name people use to describe the feeling your mummy and daddy have loving you so much and wating to surprise you with presents or something. I think he laughed - he thinks I am crazy anywya.

I feel better. The police phoned and were nice and they said sometimes the other driver comes forward a few days later as they cannot live with it. If they do would I meet them thoguh?

We went to thte library and museum. I made up an uber geeky game called 'molecules' which DS loves but it is so very geeky. I might tell franny in an email.

Oh yes tell me everything please. I am glad you are feeling better, but carry on taking care of yourself if you have some wobbles.

Lionheart no he has given up. He knows he isn't allowed them. Poor sod.

let them have macdonalds. They're all intelligent sounding children. Tehy'll work it out for themselves soon enough.
We only ever went if it was a motorway emergncy. One day we were in town and in a rush for the cinema. I suggested McD's ''for a treat'' and the boys looked at me and said : ''well, if you want...''
I said: ''I thought you'd like to go as a treat as we are going to have an afternoon of rubbish sweets etc.''
''Ds1 looked at me and said: ''I used to want the toys. But they were never as good as you thought they'd be. And actually I don't like the food very much. At all. Can't we go to a nice coffee shop and have a nice sandwich?''

That was 3 years ago and McDs has never registered on our radar since! (esxcept for explaining about Macjobs to ds who wanted to drop out of school as soon as possible.

Nice one FMF's ds!

I haven't been in McDonalds for over 20 years and I am not starting now. My mum started going on about "do they do vegetarian food in McD's? Well I thought you might know" How do I know? She is the one that eats there...

You could always go on and on about the Evil Clown. That should put him right off, Franny

Ah, no, I think he LIKES clowns

how come he has his own thoughts and opinions and stuff? They never told me that would happen?

Yes, it is most offputting, especially when they voice their differing opinions in public. At the most inoportune time...

Evening

I am feeling rather full. I made a sausage and chickpea casserole for supper, which was yum, and a sort of weird cake thing with figs in it.

Poor DS, when I told him I was making a ckae, he said "but Mummy, it's not Christmas, or someone's birthday"

Anyway I forgot to put any baking powder in it and used rice flour, so the texture was rather odd, in fact it was a bit like a giant fig roll. We ate it with custard

I persuaded dh to get offa his big depressed arse and do something today.
So we have sanded and repainted all the windows and repainted the front door (which was a big mistake. But we both feel better for the fresh air, and physical work and working together and a sense of achievement.
The shit is still there but we have managed to stick out fingers in our ears and sing ''la-la-la can't hear you'' IFKWIM.
A hearty chicken and veg casserols is simmering and I am going to read my children a story and then distract my dh with the magic combination of cheap champagne and rude scrabble
Nighty night all...

I am worried that my post to Boco sounded holier than thou. I just mean that I find Bratz in particular unpleasant because of the 'nose in air' bratty attitude that it seems to glorify, and DD doesn't need any encouragement with that. She often come home from school with a 'yeah but' attitude and it drives me mad. Disappeared over the summer strangely, but anyway, upshot is I didn't mean it to sound all 'oh well, I wouldn't have allowed that, ifswim. I am sure your dd is charming and lovely and unswayed by such things. Not that my dd isn't lovely, oh dear, I will shut up now.

I don't like clowns either after the Stephen King film.

Another dilemma - ds1 came home from the park and said some teenagers had taken his friends ball. He tried to stop them by getting their ball and saying 'give it back if you want yours' sort of thing, and he looked a bit shifty and said they didn't care about their ball it wasn't a very good one and they called him, 'a twatty idiot'. Now I don't know about you but I can't picture a teenager saying that, I imagine ds has given me a watered down version. I was a little cross with him and said he shouldn't get involved and what if it turned nasty and the other by whose ball it was had his Dad there and so on. I wanted to say, you stupid boy, stay away from the big nasty teenagers, it wasn't your ball but then, he was brave to stick up for his friends ball wasn't he? This is a minefield the new park allowances I tell you. Advice please.

leave him to sort it out himself - he has common snese if he is editing himslef for you. the worse is he will get hit and learn - he won;t get stabbed.

you didn;t come across holier thatn though before - dpn;t worry.

BTW I knew you were a big sister - see - ner!

Sorry about the shit fmv, hope you ahve a nice evening

RE Christmas, I am slightly embarassed to admit I am going to be 38 in December and I will be spending Christmas for the 38th year running with my parents Most years have been at their house because it is big enough to fit everyone in.

We've never had the inlaw debate because we never get invited to the PILs and they would never come here at Christmas (to do with the fact that MIL is actually step-MIL and has a large family)

When I was younger we lived close to my parents and it was a chance to go round & slob out and stuff oursleves.

Now we live furtehr away and so it is a family getogether thing. I have 2 sisters and DSIS has 2 children so DS gets to spend huge amounts of time rampaging about the house with his cousins which he loves more than anything else.

No-one drinks much in my family. It seems perhaps that does help. We rarely argue.

I think ds2 demanded to be told actually. He likes to know how things are - he has a really strong sense of dignity, partly I think because lots of things are difficult for him - so he says to adults things like 'Are you laughing at me?' and doesn't like being talked down to, not that I do of course.

Sorry god long analysis of ds2 - and when he asked and I think I smiled and was evasive and he was annoyed and I told him ds1's line and he smiled and said 'Ah yes, I see.'

It's a good line I think. I have much to thank ds1 for - he's having the best weekend. He and dh have gone to Cardiff to watch the rugby. He's very happy and very nearly ten. God that's so old, I feel so old. I'm going to eat unsuitable things to celebrate.

Why is that embarrassing, Frayedknot, it's nice, well, it must be or you wouldn't keep going! I wish I had that, a big family home to go back to. I am going to create one.

BBBee - you are right I should leave him to it, it's just so hard and only the third or so time he's been and exactly the thing that stopped me saying he could go to the park on his own for ages. How on earth did you know I was a big sister?

Did you see I nearly used your recommendations, 100x, you said no-one listens to you but I did. Well we couldn't anyway but next week maybe.

Oh I missed all that.

yes let him work it out, that's why they go to the park isn't it? I hate our new park allowances however, make me feel sick.

I think he was rather brave.

I hate Bratz, I have told dd this, she seems to agree. I am an Englightened Despot I think, that is my parenting style, I'm going to find Claire Scott and tell her this.

The film isn't bratz dolls - it is big teenagers in a high school. I have seen a film. Really don't think it is for 5 y-o AT ALL.