MMR

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I know this has been covered before but it was before my time on mumsnet. At the risk of boring people, yes or no to the MMR jab?

I've only just discovered Mumsnet my first post was on this thread as it is something I feel passionately about.

The first response to my post was "tut tut" as far as I could see that was written simply because they didn't agree with what I said. I then posted a link to a site which gives information directly relevant to that part of the discussion, the response to that post was a sarcastic put down. My comments were then twisted to use against me as an anti-vax poster.

I explained why I feel passionately about not vaccinating my baby and how I believe two of my children to be vaccine damaged and I was respectful of other peoples' right to make their own decisions.

There was no offence intended in any of my posts and I can't see why anyone here needed to be so rude in their responses to me, reasoned discussion I understand, childish bullying I don't. I feel I have been made to feel unwelcome here because my anti-vaxing feelings and beliefs were not liked by some. I was interested to see someone saying that they didn't want the "old" mumsnetters to stop posting because of newbies, I'm a newbie who feels I have been attacked by oldies, not a good welcoming experience

Rhosyn, please don't feel excluded by 'older' mumsnetters: I've not been here that long but you may feel as if I have since I've been so prolific You're entitled to your views as is everyone else. Don't go, diversity is important here as in real life....

YPUK, the same applies to you and your opinions.

Rhosyn- please don't feel excluded. I really welcome different opinions and you've obviously got good reasons to feel strongly about this issue. Sorry you didn't feel welcomed. Welcome.

ypuk- sorry if I was a bit facetious earlier. I think the tone of your posts was a bit off maybe- lemmings?!- but I didn't need to respond so rudely. Welcome as well.

Thank you for so many of your kind and thoughtful comments since my last posting. I was really upset yesterday for several reasons other than just this thread and it all got on top of me. I had just been told that my dad is going incurably blind ( and my sister (who I am very close to) has announced plans to emmigrate to Australia. Too much at the same time!! I polished off a nice bottle of plonk last last and felt better enough to log on - but not sober enough to type anything!! So here I am, feeling a little sheepish about my decision to quit and hoping that everyone won?t mind if I stay around a little longer...sorry for being overdramatic. It was very much out of character.

I was so relieved to see that others objected to slanging matches too. What with the GF thread and this one, I was starting to think it was becoming a trend but maybe between us all we can get back to the genuine discussions, humour and mutual support we are all used to.
Rhosyn - please don?t be put off. Let?s all stick together and stay positive!!
JoPat - you are so kind and I totally agree. We do seem to have a lot in common. I am really pleased to hear your little one is doing so well. Fingers crossed!
Thanks again all of you. LOL

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To JayTree, Sooo pleased to have you back with us. Don't worry about being overdramatic I think under the circumstances you have very good reason to be. Apart from family troubles Monday's event will be making you worried enough. Why not take some 'me' time?
Dd is still OK. She has a bit of a runny nose but she had been talking and running around as ever and even picking up new words. Long may it continue.

Willow2 I have only been posting for 3/4 days. I know I'm new but I also know manners. I'm sure without YPUK we will all get on alot better. She was a bit like Rhona in 'I'm a Celebrity...'

Dh is hassling me to go and get ready for church so I'd better go before I make everyone late. (Wont be the first time I've not done something because I was having so much fun here)

Just wanted to add that I wasn't referring to anyone in particular - and that I'd like to add a welcome all new members. But everyone - old and new - should try to remember that, while we don't have to agree on each others' points of view, there's a nice way of having a "heated debate" that doesn't have to involve upsetting anyone - old or new.

Thank you to everyone that has welcomed me

robinw - You say that "tut tut" is a 'pretty mild response' - really? it is patronising and that is why I object to it, it was a totally unnecessary put down to my explanation of why I don't vaccinate my baby. I post on other boards/forums and had expected to find mature discussion on this one too.

Thank you to everyone that has welcomed me

robinw - You say that "tut tut" is a 'pretty mild response' - really? it is patronising and that is why I object to it, it was a totally unnecessary put down to my explanation of why I don't vaccinate my baby. I post on other boards/forums and had expected to find mature discussion on this one too.

Arrrrghhh sorry didnae mean to post that twice!!

Please, please, please can we all be friends now?!

What was that rhyme that we used to say when we were little?

'Make friends, make friends,
Never ever break friends ...'

I know that I said something a bit harsh earlier and I am guilty of having a giggle about one or two things that others have said but now the novelty has worn off (I am a newie) and all this getting at one another is getting me down ... It's just because I care so very deeply about my ds. As you all care about your ds's and dd's.

Let's get back to the point - 'to vaccinate or not to vaccinate, that is the question ...'

Each and every mumsnetter knows that in the end only she and her dp can make that decision based on whatever facts they have put together. That is what being a parent is all about - no one but you can decide on what or what not to do for your child.

Good luck to all those who have yet to make that decision - it is not an easy one to make, one way or another. Whatever you decide is what YOU think is right for your child and therefore no one can criticise you. I am lucky, I have been through the soul searching and have come out the other side.

PS Here in NZ there is not nearly the same amount of hype about it. Will find out more if anyone is interested?

Anyway, way past my bedtime. Laters...

Hmm, Robinw, rather an unfriendly reply, I'd say. I have to say, I felt rather gratuitously insulted by your comment, as it happens, but wouldn't dream of telling anyone they aren't welcome or not to post. Ho hum.
Rhosyn, I am genuinely interested in what you think may have happened to your children as I am concerned about possible vaccine damage (though I gave the whooping cough vaccine which is known to be the most dangerous) so I'm not sure my stance has any consistency in it. Would you mind saying what happened? If you're feeling a bit bruised and would rather keep it private then I do understand.

really sorry I've missed this thread as I've been away - makes fascinating reading , but I'm staying out of it... (where's that fence for me to sit on...?)

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I've missed this one too, Rhosyn and JayTree, and I'd like to add to the reassurances that most threads are not like this, and that this isn't typical of Mumsnet. So please don't be put off (and welcome too, to you both).
If you go back to the earlier MMR threads you will see that we have all aired the pro/anti-vaccination concerns before, without it going so sour. There is a diversity of opinion on the matter of the MMR on here, which to me is far more informative than the official sources.
Good luck tomorrow, JayTree, I only know of one nipper who had a reaction to her jab, and it was not serious or lasting. Most people I know, went the single jab route, but I think that is possibly because of the presence of a good single jab clinic in our part of London.

Well, I can't stand you and your ignorant and aggressive attitudes either Robinw. So shall we leave it at that then. By the way those comments of mine that you used were meant to be self-deprecating and humorous, but you obviously have no sense of humour either.

Sorry everyone if this spoils the atmosphere, but really - I have had enough. I'm not going to post either if this is the reaction. I spend far too much time on here as it is, so maybe I can stop and get on with my real job, which is obviously enjoying ruining people's lives. After all, nobody here ever enjoyed or learned anything about life, health or the world from reading a newspaper or magazine.

Me too Sobernow.

I think that the problem with writing rather than speaking is that humour is really hard to get across, which is something I have experienced. You get a bit fed up using the smily faces all the time! Also, comments can come across as much more forcefully than they are meant to.

Perhaps we should all stop posting on this thread(?), as all points of view seem to have been written, and the topic is done and dusted IMO.

Everyone who is annoyed, with or without good reason, PLEASE chill out with a glass of vino, and we'll all see you on other, less emotive, subjects. I'm thinking of starting a really intellectual 'Best Hunk on TV/Film' thread, just to show how shallow I am

Thanks Marina for your welcome. I have only been posting for a short while and it all started off great - lots of support, ideas, thoughts etc. - I immediately felt at home here and very glad that I found it by chance. Recently, this thread and the "slagging off the gurus" thread has made me doubt my initial positive feelings about the site but I am pleased to see that I might well have been a little hasty. It does seem that the majority of postings are friendly and positive and I am determined not to let my recent experiences stop me from enjoying and benefitting from this site. Sobernow has put it all far more succinctly than I ever could and I totally agree with her (she is a canny one all right!!)

Aloha - already over the short time I have been visiting this site, your comments are always ones that are interesting and informative. I don?t always agree with every stance you take but you write them in such a clear way that helps me to consider other view points with more understanding and empathy - please don?t go.

Sorry Chinchilla - busy typing last point and didn?t read your last one!! I agree...this thread has gone way past it?s bedtime. Will shut up now. I promise.

JayTree, all the best for tomorrow. Give dd a hug from me.

Also agree this thread is past it's sell by date.

Chinchilla really liked the idea of 'Best hunk on TV/film'. Shallow or not, I'd join in.

I agree with that too!
Can I say here (as I am about to on the other thread) that I am sorry I ever started the 'Gurus' thread - it came out of a bit of joking I had with someone else on yet another one where people could have a bit of a laugh and a moan about stupid things they had read, but very quickly got far to personal for my liking! So I am very sorry if it has put folk off Mumsnet, which would be the last thing I would like to do, Mumsnet has been so good for me! I actually got a smack on the wrist on another site I post on for referring people over to Mumsnet where the advice was superior!!
Sorry if anyone has been offended. I'm actually fairly inoffensive in real life, as long as you like my folk music .......