MMR

[Mog]

I know this has been covered before but it was before my time on mumsnet. At the risk of boring people, yes or no to the MMR jab?

Yes.

yes

ahhh....the good old MMR debate shall rear its ugly head again...

we decided to vaccinate, we made this decision based on our own extensive research and the fact that this is the only country in the world where there has been any "alleged" problems with the jab. My doctor in South Africa had never even heard about any controversy surrounding it and enquiries with a friends' paediatrician in the USA yielded the same response.

our reasons for not opting for the single vaccine were mainly based on the lack of regulation of the single jab - there didn't seem to be enough regulation re. storage of the jab etc.

All this said, if I am blessed with another child I am not sure that I would go for the MMR again. DS reacted terribly to the jab, he was absolutely miserable (I can't stress enough how miserable he was) for three weeks. A visit doctor concluded that this was coincidence - a normally happy, easygoing child turned into a miserable monster with every cold and virus under the sun in a matter of hours (mmmmm.... I think not).

At the end of the day it is a very personal decision. One which weighs heavily on us all - my advice would be to do as much research as possible using reliable and scientific sources. Go with whatever you feel is right.

dejags

Haven't got to MMR yet but will have it and Dejags - all jabs can make anyone feel a bit rough for a few days. Dp and dd have both been a bit flu-like after jabs - I can't bear the thought of going through it 3 times!

Current plan (10mo dd) is no, single jabs (I'm working on our GP but private if I don't persude him) and private mercury-free triple vaccine boosters.
Sunderland Uni's autism unit research (plus dreadful reaction to triple at 8weeks) was the one that changed my mind.
However, Canada immigration dept may make us reverse that decision.

Mog, do your research (at least these days with the Internet that's easy), discuss with dp and other care providers. Ultimately you should make your own decision. If you decide no, then you should ensure those who have regular contact with your child are aware of this. Then they can make their own appropriate choices (like never visiting you again!) too.

We gave ds MMR - no ill effects whatsoever, really glad we did.

After much research, discussion and family health matters, went with single jabs with no reactions. A personal choice that I feel you and your family have to make as it is you that would live with any complications/effects and only you know how you would deal with it. Good luck in whatever decision you make, I'm sure it will be the right one for you.

as many have said it's a peresonal choice... we went with the single jabs (@ £40 each) as my view was why risk it although i appreciate that the financial aspect may be an issue for some.

or even personal!

dejags - you have really worried me now - I was all set to have my dd vaccinated in the combined "job lot" next week and your story has got me really concerned. She reacted fairly badly to the last two set of jabs they get (first one not so bad, the second much worse) so I am quite nervous. Still going ahead with it - I think. I am going to discuss it again with dh tonight. I wish it were all a little bit more black and white.

Dejags... there are similar issues with MMR in the US... not long ago I posted a summary from the house of congress on this very topic !!!
They also talk about MMR and autism in France but to a far less extent.

JayTree my dd had a big red lump on her leg both times with her baby jabs, nothing at all with MMR I don't think she even noticed the needle going in she was so interested in the new toothbrush the nurse was giving her

Found it again...
www.reform.house.gov/burton.02.06.19.htm
It is from the House of Representatives

Pupuce I agree that research should be carried out to allay people's fears, about a possible connection between MMR and autism/bowel disease but Dan Burton is being a bit misleading when he says Wakefield was pushed out of his job at the Royal Free. If he'd been shown the door straight away, I'd agree. He stayed there for a number of years (4 I think) following his initial publication, trying to replicate his own work which he failed to do. also anecdotal evidence like his about children becoming autistic as soon as they've had their jabs is often only recollected well after event, at the time when autism is normally picked up by healthcare professionals. a large study on a whole population of children is needed to establish a connection.
also Dan Burton is a so-called 'pro-lifer', another stance I'd take issue with him on!

Sorry to divert the conversation a little but Emilys? where did you get the single jabs at £40 each? just out of interest.. My son has just had the single Measles costing us £150.

yes

Yes DS had his MMR. Actual injection no problem - shouted at the nurse but that was because she interupted him having a good nosey at all the interesting medical equipment in the room. About two weeks later had a reaction to the mumps bit (ie swollen glands and earache) but was settled by calpol - nothing too serious. Would definitely give him the booster and have any future children vaccinated.

good point bundle. "pro-lifer"s annoy me too - I'm totally pro-life, I think it's a marvellous thing. I'm also pro-abortion though...

Here are some links for you to look at which will give you some more information on the issues...

www.angelfire.com/realm2/wiseone/UKvaxinfo.htm
www.whale.to/vaccines.html nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm
www.vaccinationnews.com

Yes

I didn't have dd vaxxed. She had her baby ones (ds had all of his) but not MMR won't be having any more.

Have a look at the links I posted below. Look at the ingredients in some of the vaccines.

Remember that there is no hurry to have the vaccines, so you can take as long as you like to make the decision. Read as much about it as you can on both sidea and make an INFORMED decision, not one based solely on government propoganda.

Hi Mog - Yes! My dd will be having her MMR in about 5 months time.

Yes ds has had his MMR with no problems whatsoever. Single vaccines can also cause a reaction, a friend of mine had her dd vacinated with single vaccines and she reacted terribly to the measles vaccine, she said she literally had the measles.

Haven't yet decided. DD has just turned 1 but I don't have to accept the appointment when it comes through. I think I will go the way of no MMR though.

My brother and two sisters all had measles and mumps with no ill effects.

No.

I have 3 children, DS is fully vaxed, DD partially and our 11mth old baby is totally unvaccinated, it has been a long learning process for me to get to where I am and to be comfortable with this decision and even now I worry, it is such an emotional decision to make and you have to be sure the decision is your own. If you feel unsure and need more time then don't make a definite decision but wait a while, give yourself the space to decide. Our decision was ultimately based on 3 main points:

Firstly, that I don't want substances such as formaldehyde or cells from aborted fetuses injected into my children (or myself) and I believe that vaccinating is unnatural, a mutated form of the illness goes in through an abnormal route bypassing the bodies natural defences and leaving the immune system unprepared for the attack.

Secondly, there are children who have been vaccine damaged, that damage varies from a few days of very high fever to full blown autism to death. I also believe that vaccinations have a large part to play in the damage to childrens' immune systems generally for the reasons I gave above.

Thirdly, there there would appear to be no scientific evidence suggesting that vaccines are at all effective, they certainly are not 100% effective.