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Dependent Drinkers and Alcoholics (recovering or active) Support Thread

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BrassicMonkey · 24/06/2007 21:00

The last thread will close soon, but I want this one to be about everybody, not just me. So Hidesit, Earlgrey, SoSo and anyone else that needs support please post and keep me company.

I've lapsed again tonight, which is a shame as I hoped I'd be able to start this off on a postive note.

Link to the last thread.

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BrassicMonkey · 05/08/2007 16:15

Hi everyone

I haven?t posted for a few days because I?ve been making the most of this lovely weather. I got burnt yesterday though so I?m stuck indoors today. Hope everyone else is enjoying it.

Lol @ exotic Kokeshi ? definitely not so in my part of London, but it?s good to have so many different themes all in the same city. I?m appallingly ignorant about London so it?s an eye-opener for me. I had a can of diet coke at a coffee shop on Kings Road and they charged £1.95 for it (and I left a tip ). I?m genuinely, honestly enjoying the summer this year and I?ve lost a bit of weight without even trying ? it?s probably all the walking and being at meetings instead of stuffing cakes and chocolate in my mouth. I?d love to give up smoking as well but I?m not going to attempt that yet, not for ages actually.

I?ve cut down on meetings a bit this week. I felt resentful that I had 2 days off to spend with family but didn?t enjoy them as much as I should. I really want to start having a life again (I mean a real one without booze, not a life without AA) and I?m finding daily meetings hard work. I?ve done 4 (including tonight) this week and that felt right for me. I know I originally planned to do 90/90 but I?ve spoken to others that didn?t and it seems too extreme now I?ve tried it. Does anyone think I?m being too casual about it?

Service scares me a bit, but I?m hoping that will change when I find a ?home group?. I feel bad that I?m taking and not giving back but I don?t feel ready to commit anywhere yet. I?ve been told that I should go for a ?greeters? job because I?m shy and it will bring me out of myself. I?d be happier doing the washing up though , so I?ll volunteer for something like that when I?m more ready.

I didn?t know your DP was also an addict/alcoholic Kokeshi ? it must be great to be understood in personal relationships. I get so much relief from hearing people talk about alcoholism. Not necessarily their physical experience, but the emotional avoidance, mental obsession, insane thoughts that precede the drink that turns into a binge etc ? having someone else explain who I am to me, because I?ve spent years kidding myself that I?m not like that. I always dread going to a meetings and that feeling stays with me until the secretary has asked newcomers to introduce themselves. After that I really enjoy listening to the chair and sharers. It must be great to have someone there all the time that you can really talk too.

Oldlush ? Very well done to you! You should be thrilled ? I am on your behalf

IF ? that must be really unpleasant. I don?t have anything like that. Poor you . I didn?t know that loose stools are a symptom of poor liver function. I don?t think my stools have ever been pale but my urine was very dark when I was drinking ? that might have been down to all the UTIs though. Makes me want to throw myself into healthy living to try and counteract the damage I might have done. I don?t think I want to have an LFT anymore though. I?d rather just assume everything is fine and try and forget about it.

I?m going to a meeting tonight ? not sure which one yet, but I feel I need one. One of the draw backs to this weather is thinking about beer gardens and boozy BBQ?s. If it was raining though I?d probably be thinking about a nice warming brandy. I know I?d end up indoors with a bottle of vodka though, whatever I start drinking.

Hope everyone is doing well. Enjoy the sunshine

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souvenir · 05/08/2007 21:15

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dandycandyjellybean · 05/08/2007 22:19

well done souv for coming on here and admitting how you're feeling. it can only help. well done everyone else too. i don't post on here much coz i feel that everyone here is making so much progress and i'm still stuck at the starting blocks... i am really proud of you all though, keep it up you heros. I've been off line for a bit too, as my computer became terminal and then went to photocopier heaven (anyone else a red dwarf fan?) However, by a stroke of luck managed to get an Aldi special which is brill (but needed a mate of dh to set it up), hence i've been away for a bit. looking at you all on a massive hd flat screen monitor.....you all look fab by the way!!!! however, i did manage to install the printer and the wireless router by myself so am feeling a bit proud. won't even say how things are with the demon drink atmo... not bad, but not good either, i am so so so totally crap in that regard. but heyho, hang in there all you sober guys, you are all my role models. much love cubby....

souvenir · 05/08/2007 22:25

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dandycandyjellybean · 05/08/2007 22:34

God, way too long and boring to repeat on here. Check out the link to the last thread at the beginning of this one, and search other dependant drinkers threads....my embarrassement knows no bounds!!!! Here are a few of my earlier posts from this thread if it helps (oh and tonight i'm just finishing off half a bottle of gin which is pretty usual )

Loneliness is just the most horrible thing isn't it bm? My dh had an accident when he was 29 and I was 23. Since then I have been living with an old man. I feel so much sympathy for him and his limitations that i often completely forget to have the same for myself! He hardly ever gets out (am going to a family reunion 2 hours away with just my ds this weekend, and and gutted that dh can't come with me, as was hoping the weather would be good, but all this rain has completely finished him off!) and so I am stuck in. It wasn't really until this week, when I've had a couple of completely drink free nights, and the rest are only a couple of drinks, very little alcohol compared to normal, that i realise that i drink, not coz i really like feeling drunk, just coz i kinda hate my life and being non compus mentus makes it okay! . My best mate is out tonight, with all our other mates at some Greek night, and this is typical. So i totally get lonely, even though i have a wonderful dh. He is so totally dependant on me that my life has ground to a halt just like his, and i hate it!!!! how do you deal with hating your life when you can't change it....i guess i drink. Anyway, just try not to think too much about today, and how much you wanted to get bolloxed (I can relate to that too...!!!) Just focus on tomorrow being another day to try. Hang in bm and keep posting. it's good to talk.
I'm really sorry guys that I have not posted more supportively on here of late, and I really, really hope you don't mind me crashing, but I desperately need some support tonight. I feel as though I'm coming apart at the seams. I have been holding everything together for such a long time, and I guess I'm losing my grip just slightly..... Not only is my dh disabled, but he has been smoking cannabis on and off since he was 13. Heavily, since his accident 14 years ago. Consequences of this and the fall out from his accident mean that I am married to an emotional adolescent, and sometimes, just keeping everything together for the family, jollying along a mardy teenager (my dh a lot of the time) and pasting a smile on my face and keeping sweet for my ds (who fortunately is the light of my life and most times makes this bit easy) is so completely and utterly exhausting.

And today I just feel completely spent and as though I have absolutely nothing left to give to my relationship with dh. Which is really scary, because for the longest time he has been the love of my life (I fell for him very young, and we were married at 18) and yet more and more often lately I just want to scream at him to just bugger off out of my life coz it would all just be so much easier without him. (desperately about this)!

I also realise after many months of relection and self analysis that this is the root cause of why I drink; I am terrified that life sober with dh would be empty and unfulfilling (I hide from this fact the few hours when I'm not exhaustedly busy with ds, he's in bed and I'm drinking.) I am scared. No, I would even go so far as to say I am terrified, actually. I do love him, he has some lovely qualities, but I am so, so unbelievabley tired of constantly being the 'parent' - never being the one who can just kick back and be supported (not even when I was pg, truth be told, although I know that he tried his best )!

Shit, I just can't think about this any more, and yet I don't want to run away anymore either. Sorry for ranting, and the hijack, sorry, will pull myself together (as always) and be okay tomorrow. Hope you are all doing okay tonight guys, my thoughts are with you. Oh, and hi Kokeshi, sorry I've not been in touch much lately, not coz I haven't been thinking of you and the progress of the effects of your implant, just had a full head, as it were! And you to Brassic, you're my hero, hang in there kiddo. Love and {hugs}to you all.

FUCK, FUCK, FUCK, sorry guys. is there a hate-myself emoticon?

souvenir · 05/08/2007 22:42

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kokeshi · 05/08/2007 22:53

Hey cubby great to see you back...how am I looking?

Souvenir...did you post aaaaaaaages ago on a previous drinker's thread? Your name sounds familiar to me. WRT your drinking, what is your motivation for opening a can so early in the day? There are AA meetings all over the place morning, noon and night. What do you want to know?

BM, well done you for enjoying the sunshine. The thing about 90/90...it's a suggestion, a recommendations but many people find a level which suits their own lives. The only think I would say is be careful that you don't becoming complacent about it, and start to let them tail off. It's really insidious and a relapse can creep up on you before you know it, I say this through experience by the way.

DP is great, but gets on my back sometimes if I am not being conscientious enough . There have been times when I've been sick to the back teeth of hearing about Promises, resentments, character defects etc. So, there are disadvantages to having an 'old timer' as a partner. Don't tell anyone I said that .

Service sounds scary when it isn't really. Joining a group is good because it allows us to develop deeper relationships within AA. It's so easy to hide, just dotting about from meeting to meeting and never really connecting with people. I did that for a while too.

Our group is fairly laid back and we take turns in being programme chair, tea making etc. Some of our members just turn up and declare themselves so, it's quite cool actually. I like this way of working, I find some groups very regimented and dare I say a bit stuffy, but each to their own.

Glad you're still getting on well with it though, I'd be interested in hearing about your impressions of meetings as a newcomer, it's good for me to get back to that.

kokeshi · 05/08/2007 23:00

Shit cubby, cross-posted with you. So sorry you're feeling like this. It's sounds like you're at a cross-roads

Sending you strength, I hope you get some peace soon. Please come on here and let it out, I know we won't be able to do anything per se, but just to let you know there are people that care about you.

souvenir · 05/08/2007 23:04

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kokeshi · 05/08/2007 23:12

Well, it's good to see you back souvenir!

What I would say is that if it's causing you problems and affecting other areas of your life, then it's up to you to decide if you are dependent. It's not so much about quantity, rather if you're using it to change how you feel. It's very hard to diagnose, you are really the only one who can decide.

I posted this before (and recently on another thread) it's by an NHS doctor who describes his difficulty in diagnosing an "alcoholic". Look at the CAGE questionnaire below and see if it applies to you:

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"What is an alcoholic?

It may seem strange for an experienced doctor to say what I am about to say, but here goes anyway.

I do not know what the word ?alcoholic? means.

I used to know before I was a doctor. It meant someone who was addicted to alcohol. Someone who had a physical craving so great that he started drinking as soon as he got out of his bed and continued until he collapsed back into it. It meant a dirty unshaven man lying in the gutter clutching a brown paper bag with a bottle inside it, singing, swearing and vomiting. It meant that sad man who, many years ago when I was a student, grabbed me outside the chemist and asked if I would go in and buy him some methylated spirits.

I suppose all these people are stereotypical alcoholics. I do not see patients like that.

The problem about the word ?alcoholic? is that people assume that if they do not fit into this stereotypical image, there cannot be problem.

?Alcoholic? does not encompass the housewives whom I stand behind in the supermarket. Three bottles of the cheapest white wine and a tin of cat food.

?Alcoholic? does not encompass that eminent QC who drinks two or three bottles of claret every night. Only first growths, don?t you know.

Some years ago a 48 year old police officer, a chief superintendent no less, came to see me.

?When I was shaving this morning, I noticed the whites of my eyes were yellow.?

They were too. He did not feel ill. Going through his history, we came to alcohol. He drank three quarters of a bottle of whiskey every night. He had done that for twenty five years. He never got drunk. He had never had a day off work. He was in liver failure.

?Could you stop drinking?? I asked.

Yes. No problem, doc. And he did. Immediately. Without difficulty. His liver still failed. He had a transplant. He is back at work. He has not drunk since.

Was he an alcoholic? Is the QC an alcoholic? Are all the housewives drinking cheap supermarket wine alcoholics?

I do not think it is a helpful word. I have stopped using it in a medical context. ?Excessive drinking.? ?Alcohol related problem?. Whatever. This is easier. And less pejorative.

How do you know if you have an alcohol problem? If you are asking yourself that question, you probably do have one. But, if in doubt, ask yourself the four CAGE questions.

  1. Have you ever felt you needed to Cut down on your drinking?
  2. Have people Annoyed you by criticizing your drinking?
  3. Have you ever felt Guilty about drinking?
  4. Have you ever felt you needed a drink first thing in the morning (Eye-opener) to steady your nerves or to get rid of a hangover?

Two positives and you are in trouble.

If you cannot face your doctor, have a look at Dryblog, the best and least threatening internet resource for heavy drinkers.

Highly recommended."

kokeshi · 05/08/2007 23:17

BTW, I would describe myself as an alcoholic - as would most people in the fellowship of AA - but it's probably taken a while to get there and I understand the difficulty people have with the word.

We tend to move on from that, as it's helpful to our recovery once we admit the problem. Talking about my own experience here by the way, cos that's the only one I can ever be an authority on .

souvenir · 06/08/2007 09:25

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kokeshi · 06/08/2007 11:56

Morning. I've not really had a good look at the resources on the link for Dryblog, it was active on the Doctor's post and I inserted it below so it would make sense.

So, what do you want to do about your drinking?

Hi all.

BrassicMonkey · 06/08/2007 15:05

Hi everyone

Cubby ? welcome back . Good to hear from you again! Your messages are always warm and humorous even though things are tough for you. Take care and keep posting if it helps at all xx

Hi Souvenir. Before I started going to AA meetings I was pretty much obsessed with units and drinking habits ? it?s really surprised me that it?s not discussed that much at meetings. I?m still really new to this but I don?t think anyone will ask you about your drinking or try and work out with you if you?ve got a real problem or not ? at least they haven?t with me. Other members have just accepted that I?m there because I have a desire to stop drinking ? I think that?s the only requirement for attending, which you fulfil because you?ve made unfulfilled promises to yourself to have alcohol free days. FWIW I think 30-40 units per week is too much because it?s well over the maximum safe recommendation and you?ve been doing it regularly for 5 years. Also, drinking in the morning doesn?t seem healthy and promising that you?ll have an alcohol free day and always breaking that promise indicates some dependency. I suppose you have to come to your own conclusion about whether your level of consumption and habit worry you enough to want to change it. Nobody will tell you that you haven?t got a drink problem but IME they won?t tell you that you have either ? just welcome you into the meetings where you might find it easier to draw a conclusion.

There are meetings during the day ? I know it?s going to be difficult during the school holidays though. There are a few in London with crèches attached and I assume they are free. You could give AA a call and they will let you know how it works and tell you where your nearest accessible meetings are. Someone will come with you if you want the support ? I really needed that as I was terrified at first.

I feel a bit stupid giving advice on this since I?m so new to it and so aware that I?m still in the danger zone and could so easily be drunk again soon. Kokeshi?s advice is always spot on, but I wanted to reply as well as it seems unwelcoming not to. Ignore what I say if you want to though, but listen to Kokeshi. Elibean is great too, it?s a shame that she?s away for a few weeks.

Kokeshi ? becoming complacent about drinking again worries me. The meetings are really grounding and help with that, so I wouldn?t cut back to less than 4 a week for a good while yet. I can have a day where I really doubt my alcohol dependency. I know 100% of the time that I can never have alcohol in the house and that I can never drink indoors again, but sometimes I wonder if I could have half a lager in a beer garden and I start to get angry about it. Going to a meeting sorts me out when I have those days. Doing 7 a week drained me a bit though and I wasn?t listening properly.

From a newcomers perspective the meetings are fascinating. I?ve been to about 20 different ones now and I?ve found that similar characters seem to attend the same meetings. Some are pretty ?geezerish? (and I put a little red cross next to those ones in my WTF booklet , to remind me not to go back), others are a bit snooty, some are very organised and ?mature?, others are full of yummy-mummies. My favourite meetings are the women only ones and the newcomers meetings ? not because of the format but because of the people that are there. I always get some identity wherever I am though, and so all are worthwhile going to. I don?t know if the ?themes? are just my perception or maybe it?s a London thing because there are so many to choose from so people can afford to stick to their own type. The most unlikely people have offered me friendship and that?s a really lovely thing for me. I don?t much like the hand-holding during the serenity prayer that goes on at some meetings, but I get through it

Hope everyone?s enjoying the cooler weather today. I?m pulling my kitchen apart and cleaning all the bits that I usually ignore. DS is learning to ride a bike without stabilisers and is probably terrifying his dad right now. I wouldn?t want to swap with him

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dandycandyjellybean · 06/08/2007 15:41

Brassic, just a quickie (as twer )will post more later when I've got more time, but couldn't help laughing at your 'WTF booklet' - until I figured out it meant 'Where to Find' I found myself idly wondering if AA use the same acronym list as Mumsnet!!!???? Am thinking of starting my own WTF booklet, and making a list of all the plonkers I come accross in life as a reminder to avoid in future! Sorry, probably not remotely funny to anyone else, but it tickled me! Bum my smileys aren't working - and me on a brand new computer too!! Shocking.

dandycandyjellybean · 06/08/2007 15:42

Apparently my smileys are working, just not in preview mode. (shuffling off to get coat in order to prevent further twat-nosity).

BrassicMonkey · 06/08/2007 16:11

I can't believe that I didn't even think of that when I typed it. I could fill a 'What the Fuck' booklet too cubby

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souvenir · 06/08/2007 16:31

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Dinosaur · 06/08/2007 16:38

I would certainly say yes to questions 1 to 3, but I reckon so would about 90% of the adults I know...

souvenir · 06/08/2007 16:43

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Scanner · 06/08/2007 16:49

Hi folks, wonder if you can help. My dh has been seeing an alcohol therapist/advisor via our gp and after a period where he tried to cut down he has come to the realisation that he has to stop. So far he's not had a drink for 5 days and I'm very proud of him.

He was hoping to find a support forum on the net and spent a bit of time searching, but couldn't find anything. I wonder if any of you know of one.

Many thanks

Dinosaur · 06/08/2007 16:50

Currently, not enough to be either worried or guilty.

But certainly on past levels of drinking I would have ticked both boxes.

souvenir · 06/08/2007 17:01

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Dinosaur · 06/08/2007 17:03

souvenir, when I drank heavily I was a completely different kind of drinker to you - I could and did have non-drinking days quite easily, rarely drank alone, never drank in the morning. But was a classic binge drinker, would go to the pub "for a couple" and in fact stay out drinking until every last pub and shebeen in North London had packed up.

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