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No more thimerosil

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hoxtonchick · 07/08/2004 10:54

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shrub · 07/08/2004 11:06

thanks hoxtonchick - what happens in the meantime - are they still going to be giving the mercury vaccines until they are ready to phase the new ones in? my surgery won't let me have the infanrix for my ds2 even though my ds1 has access to it for his pre-school booster. they said that the mercury free vaccines weren't suitable for babies??????

WideWebWitch · 07/08/2004 11:10

Wow, that's good and about bloody time too. Shrub, demand it - there are various threads about it and my dd (8mos) had Infanrix for hers.

shrub · 07/08/2004 11:11

they also kept insisting there is GOOD mercury and BAD mercury i have been asking for infanrix for the past year for my ds2, the last request was only 4 days ago. now the nhs has taken this study seriously they may change their minds.....

shrub · 07/08/2004 11:15

wickedwaterwitch - yes i have seen the threads, i had been presenting them with the research as back up and they said because the infanrix hadn't been tested for babies i could sue them if anything went wrong. they just kept saying it was specifically made for older children.

WideWebWitch · 07/08/2004 11:18

It's so insulting isn't it Shrub? Stick to your guns, you're doing the right thing, good luck with it.

Jimjams · 07/08/2004 11:21

So what happens to those of us with children who may well have already been damaged by the thimerosil? Would be nice to think that they would look further into the link just in case theres some sort of chelation therapy that could help. Especially if the research they are referring to is the Columbia paper- as that fits ds1 to a tee. They won't though for fears of massive compensation claims (and they would be massive if thousands of children now have no hope of living independently due to thimerosil).

it's good news but it makes me very sad. I don't cry much over ds1 these days, but I am now.

Jimjams · 07/08/2004 11:21

Read to the end it is the Columbia paper.

Heathcliffscathy · 07/08/2004 11:28

god it makes me so so so mad!!!! no apology, no acknowledgement that when they claim vaccines are totally safe they are talking out of their arses (including about this new one).

and it makes me so horribly and totally sad for people like you jimjams although you can't know that it was the jab, the mere possibility must send you absolutely and utterly up the wall with grief and anger...i'm so sorry.

WideWebWitch · 07/08/2004 11:35

I'm sorry too jimjams.

oiseau · 07/08/2004 11:44

I think its absolutely disgusting and what makes me sicker than anything is the way they try and release it quietly on a Saturday in the middle of August hoping that no-one will notice.

I am so so sorry too Jimjams.

Also - 5 vaccines in one go now? at 8 weeks old? how are we supposed to believe that this is safe?

Jimjams · 07/08/2004 11:45

I don't know sophable. However the Columbia paper fits him to a tee. His paternal side is full of autoimmunity and I know the brain receptor they say observed with structural changes (glutamate) is buggered in him as he cannot eat MSG and other foods containing a certain type of glutamate (goes off the planet if he has it).,

It's too late for him and thank god thank god thank god I didn't have ds2 vaccinated (I very nearly did - originally only postponed as he'd been ill) but to spend the next few days listening to some smug bastard from the Dept of H go on about how safe the vaccination programme is is almost more than I can stomach.

They don't give a shit. His first "hit" probably came from me doing what I was told (and swallowing all that social responsibility crap) and now they can't even fund his education or therapy properly. He hasn't had NHS speech therpay since March. Fucking bastards. I take absolutelty no pleasure from being "right" about this. I wish I wasn't. And why was the Columbia paper published in such a small journal- it's an incredibly important paper- but of course no-one will touch anti-vaccination papers now.

Davros · 07/08/2004 11:45

I couldn't believe my ears when I heard this on the radio! WOnderful news but so sad for Jimjams and others Shrub, they are talking nonsense, how come 100s of babies are being allowed to have Infanrix and Hiberix including my own? Pleased they are also ditching live polio vaccine as I was quite at risk, being immuno-suppressed but they weren't very bothered about that. Could you manage to get plastic gloves on every time a young baby needs a nappy change? Better to get DH to do it, ha ha!

Heathcliffscathy · 07/08/2004 11:51

i think we should rename this thread so that more mners will look at it...anyone coming up for the 8 week vaccines should wait imo...

Jimjams · 07/08/2004 11:51

Shrub- your surgery are talking bollocks- they've also used it in the past when they ran out of DTwP. It's licenced for primary vaccinations.

Surely they're already given 5 vax at once. DS1 had DTP, polio and hib at the same time- didn't have men C as it was introduced later. (so won't it be 6 at the same time- or am I miscounting?)

Piffleoffagus · 07/08/2004 12:00

I just chucked this up on another thread, was bit late, while I hope that the DOH and govt takes full bloody effing responsibility for this, they have been like sodding ostriches burying heads in the sand and then with hands over ears yelling nah nah not listening whenever someone questioned the vaccines.
Words cannot express how this makes me feel for people esp Jim Jams who has always known this and now it only goes to prove that it is important to stick to what you believe in.
Also note that Infanrix is available if you put enough pressure on them...
The dogs, I am so angry, not relieved at all, I doubt I will vaccinate my next child at all.

shrub · 07/08/2004 12:05

thanks jimjams. i'm so sorry there is nothing i can say to what you must be going through (and thousands of others)i just want to thank you for highlighting this and give you a big hug and wish i could give you a bloomin big holiday. you must be feeling absolutely steamrollered that they have decided to finally retreat after all this time.

wilbur · 07/08/2004 12:16

This stuff makes my blood boil, and you're quite right, oiseau, about them releasing it in August when many parents are away. Arses. Jimjams - my heart goes out to you. Dr. Halvorsen who is quoted is the GP we have gone to for ds's single MMR jabs and he is a very good guy, very questioning of everything and looking out for his patients. It's a tough job trying to deal with the NHS for this kind of thing, but thank god there are still docs and researchers willing to keep going to sort it out. I'm so grateful to Wakefield for doing that Panorama (the day before ds was sent his MMR letter) and saying to camera that he felt the risk was greatest for children with autoimmune probs in the family which is my ds to a tee, we're riddled with them. I know I am one of the lucky ones to have received the warning in time.

Jimjams · 07/08/2004 12:25

I wonder if the dept of health will nother to explain why the UK is the last country in the western world to get rid of thimerosil in vaccinations. In Aus, NZ and the US (and rest of Europe) it has been being phased out for years. California recently released the first DROP in number of new autism cases which coincided with a decrease in numbers of children receiving thimerosil. I've heard two researchers in the US describe the UK schedule as the worst in the world for thimerosil exposure (if I have time later I will find the link to their radio show- its posted on mumsnet somewhere!).

I think MMR is a problem for a small number of children (recent figures reckon its implicated in about 7% of autism cases) but I've felt for a long time that the big increase was more likely to be down to thimerosil. When MMR was introduced, the vaccination schedule was changed and rather than being given over the course of the first year of life the early vaccines were rushed in at 8, 12 and 16 weeks. Given that it has been shown by the Pfeiffer institute that 99% of autistics have problems dealing with heavy metals its not surprising maybe that this could have large effects.

Angeliz · 07/08/2004 12:37

WOW.
I can't beleive they've finally acknowledged that they could have been wrong about something!!
Although obviously they aren't going to say that to the people who alreaddy beleived it.
Jimjams, i can't even think what to say to you but sorry for your pain at the moment+++++
There is an old factory up North somewhere and it was on the news last night that old vials of mercury have been found by kids who are deliberately smashing them and have some hidden. They showed you police and a whole clean up operation and i was saying to dp, yet it's o.k to inject it into tiny babies!!!!!

I am worried now about the 5 in 1 as it seems a rushed job and God knows what we'll be hearing in a few years.

Twiglett · 07/08/2004 12:51

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MummyToSteven · 07/08/2004 12:57

am livid. was told just how safe mercury vaccines were by my HV at the first set of jabs (3 months ago) - and now this turn around like a weathervane. agree with jimjams - given that they now think mercury is to be avoided interesting that they don't seem to want to backtrack and research effects on children who have already
been vaccinated.

wobblyknicks · 07/08/2004 13:05

THANKYOU hoxtonchick - love you to bits!!! Was just told last wednesday by my gp nurse that there was nothing to fear from the mercury and I'd be better giving dd thimerosil instead of infanrix - and am just preparing for a fight to get infanrix. Going to print that article off and shove it right in her........face!

Thankyou sooo much, probably wouldn't have seen that otherwise and it couldn't have come at a better time!!

Angeliz · 07/08/2004 13:07

The things i can't get my head around is,
:How CAN they admit they beleive there 'may' be a link without loooking at the kids of the parents who've beleived it for years??
:what are they going to do for babies who are due now?
:Have they been planning this for months and still immunising babies in the meantime??
:If they haven't has this 5 in 1 vaccine just been thought of and our babies are going to be the actual trial for it???

I have no faith at all, it's VERY depressing!

Twiglett · 07/08/2004 13:51

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aloha · 07/08/2004 15:15

I must have missed a bit in this story - you know, the bit where the department of health issued an apology. What a lot of crap we are fed about vaccination. Only recently the Today programme discovered that the MOD had demanded the destruction of research showing that the multiple injections given during the Gulf War worked in tandem to damage the nervous system of healthy grown adults - yet we are still be told that multiple vaccinations aren't dangerous. We are lied to and lied to.